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So me and Clarity had this debate.
We both agreed that the events of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic is both canon and history in My Little Pony: A New Generations.

Thing is, at one point, all of Equestria was populated with ponies up until Opaline caused a division amongst the pony-kind that divided them once again into pony tribes. Now most of Equestria appears to be nothing but countryside save for three settlements for each pony kind. How can Equestria once be populated by hundreds of millions of ponies is now reduce to a few thousands in specific areas?

Let's say, hypothetically, that Equestria was the size of America which has the rough population of 332,403,650 and if it was divided into four. Three for each three kinds of ponies and a fourth for "other" (griffins, changelings etc) then you'd still have 83100912.5 American ponies.

Are you telling a small coastal town had a population of 83100912.5 Earth Ponies? It doesn't look like it. Coastal towns have around one and a half thousand in number of residents and Maritime Bay is believed to be the only home to all Earth Ponies in all of Equestria.

Bridlewood is regarded as a hamlet for the Unicorn population. Because it's in a forest surrounded by trees it's kind of hard to say for sure the exact number of Unicorns there.
Given Zephyr Heights is surrounded by clouds with obscure what appears to be a grand metropolis, I can sorta buy most of the pegasi population living there.
But other that that, the rest of Equestria between these three settlements appear to be mostly countryside.

So way I figure, Opaline must have started rumours and fights which triggered a series of event which caused some sort of near-genocidal catastrophe, leaving just enough few thousand ponies left to settle in their own settlements.

I suggested to Clarity this catastrophe was a racism war between the Earth Ponies, Unicorns and Pegasi that lead to an incredibly large death-toll. But to me it makes sense something of the like had happened because at the start of A New Generation the Earth Ponies don't have a general distrust of other pony kinds, they downright fear them!

Imagine unicorns using new kinds of magic or the pegasi using the weather in creative ways to mass kill other ponies on the field of battle, how terrifying fr an Earth Pony to see lightning strike and kill others or unicorns using spells to manipulate and control others. It's these kind of horrors of war that could be passed down through the descendants of those war ponies that serve as the foundation of feat during Sunny's time.

The war between these three ponies must had been so devastating that if these ponies did not loose their magic soon then they would of wiped each other out entirely. Magic was lost when the 300mil ponies were killed off the a few thousand ponies. I like to believe the surviving ponies returned to the original homelands of their ancestors as told in the Hearthswarming founding story and founded Maritime Bay, Zephyr Heights and Bridlewoods but the horrors of war of what their enemies could do were passed down with details being changed or forgotten which continued the fear of other tribes. All the while the rest of Equestria was abandoned and nature reclaimed it.

At least, that's my theory on how Opaline started a war that nearly drove all ponies to extinction. But I doubt Hasbro would confirm it if I am right.
TL;DR, Fallout: Equestria might as well be the mid-qual between MLP:FiM and MLP:ANG.

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Where are you having these pony talks without me?

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>>36833461
I keep in touch with Clarity over Steam chat now and again.

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>>36833460
Okay, lets put our pony thinky caps on and play. First, I think your estimation of the Equestrian population is too high. There are only about 2 dozen pony settlements listed across the multitude of media for FiM. These locations very in size between the well established Canterlot to the newly founded Applelossa. I've seen other threads attempting to count the pony population and I'm not going to bring them out here because it's all speculation, but I do think an estimation of a quarter billion is too high. That said, I do agree with the point you were making that the population seems to have decreased since FiM.

Make Your Mark Episode 6 does give us some information about the start of the downslide. Apparently during Twilight's reign, an Earth pony was hurt by a Unicorn and this led to mass disagreements. (an interesting note at this point is it is never stated a Unicorn physically or intentionally hurt an Earth pony and the image that accompanies these lines are a cracking heart, perhaps suggesting an emotional discourse.) Twilight striped the population of magic to keep things from getting out of control and placed the magic in three crystals, giving each one to a different tribe. That way, ponies wouldn't have magic until they learned to come together again. Misty offers a second explanation says Twilight took the magic away to keep it from Ovaltine, then sealed the pony lands in a magical bubble to keep Ovaltine from finding the crystals. The bubble part is likely true as it explains why Ovaltine keeps Misty around and Misty would have first hand knowledge of the bubble if she lives outside of it with Ovaltine and needs to cross it every time she sneaks into Maretime Bay. The truth is likely a mix of both stories, with Ovaltine either causing or being one of the involved parties in the discourse. Twilight's message mentioned Ovaltine's attempt to take all magic for herself and it makes more sense for a motivation for what Twilight did than what Sunny offers.

So unfortuately, it looks like your magical pony war was prevented by Twilight Sparkle. To keep such a thing from happening, she striped all ponies of their magic. Unicorns could no longer do horn things and Pegasuseseses couldn't fly or control the weather. They maybe had a physical battle, but neither of our G5 historians made reference to one. Battles in Equestria are typically fought physically anyways, as we can see when Starlight Glimmer causes the war with Sombra in another timeline. You would think it would be part of at least Sunny's story if it occurred, rather than just referencing one event of Unicorn on Earth pony violence.

So what could have contributed to the decline? Maybe Windegos? That's what came in the Hearthswarming tale. I kind of think the magic bubble keeps out magical races though. It explains the absence of Dragons and Griffins and Kirins and all the other fun magic races. Sparky got through because he's an egg. This however has a problem in that Ovaltine in very excited by the possibly of Dragonfire. If she was trapped outside the bubble, and so were the dragons, she could get dragonfire far more easily if she went after the dragons outside, where her powers still work (whatever those powers are). Maybe it's Ovaltine who's actually inside the bubble, not Equestria.

One more piece to the puzzle that doesn't fit yet is Earth Pony magic. Twilight knew it was coming, because she references it in her message, but she also says it's been activated for the first time ever. So Twilight's actions with the crystals therefore either created or prevented Earth Pony magic. It could be a result of the crystals spreading magic to all races, or perhaps it is a natural evolution of magic, which Twilight says is always growing and changing.

Another fun thing to think about is the Cakes. Their family isn't all the same tribal race. Were they split apart by these events? We also know from them that the tribe of a foal doesn't always match the tribe of the parents. So for the first few generations, was the occasional child exiled for not being born the same tribe? There's a fun fanfic for someone to write.

My TL:DR, nope, I don't think there was a big race war because I don't find any supporting facts, but I admit it would be cool. I don't yet know a reason for the decline in population, but I am filing away clues as I find them. Maybe they all went to live with Sunset Shimmer to avoid the magic stealing tyranny of Twilight Sparkle.

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>>36833463
I think what really happened is Robert Cullen and José Ucha cane up with a brand new continuity for G5. Then Hasbro was like "Nah, I don't think this can stand on it's own four hooves. Let it lean on MLP:FiM for cameos and references." which is why it's animated differently, cutie marks work differently and dragons are hatched with wings and so on.

There's so much inconsistencies between MLP:FiM and MLP:ANG it's as if it was decided for Sunny Starscout to be a brony like us near later in development.

Now G5 isn't doing so good and I just want the writers of Make Your Mark to make their bed, lie in it and explain the history between Twilight's Equestria and Sunny's Equestria.

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>>36833464
It'll come, I think. I def expect more Gen 4 stuff moving forward. Probably bring back characters like Discord, Pinkie and Dashie for appearances. We already know time travel is a thing. I'm actually happy there's as much FiM as there is. Early reports said the movie would reference it, then they were stopping completely, but surprise surprise, here's Twilie come Make Your Mark. I'm sure future episodes will explore what happened between her and Ovaline and how Misty got involved. I expect Misty to be the sixth Element of Harmory even, with the Tree of Harmony already getting referenced in MYM.

I don't think Gen 5 will sell toys like Gen 4 used to, so in a season or two they'll start to lean even heavier on what has come before because at the end of the day, Hasbro wants money and I'm not buying those G5 Polly Pocket pony things.

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>>36833465
I'm also hoping it will explain why cutie marks are only on the right-side of the flank and not the left. Maybe it indicates that as of yet ponies are not completely adapted to their magic?

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>>36833466
Or why Sunny is kind of an Alicorn, but not really?

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>>36833464
>I think what really happened is Robert Cullen and José Ucha cane up with a brand new continuity for G5. Then Hasbro was like "Nah, I don't think this can stand on it's own four hooves."

I don't even think they came up with a continuation before Hasbro made clear they want G4 kinda woven into it.

>>36833466
For me the Cutie Marks were just like tattoos. That would have made sense, there's no magic, so they don't get one 'magically'. So out of tradition they tattooed one on their flanks.

But now their cutie marks start glowing in certain situations; and Misty doesn't get one without Opaline's magic? Then where did everpony else's come from? It makes no sense.

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>>36833466
Poking my little white snoot into more things for you. Now, I know the canon of the IDW comics is dubious at best, but the events in there actually suggest there may have been a pony war. Discord (living in Canterlot now) recounts how Ovaltine spread racist ideas through Equestria which drove ponies apart. He also references events “too frightful to describe” before the creation of the unity crystal. Now, even if these comics aren’t canon and new cast haven’t actually met with Discord yet, I can see both story writers having the same backstory to draw from, so what he’s saying might be accurate.

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>>36833470
The events “too frightful to describe” could be a conflict between Twilight Sparkle and the WIndigoes. As in she knew ponies were dividing themselves as tribes again and she knew this will lead to windigoes that will threaten everypony regardless. Despite the lack of harmony in all of Equestria she still carries the friendship of her closest friends to battle them.

But still the way the Maritime Bay Earth Ponies were phobic of other pony kinds, I can't help but feel this derived more from just traditional racism amongst ponies. As in even during Rosa Parks day where most white people were racist in America, they still allowed coloured people into their society even if they were hated. But in A New Generation, one type of pony regarded the other types as bogeymen of sorts.

While I acknowledge my war theory makes no sense. If ponies were once enemies during a civil/race war and use their magic in creative ways to mass murder one another it would make sense those methods of war would be taken into account and passed down as stories through generations.

Like, can you imagine going up against an enemy army of pegasi who can weaponize lightning?
Or an army of unicorns that will probably abandon moral use of magic in favour of dark magic which can be used for possession and viewing ones memories?
The survivors of these wars that witness ponies struck dead by lightning or ponies treated like puppets by unicorns would tell their children about it who will tell their children about it. And these stories could be embellished along the way to make them sound more monstrous as they were known for before the events of A New Generation.

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>>36833460
Today Pipp was on a quest to get 100,000,000 likes on her video. Perhaps that will help with your calculations.

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>>36833555
I wonder how many AI & bot accounts they have in Equestria.


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