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Mondo!peSTIcIDes 36780298[Last 50 Posts]

So this was a really cool hook they left at the end here. I don't know that they'll actually use it, but it gets me wondering. If EqG land over here is actually supposed to be an anti-magic prison and ponies and creatures lose their magic as they cross the threshold, what happens when the humanoids walk through the other way? Do they turn into pegasi and unicorns? Do they gain whatever sort of magic a pony would have?

Perhaps most importantly, what happens to SciTwi and DogeSpike? The way it's set up, it seems like she's about to go investigating a certain school that now has a conspicuously stuck open portal. If her and her dog pass through, what do we get? A unicorn with a mentally handicapped dragon pet? Or a copy of the most powerful magician in Equestria with an unchecked feral beast attached? Does SciTwi have the temperance to not go completely power mad with the sudden surge of magic if that's what she gets? Will she have any idea how to control it, or will she be a magical dangerzone like when Twilight got her cutie mark?

Anonymous 36780300

Pony Twilight only needs to take out the portal's battery (the Sunset journal/Equestria's only text messaging device) and the portal closes.
As long as Pony Twilight is in Humandia, the portal is open.

Unlikeable Pony (element of being banned. again) 36780301

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>>36780298

I would assume that if a human crossed the Threshold, they'd turn into a pony with that pony's magic *So long* as they stay in equestria: Once they traveled back across, they'd lose all their magic.


The only reason the Human six retained the magic was because their magic wasn't "pony" magic, but rather Element of harmony magic, which is drastically stronger and able to break the rules. (and the magic they have actually seems to be less powerful as well than the full on EOH from the pony universe so its probably just a tiny fragment)

The dazzles kept a very slight bit of their magic via their pendants, but were still worfed as well and lost the magic from their pony selves--- I'm betting the pendants were similiar to how trixie had the alicorn amulet to power up her Unicorn magic. So if you'd kicked trixie through with the amulet, she'd have lost her innate magic, but woulds till have the ability to do magic so long as she had the amulet with her (albeit dampened).





Anyways, as for twilight and spike crossing over: I'm betting spike would be very confused and would slowly gain sentience and speech, being incredibly confused over how he now has intelligence, but gradually acclimating to being a thinking being.

I think Human Twilight would become Pony twilight, but due to never practicing her magic being much weaker than Current twilight.

She'd probably be horribly freaked out at her magic and be unable to really control it, running around terrified of her magic, and might have a slight magical meltdown akin to Cutie mark chronicles, but I think that wouldn't be powerful enough to be power mad since it'd be uncontrollable and easily dealt with by celestia or twilight or another powerful unicorn/alicorn.

NostalgiaSchmaltz!jdKt6Dif02 36780312

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>mia faccia quando EQG3 takes place mostly in Equestria

Of course, that will never happen, but a guy can dream.

Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780314

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>>36780312
>Minha Cara Quando Equestria Girls 3 is canned in favor of releasing Celestia & Luna: Dream Team

Aaaah...Dreams are awesome.

Anonymous 36780315

Did she ever figure out who Pepe Silva was?

Mondo!peSTIcIDes 36780331

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>>36780301
>Anyways, as for twilight and spike crossing over: I'm betting spike would be very confused and would slowly gain sentience and speech, being incredibly confused over how he now has intelligence, but gradually acclimating to being a thinking being.

Dragon Spike didn't lose intelligence on the way through, though. So it seems weird that Dog Spike would gain any. Theoretically it should work both ways.

>another powerful unicorn/alicorn.

That's another thing. Would SciTwi be a unicorn or an alicorn?

>>36780312

As entertaining as that movie would be, I don't know if it would count as Equestria Girls if it wasn't about the human girls...

Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780337

>>36780331
>Dragon Spike didn't lose intelligence on the way through, though. So it seems weird that Dog Spike would gain any. Theoretically it should work both ways.
I dunno, considering how Spike was in Season 3, I'd say that he gained intelligence. Who's to say the same can't happen to Dogspike?

Unlikeable Pony (element of being banned. again) 36780341

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>>36780331

Unicorn; Twilight's Alicorn status is from an Independent object, the EOH infusing her.

As such her "default" body for her Human counterpart would be a unicorn since she'd never been infused with any magic.

NostalgiaSchmaltz!jdKt6Dif02 36780343

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>>36780341
But at the same time, EQG seems to say "fuck interdimensional logic", because in the Annual comic, Sunset Shimmer somehow knows that the human 5 are the EoH bearers. Because raisins.

Unlikeable Pony (element of being banned. again) 36780346

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>>36780343

Eh, that's more of a plothole than actual Bad logic IMO.

Marimo!Mrb.TaRPks 36780351

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>>36780341
Plus it'd probably be handy to help differentiate the two.

Actually, here's a thought. What would a human who turned into pony have for their cutie mark? Would they lack one, have a copy of their pony counterpart's, or would they have their own unique one assuming they had already found their special talent in the human world?

Anonymous 36780363

>>36780343
Uh, she knew that in EQG1 too. That's why she spent so much time manipulating them before the movie started.

>>36780351
>ctually, here's a thought. What would a human who turned into pony have for their cutie mark?
Pretty sure ALL of the humans had the equivalent of a cutie mark on their clothing.

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Mondo!peSTIcIDes 36780364

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>>36780363

No, that's what he's talking about. Why would she have known before the movie?

Marimo!Mrb.TaRPks 36780366

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>>36780363
Point. I guess I was just wondering if that means the talent would pass over. Like for some it'd be easy, like Fluttershy or Pinkie's talents. But would human Twilight have the same talent for magic, despite never having magic before?

NostalgiaSchmaltz!jdKt6Dif02 36780368

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>>36780363
>Uh, she knew that in EQG1 too. That's why she spent so much time manipulating them before the movie started.

My point is that the comics show that Sunset Shimmer goes to Monster High World long before the events of the FIM pilot. Before Twilight was even Celestia's student. Yet somehow, she knowingly targets the Human 5 in specific.

Giant plot hole.

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Unlikeable Pony (element of being banned. again) 36780370

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>>36780366

I think so. Unicorn magic is for all intents and purposes a science after all: This is kind of twilight's point in Feeling pinkie keen after all.

As such, I think that Human twilight, once she accepted the Existence of different laws of physics, would adapt to being a Prodigy at Unicorn magic.




There's only a little "True" magic in the show in that its not a scientifically quantifiable thing-- Basically, things like the EOH. (hell, pinkie sense was actually pretty quantifiable as a phenomenon, twilight just refused to accept that it existed, which was rather unscientific of her truth be told)




>>36780368

They could have cleared that up if they'd had Sunset's Magical book be a scrying tool so she could have been spying on equestria with it, but sadly that didn't occur. :(

Geldon 36780384

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>>36780368
That's true. I could think of a couple of possible explanations.

Sunset Shimmer apparently came back at least once to get the crown, so maybe in a previous visit she found out about the mane six.

Maybe she just split them up randomly out of many manipulative actions she performed in order to secure her dominance over the school.

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Geldon 36780385

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>>36780298
Hmm, pony Twilight's cutie mark turned out to represent magic and friendship.

If human Twilight crossed over and got a cutie mark, would her cutie mark turn out to be science related, and if so, is it equivalent to something like friendship?

NostalgiaSchmaltz!jdKt6Dif02 36780386

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>>36780384
>Sunset Shimmer apparently came back at least once to get the crown, so maybe in a previous visit she found out about the main six.

Did she, though? It was never shown or even *implied* that she went back and forth between Monster High World and Equestria. It remains completely unexplained, like a lot of other things in that movie...

And she certainly did not have any way of knowing that Twilight's crown was her EoH, because her EoH turned into the tiara before the portal opened again, so there's literally no way SS could have known. (And then you have the giant contrivance of a highschool-dance-prize crown from another dimension just happening to look exactly like Twilight's tiara. Yay, bad writing!)

As far as the movie and Annual comic explain to us, she went in before the events of the FIM pilot, and did not come back out until after the S3 finale. This makes for a whole bunch of gaping plot holes in the story.

>Maybe she just split them up randomly out of many manipulative actions

Ehhhh, I dunno. The comic made it pretty clear that she was targeting these 5 people in specific.

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Unlikeable Pony (element of being banned. again) 36780399

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>>36780386


I kind of got the impression that the main six were more or less looked up to as the "leaders" of each of their respective cliches in the movie (Rainbow dash was the Alpha of the Athletes, Rarity of the more trendy/fashion type cliques, Fluttershy of granola girl style groups, ect.).

Sunset splitting them up would make sense in that scenario since she'd essentially be getting rid of the "alpha bitch" competition.
Though, the comic actually hurts this, since Everyone pretty much hates the mane six's Guts except for Rarity. Seriously, Its like Ponyville all over again with how Douchey they are to the mane six.

Geldon 36780411

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>>36780386
Technically, if Sunset Shimmer had not returned at least once after S01E02, she would not have known an Element of Harmony could take the form of a crown at all. When the mane six found them, they were inert five rock spheres, and it was a pleasant surprise when they manifest as jewelery.

This is assuming Twilight Sparkle was no slouch at research and The Elements Of Harmony: A Reference Guide was the main book to be found on the topic.

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Anonymous 36780412

Guys, it's simple. Celestia knew that the elements would one day be wielded by six ponies. She knew that Twilight would be the Element of Magic as soon as she saw the shape of her cutie mark. It's not hard to believe that Celestia knew that that one would take the shape of crown and the other five would be necklaces.

Sunset Shimmer just had to steal Celestia's notes before she left in the first place. She also would have known the date of Luna's return, so all she had to do was come back some arbitrary length of time after that.

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NostalgiaSchmaltz!jdKt6Dif02 36780413

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>>36780411
>>36780412
Yeah, there are a plethora of valid headcanon explanations you can come up with, but canon leaves it unexplained.

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Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780414

>>36780413
Also, the prequel comic does not say anywhere that she took Celestia's notes, nor that she had any time to do so. There's also no indication that Celestia actually keeps notes like these around.

And keep in mind, Sunset Shimmer was Celestia's apprentice WAY before Twilight was. Thus, way before she earned her cutie mark.

Geldon 36780415

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>>36780413
When it comes to sealing plot holes, headcanon tends to have the upper hand on the grounds that the plot did, indeed, unfold in such a way as to facilitate an explanation. Granted, your head canon would be as good as mine in this case, as long as the explanation works.

In any case, I don't think it's fair to expect a canonical explanation because the only way that's going to happen is if some story calls for Sunset Shimmer having to explain how she knew she had to keep the mane six from meeting up in Equestria High. Either that, or the developers figure they need to throw us a bone. So headcanon answers, or possibly some Word of God tweet that is more or less their headcanon, is probably all we're going to get.

Also I ended up posting the wrong quote because I'm lazy. I meant to do the "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" one.

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Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780416

>>36780415
Why bother? Why not save your brainpower for something that doesn't suck ass?

NostalgiaSchmaltz!jdKt6Dif02 36780417

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>>36780415
Just because a headcanon solution exists, doesn't mean the writing problem is no longer a problem.

I dunno, I just don't really hold headcanons in a very high regard when it comes to things like this. Yes, there are lots of valid headcanons, but that's just what they are: headcanon. Not canon.

Unlikeable Pony (element of being banned. again) 36780418

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>>36780412
>It's not hard to believe that Celestia knew that that one would take the shape of crown and the other five would be necklaces.


actually, I think it very much seems like something she'd not really have any clue about.

The elements had been used twice up to that point, and there was no indication in any way that they would change shape when used: Celestia and luna had utilized them without any shapeshifting after all.
Not to mention that they had been used without being Tied to a specific pony as "Theirs" since Celestia had used them all and they didn't seem to be worn or utilized specifically by the two sisters before.



as such, it seems highly illogical for anyone to have guessed that they would turn into jewelry, let alone that specific array of jewelry, from the information at hand.

Geldon 36780420

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>>36780416
Because procrastination, silly!

>>36780417
I don't want to encourage you to revere headcanon, either, because it's not something you want to go balls deep in.

On one hand, headcanon is fun and resolves a bit of cognitive dissonance about why this wholly imaginary world doesn't always make sense in terms of realism, which facilitates immersion.

On the other hand, if I start insisting headcanon is canon (which makes it better than anyone else's headcanon) then I'm exhibiting a symptom of fan dumb.

Anonymous 36780421

>>36780414
>And keep in mind, Sunset Shimmer was Celestia's apprentice WAY before Twilight was. Thus, way before she earned her cutie mark.
I just mean, Celestia must have had some idea of what to expect. She had 1000 years to prepare for Luna's return. She probably figured out what the Chosen One's cutie mark would look like long before Twilight was born.

>>36780417
>Just because a headcanon solution exists, doesn't mean the writing problem is no longer a problem.
There's still a difference between things being left out and things contradicting each other. The show's so full of things being left out, which require headcanon to fill in the gaps, it's second nature to me by now.

It's perfectly fine to wonder, "Wait, how the hell did Sunset know what to look for when she came back to steal the Element of Magic," but there's nothing in canon that proves she couldn't have. Then you have things like, "Why would the princesses think it matters that Tirek doesn't know there's a fourth alicorn, when they already know that Discord is working with him?"

The latter is definitely a "writing problem"; my opinion is that the former is not.

NostalgiaSchmaltz!jdKt6Dif02 36780425

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>>36780421
>but there's nothing in canon that proves she couldn't have

As far as canon shows however, she entered Monster High World before the FIM pilot, and didn't come back until after S3 ended. It is never shown, said, or even implied that she ever came back again before S3 ended. It was left completely unexplained.

Therefor, going by just canon, I have to assume that Sunset Shimmer never came back to Equestria until after S3 ended, because nothing is ever shown, said or implied otherwise.

Yes, you can *headcanon* that she came back, but actual Canon never showed, said, or implied her doing anything of the sort.

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Unlikeable Pony (element of being banned. again) 36780426

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>>36780421

secretly, Celestia only accepted students to her university that had a Name that was some derivative of "Twilight sparkle" or the like.

Trixie was booted out when it was discovered that her name of "Evening glimmer" was faked to get acceptance.

Anonymous 36780428

>>36780425
Well no...that's why I headcanoned that she knew all about it before she left in the first place, i.e. before Celestia even knew who Twilight was.

Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780431

>>36780421
>She probably figured out what the Chosen One's cutie mark would look like long before Twilight was born.
But not what Twilight herself would look like. It's still a plot-hole.

>>36780428
That still doesn't explain how she knew Twilight's crown was an Element, how it would help her accomplish her desires, how she knew where the mirror was, or how she knew Twilight would be next to her.

And that's not even getting in the other plotholes that the movie has.

...I hate Equestria Girls so much...

Unlikeable Pony (element of being banned. again) 36780432

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>>36780426

Goddamnit, that is not my image website!

NostalgiaSchmaltz!jdKt6Dif02 36780433

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>>36780428
Egh.

Point is, yes, there are countless headcanons that could explain this gaping plot hole. But that's just what they are: Headcanon. Non-canon explanations for things that the show doesn't explain. The writing problem is still objectively a writing problem.

Now can we stop discussing My Little Monster High and start discussing something less brain-melting, like...Bobobo?

Unlikeable Pony (element of being banned. again) 36780435

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>>36780431

A question 441, which did you dislike more, EQG 1 or RR?


I ask since, while I enjoyed RR I have to admit that celestia was like a billion times worse in RR than EQG.

Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780437

>>36780435
EQG 1 by default. It ruined any potential that Sunset Shimmer had, on top of being absolutely horrible in nearly every other regard.

I didn't watch RR, nor plan watching RR. And with any luck, any future movies or series of this stupid fucking spin-off that nobody fucking asked for. I know it's going to be shit, and it has no Celestia in it, so it's entirely pointless.

And I literally do not care even in the slightest about Principal Celestia. At all. I care about her less than Flash Sentry.

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NostalgiaSchmaltz!jdKt6Dif02 36780438

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>>36780435
441 doesn't give a shit about "principal celestia".

Anonymous 36780443

>>36780433
>Point is, yes, there are countless headcanons that could explain this gaping plot hole. But that's just what they are: Headcanon. Non-canon explanations for things that the show doesn't explain. The writing problem is still objectively a writing problem.

I should have made this more clear earlier:
When I said, "Headcanon like this is second nature to me", I really meant that this Sunset Shimmer headcanon that I'm telling you about right now is simply an extension of the same headcanons I've been keeping since day one. As in, "How did Celestia know that telling Twilight "go 2 horseburg and maek frends lol" and then doing literally nothing else would solve the Nightmare Moon problem?"

If you're going to poke these holes in the setup to EqG, you should be poking the same holes in most of the rest of the show as well. Honestly, plot holes are the least of EqG's problems, and are not the reason that the actual main events of the movie are not compelling at all.

Unlikeable Pony (element of being banned. again) 36780444

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>>36780437


ah come on man, you should :)

I think it was decently good, and you and I normally have a similiar reaction to things.



I do think it'd have been nice if twilight had given the book back to celestia at the end though with Sunset apologizing to Celestia over the book and Celestia reassuming tutoring her though. that would have been nice.

Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780449

>>36780444
No. I am not wasting one more second of my life on this shitty side-series. I have literally no fucking reason to care about ANY of the characters because they're just carbon copies of the characters that I do like. If they all died, it would literally do nothing for me. I don't want to waste my time on shitty stupid smelly fucking humans, I want to watch the ponies, not this corporate piece of fucking cockshit.

From what I've heard, it already has a lot of shit that drives me up the wall, and although I head that the finale is awesome, It just makes me upset, because it's not on something good.

Fuck. Equestria. Girls. I hate this stupid fucking side-series, it's such a huge waste of fucking time and money and effort, I wish it didn't exist.

Anonymous 36780451

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>>36780449
>Fuck. Equestria. Girls.
THAT'S THE SPIRIT!

Anonymous 36780454

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>>36780451
mikie pls go

Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780456

>>36780451
WHY DOES IT EXIST? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY NOT MAKE SOMETHING ORIGINAL AND FUN? WHY DO WE HAVE TO WASTE TIME AND RESOURCES ON A SHITTY CORPORATE PANDERING YEARLY RELEASE THAT DOES NOTHING BUT ERODE AT MY WILL TO LIVE AND DELAY THE NEXT SEASON? WE COULD HAVE HAD A CELESTIA AND LUNA MOVIE FOR CHRISSAKE!

Fuck, I'd have preferred a movie where Applejack does her laundry, ANYTHING but this.

36780457

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Anonymous 36780459

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Unlikeable Pony (element of being banned. again) 36780460

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>>36780451
>>36780457

Statuatory rape sentences are great amirite

>>36780456

Come on now 441, you're starting to remind me of flutters meltdowns XD

Or my meltdowns for that matter ;p

Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780466

>>36780460
This ain't a Fluttershutter meltdown motherfucker, this is a 441 Meltdown. Much more frequent, and if it was done in a physical space, I'd probably have gotten in a fistfight with somebody already.

My hatred for Equestria Girls knows no bounds. I hate wastes of time.

NostalgiaSchmaltz!jdKt6Dif02 36780468

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>>36780443
>If you're going to poke these holes in the setup to EqG, you should be poking the same holes in most of the rest of the show as well.

Where did I ever say that I don't point out plot holes in FIM?

EQG's main storyline relies on a gigantic plot hole. Of course I'm going to point that out.

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Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780473

>>36780468
If I'm noticing a thousand plot holes, the movie failed. A good movie or episode can make me ignore the plot holes.

Unlikeable Pony (element of being banned. again) 36780480

NostalgiaSchmaltz!jdKt6Dif02 36780482

Geldon 36780485

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>>36780468
>>36780473
In a way, a plot hole is the another form of headcanon. Instead of imagining ways in which the plot did work and doesn't explain, you're imagining ways in which the plot did not work because the show doesn't explain it. Canonically, the plot worked, so the plot hole is headcanon.

Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780488

>>36780485
...That is the dumbest attempt at covering the movie's ass I have ever seem.

There is a question about the basic logistics of a plot point, it has no visible answer, it's a plot hole, period.

Anonymous 36780490

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Geldon 36780495

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>>36780488
I was expecting "That's the stupidest thing I ever heard" as the knee-jerk reaction to the assertion that plot holes are another kind of headcanon, but I think it works reasonably well if you think it through.

I think the reason why I hold this perspective is because I've written things, and if you've ever done that then you realize the number of possibilities in fiction are nigh limitless. That being the case, I think finding plot holes is as easy as setting the aperture you're willing to nitpick the work. No creative work of significant detail is bulletproof and, when that's the case, what value is a plot hole really?

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NostalgiaSchmaltz!jdKt6Dif02 36780496

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Mondo!peSTIcIDes 36780498

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>>36780420

I really like exploring headcanon. I mean, that's kinda what this whole thread is, really. But yeah, never start insisting that your headcanon is correct, that's crossing some boundaries.

>>36780425
>Yes, you can *headcanon* that she came back, but actual Canon never showed, said, or implied her doing anything of the sort.

And this is a good instance where headcanon doesn't quite cut it. Making up explanations to fill in what are essentially plot holes isn't really the best idea.

Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780502

>>36780495
>No creative work of significant detail is bulletproof and, when that's the case, what value is a plot hole really?
Yes, every piece of fiction has plot holes, that is a fact.

The problem is when the story starts to crumble underneath the amount of unexplained plot points and characterization.

Geldon 36780507

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>>36780502
True dat, but I don't think EqG is an example, because it's pretty easy to think of any number of ways Sunset Shimmer could have realized she needed to put the hooman mane five on bad terms, up to an including not knowing she needed to do it at all but had a campaign of preventing the entire school from being able to stand up to her.

I mean, come on, this is Equestria Girls I'm talking about here. You really think I care about this spinoff enough to want to white knight it?

Mondo!peSTIcIDes 36780509

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>>36780468
>>36780473

And in terms of EqG, I didn't really notice the plot holes until people pointed them out later. That's why I consider it a good movie. I can watch it and enjoy it, and then there's all this crazy dumb shit that doesn't make any sense, but it's kinda whatever for me. Just a personal preference thing, really.

Anyway, to rerail a little bit...

>>36780385

Cutie marks are another thing that I'm kinda curious about. Take EqG Dash, for instance. Is she still really athletic? Yes. But she's more into team sports and less into racing, and likely knows absolutely nothing about weather patrol. Sure, a rainbow colored lightning bolt is pretty cool and easy to apply to things, but despite being similar enough to be considered the same person, their actual talents don't line up at all...

Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780516

>>36780507
>because it's pretty easy to think of any number of ways Sunset Shimmer could have realized she needed to put the hooman mane five on bad terms
That is the least his movie's problems. And it's already sort of explained in the movie. And it's dumb for other reasons.

>the entire school from being able to stand up to her.
Y'now something that I really liked about LPS? The bully girls? THEY WERE TREATED LIKE IDIOTS IN SCHOOL, NOT AS THIS UNSTOPPABLE FORCE THAT NOBODY DARE DEFY.

I MEAN, FOR FUCK SAKE, HER HENCHMEN WERE SNIPS AND SNAILS! SNIPS! AND FUCKING! SNAILS! HOW CAN ANYBODY, IN OR OUT OF UNIVERSE, TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY AFTER THAT?

>>36780509
I noticed them as I was watching it.

Unlikeable Pony (element of being banned. again) 36780517

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>>36780509

And this is what I keep saying about why EQG dash is not as good as MLP dash...

Geldon 36780523

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>>36780509
I always figured Rainbow Dash's cutie mark was supposed to have something to do with how fast she was. Because, you know, "fast as lightning?" Except she's Rainbow Dash so it's rainbow colored lightning okay fine this is cartoon logic at best

>>36780516
I figured being an accomplished magical unicorn from Equestria probably had something to do with her ability to sway those plebs in Equestria High even though technically magic is few and far between in equestia high world okay yeah this is cartoon logic at best

>>36780517
You wouldn't have to try that hard to convince us. I agree: EqG Rainbow Dash is basically MLP:FIM Rainbow Dash if you take away all her redeeming features except for being an athlete.

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Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780525

>>36780523
Yeah, being a complete social shut-in with your head so far up your own ass that you eat your food again before it gets digested whose lifelong skills have been rendered completely and utterly irrelevant must be really helpful in making a bunch of high-schoolers afraid of you when you have the build of a toothpick in the Great Depression.

Unlikeable Pony (element of being banned. again) 36780527

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>>36780516
>I MEAN, FOR FUCK SAKE, HER HENCHMEN WERE SNIPS AND SNAILS! SNIPS! AND FUCKING! SNAILS! HOW CAN ANYBODY, IN OR OUT OF UNIVERSE, TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY AFTER THAT?


Yeah, agreed there.
Honestly, Sunset wasn't really meant to be a villain, she's MUCH better as a good pone.

You know what else is kind of strange? Everybody hates sunset's guts, yet they totally seem to give snips and snails a free pass in the Human universe: You'd think they'd all hate those two twats just as much given all the shit they did.


I like the "minion" characters from this movie better: they're not super smart and funny cause of it, but they're effective at what they do and a vital part of the triumvirate.

Geldon 36780534

>>36780525
I was thinking that, while Sunset Shimmer did not have her full Equestrian power level, she might have retained just enough to wrap mundane plebs around her little finger.

Her social success was another plot hole that becomes headcanon if you assume she was able to dominate the school as effectively as she did without having some sort of trick up her sleeves.

Marimo!Mrb.TaRPks 36780539

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>>36780534
Applejack implied that she basically befriended a lot of people only to stab them in the back later on. Presumably, she was able to win a lot of people over, and when she got enough power to be where she wanted to be, she was able to drop the facade and dominate the school through force and fear.

Anonymous 36780540

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>>36780485
Woah............

dude.................................

Unlikeable Pony (element of being banned. again) 36780541

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>>36780539

That still doesn't really make sense; a school isn't like some sort of government position where you get into office and seize power.

You start treating people like assholes and then they all just abadonon you.

Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780542

>>36780541
Oh Unlikeable, you just don't understand how High-Schools work despise the fact that you went to one.

Anonymous 36780543

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>>36780541
This isn't a real high-school we're talking about, remember? This is the archetypal TV Show High School. Where everyone is categorized, and the jocks and rich girls have more power than the faculty.

It's nothing at all like a real high school. Maybe things were like that in the past and the cartoon world is just stuck in the 80's, but as someone who's just over a year out of high school, everything has changed.

Except band geeks. They're...they're still band geeks, pretty much.

!dmE/Zk0X6M 36780561

>>36780541

You mean like how Twilight Sparkle beat Sunset Shimmer by running on a platform of "I'm not Sunset Shimmer"?

Everyone hated Sunset, but very few of them had realized that everyone else hated Sunset as much as they did. Once that happened there was no going back, and Sunset was finished.

Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780562

>>36780561
>but very few of them had realized that everyone else hated Sunset as much as they did.
HOW. She's a feminine attendee, everybody hates her, that's how it works.

Did I go to a school of gifted teenagers, or are high-schoolers in America really that fucking dense?

!dmE/Zk0X6M 36780567

>>36780562
>>36780562

The school was split into cliques, and none of the cliques talked to each other. Even if the people you knew hated Sunset, you still had the impression that all the other groups still liked her.

And Sunset was genuinely popular at one point. She made an effort to ingratiate herself with everyone, then began playing manipulative tricks. This caught up with her, but not immediately. By the time Twilight had arrived, her power was held up solely by the fact that people still believed in it.

Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780568

>>36780567
That's not how it works, people are united by a common enemy. Always.

It would have been more plausible if only Sunset Shimmer gave even half of a fuck about being Belle of the Ball.

!dmE/Zk0X6M 36780569

>>36780568

I'm afraid that is how it works. People have to believe they can win before they will fight.

Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780570

>>36780569
Just look at the bitch, she's got no class, no style, no mass. I could take on her and win.

And If I can take on her, so can anybody else at the school.

!dmE/Zk0X6M 36780571

>>36780570

How would you "take her on?" Just walk up to her and punch her in the face?

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36780572

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>>36780567
My headcanon is thus.

Sunset Shimmer was naturally popular. Intelligent, good looking, aloft in the way that makes her seem mysterious and attractive even when you are brushed off by her. This lead her to be elected the Princess of the next Formal.

At that moment, she was genually happy (as seen by the photograph), but then she realised what she had gotten what she had wanted back in Equestria. She was a PRINCESS! Even if it lacked the Alicorniation she wanted aswell, it was enough to fill the void within her.

So when others started to grow in popularity and as threats to her crown, she turned to darker and darker means. Eventually this corrupted her, twisted her way of thinking to drive her to create cliques and destroy friendships to keep from losing the feeling of happiness within her.

That might have lasted to the end of her school life if Celestia had bothered not to continue writing messages to Sunset Shimmer. And maybe if she had bothered not to mention that Twilight had ascended to become an Alicorn AND a Princess, two things that Sunset was denied. That was the final push that put her on the same path as Nightmare Moon.

Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780573

>>36780571
Yes.

I fear nobody that I can beat in a fistfight.

!dmE/Zk0X6M 36780574

>>36780573

You would be expelled, and Sunset would still rule the school.

Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780575

>>36780574
Yes, but she would rule with a broken jaw. And I count that as a victory.

And Y'now what, she deserves to rule the school, if these fucktards cannot put together that everybody in school hates her, they deserve to be turned into zombies.

36780576

>>36780575
How would they put that together?

Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780577

>>36780576
...SERIOUSLY?

NONE OF YOU MOTHERFUCKERS WOULD BE ABLE TO PUT THAT ONE TOGETHER?

CLIQUES AREN'T THAT FUCKING TIGHTLY BOUND, THEY'RE SOCIAL GROUPS, NOT FUCKING AFRICAN TRIBES, AT SOME POINT, SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TALKED TO SOMEBODY ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY HATED SUNSET AND THAT WOULD BE IT. HATRED FOR A COMMON ENEMY IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DRAWS MANKIND TOGETHER, THIS ISN'T COMPLICATED!

My opinion of mankind is falling so low right now...

36780578

>>36780577
You aren't that familiar with politics, are you?

Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780579

Politicians are only allowed to walk around free because they have people with guns circulating around them.

!dmE/Zk0X6M 36780580

>>36780577

Here's a wikipedia link to bring down your opinion of mankind further.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion_of_responsibility

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Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780581

>>36780580
IT'S NOT A DIFFUSION OF RESPONSIBILITY SHIT. EVERYBODY HATES SUNSET SHIMMER, THEY WON'T VOTE FOR HER. IT'S THAT FUCKING SIMPLE.

36780582

>>36780581
You seem to have lost the ability to understand simple concepts.

Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780589

>>36780582
OR MAYBE EVERYBODY IS A FUCKING PUSSY.

Mondo!peSTIcIDes 36780608

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>>36780581

Wasn't she blackmailing most of the school? And also making sure other people wouldn't run in the first place? I think Twilight was literally the only other contestant because she waltzed in from another dimension and signed up.

Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780609

>>36780608
You know what, I don't even give a fuck anymore, I don't want to talk about this movie anymore, it's just sapping my will to live at this point. And I don't have a lot of it to begin with.

36780610

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Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780612

>>36780610
...Sometimes I wish I had the guts to kill myself.

36780614

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>>36780612
Ok, seriously, if that is a joke, it is in poor taste. If you are serious then you need help.

Anyone who gets this worked up about MLP and EqG needs help.

Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780617

>>36780614
>Anyone who gets this worked up about MLP and EqG needs help.
And that's exactly the point.

What the fuck am I doing with my life?

Mondo!peSTIcIDes 36780618

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>>36780617

Well that's not really something the rest of us can answer, but it's probably worth some introspection.

Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780620

>>36780618
Oh why bother, I'll just come to the conclusion that I am the biggest waste of skin on the planet who does nothing but waste valuable resources that could have gone to better, less worthless people and hate myself for the rest of the day. Then I'll wake up the next morning and 'll go through the exact same cycle.

36780622

>>36780620
Someone please get this person some help.

Geldon 36780649

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>>36780622
Tricky business. If memory recollects, 441 is in Brazil or something, I'm not sure they have very good health care over there.

I'm no shrink, but it seems to me that his trigger to start devaluing himself goes off when he feels backed into a corner about his convictions. It's a bit of a coping mechanism, because it's easier to call yourself a piece of shit than it is to acknowledge you need to change your habits. It's sort of a weird part of human nature that so many people would rather die than change, it's evolved into us from an age when survival was so difficult that changing how you survived up until now was pretty likely to get you eaten or starve to death from the increased energy required in changing habits.

The trouble with that coping mechanism is, sooner or later, you come to believe the lie. Yes, it is definitely a lie, as any statement that is so counter-intuitive to one's self-image runs parallel to truth found in more beneficial behaviors. If you think being a human being is such a waste of skin, try a few generations reincarnated as a tapeworm.

Anyway, as pertains to Sunset Shimmer dominating the cliques in Equestria Girls, the how of it is of secondary concern. She had effectively conquered Equestria High as a villain when Twilight made her visit, and this allowed Twilight to be the hero come to save the dark land, so to speak. You could say it's impossible Sunset Shimmer could have done that, seeing how she was a unicorn in a strange land, but why would you? It's plenty possible, I could think of a half-dozen ways off the top of my head.

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36780651

>>36780649
>It's plenty possible, I could think of a half-dozen ways off the top of my head.

Feel free to.

Geldon 36780655

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>>36780651
1. Just like how the Sirens in EQG2 had a bit of magic, even without a good link to Equestria, so also did Sunset Shimmer, and she used it in her manipulative bids against the hapless student body.

2. Being a unicorn from the magical land of Equestria translates to a great deal of charisma on the other side of the mirror. Her arrival was like Legolas coming to the school. What would you be able to do to stop Legolas from taking over the school? He's fucking Legolas.

3. Being a personal protege of Princess Celestia gave her access to materials needed to pull off the kind of political power plays needed to play the cliques against each other and expand her influence in the high school.

4. The school could have already had a rather weak link between the student body, and she barely had to lift a hand to domineer them.

5. We don't really know how pony ages compare to human ages. For all we know, Sunset Shimmer could be going around with a body of a teenager but a mind of someone in her 40s.

6. Technically speaking, Sunset Shimmer is a genius. You don't end up a personal protege of Princess Celestia just for having a horn.

7. Sexual favors Any combination of the above.

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Mondo!peSTIcIDes 36780671

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>>36780655
>7. Sexual favors

You crossed it off, but I'd like to point out that she specifically stated that she was only in a relationship with Flash Sentry to manipulate him.

Geldon 36780678

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>>36780671
True, but unless Flash was some kind of mega alpha of the entire school, opening her legs to him probably would not open the entire school to her whims.

Which means the "sexual favors" path would entail being a lot busier than just bagging Flash Sentry.

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36780679

>>36780678
Not impossible that Flash Sentry is something akin to an alpha male.

Mondo!peSTIcIDes 36780680

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>>36780678
>>36780679

Yeah, I would definitely call him the alpha male. He's the big macho guy with a heart of gold and a guitar. Every girl in the school probably wants him.

Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780682

>>36780649
>If you think being a human being is such a waste of skin, try a few generations reincarnated as a tapeworm.
I don't think being human is being a waste of skin, I think being me is a waste of skin.

That's exactly the thing, humans are capable of so much, they hold nearly limitless potential for both creation and destruction inside themselves. And here am I, squandering all that potential, taking resources from people who deserve it more, and basically being useless to everybody. I'm not even likeable, I still don't get how I wasn't banned from this site already, considering how big of an asshole I am. I kinda wish I was a tapeworm, actually. Maybe then I wouldn't be such a colossal disappointment to everybody involved.

But fuck it, ignore me, I already derailed the thread enough with my bullshit.

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36780683

>>36780682
Seek. Professional. Help.

First off, when people say that humans have limitless potental, they mean the race as a whole. Individual humans are not limitless. They have limits.

Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780685

>>36780683
No. Shrinks are for people who have real issues.

36780686

>>36780685
You have real issues!

Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780687

>>36780686
War vets have issues, teenagers who attempted to kill themselves have issues, molested children have issues, serial killers have issues, what I have is a shitty personality.

36780688

>>36780687
It is real, thus it is a real issue.

Seek. Professional. Help!

Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780689

>>36780688
No. That is final. The only reason why I am even remotely open with you guys over these issues is because I don't have to look at you in the face every day. If this problem eats me from the inside out, It'll be nothing more than what I deserve.

36780690

>>36780689
Then by God, leave us alone! If you want to wallow in self pity, then do it self where, please!

Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780691

>>36780690
Filter and report, that's all I've got to say.

36780692

>>36780691
Filter what?!

God good. Ok, before N ruioned things by demanding we all pay attention to his self pity and self loathing. Where were we?

Alright, the original post was talking about a senario where EqGTwilight meets FiMTwilight. The thing is that we don't know what might happen! Maybe when FiMSunset meet EqGSunset, they merged or something, thus explaining where the other went. We have to wait for the movie or TV series to see what her character is like anyway.

Nº 441 !fOINzMA0KU 36780693

>>36780692
I DIDN'T DEMAND FUCKING SHIT, IT'S YOU ASSHOLES WHO KEEP PAYING ATTENTION TO ME.

(USER WAS BANNED AS PER THEIR REQUEST)

DemonioBlanco 36780699

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>>36780693
now he is in a better place.
with the better princess

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>>36780693
Aw, I'll miss 441. But I know this is a board that's a tad gun shy about bronies who tried using ponies as a replacement for anti-depressants, with predictable results. In such an environment, stating you're feeling suicidal when you get backed into a corner about Celestia or Equestria Girls is bound to be taken seriously enough to be prevented from getting anywhere near those corners. Come on back when you've done derailed that negative self-talk habit [www.psychologytoday.com] , y'hear?

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EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 36780713

>>36780693
If I was banned, or permabanned, or whatever the case may be here, being someone who's been here for almost 3 years now, I'd hope to get at least a sizable reaction, so I guess I can throw in my 2 cents here, and say that the board is lessened without 441, and I hope he comes back soon. The same goes for anyone ban hammered right now.

Unlikeable Pony (element of being banned. again) 36780715

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>>36780713

well it was requested, so i think he's just taking some time to clear his head and all.

He'll hopefully be back for Season 5.

DemonioBlanco 36780858

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaxEpTsPtKU
Oh yea, but Will Equestria Girl fight against Cthulhu?
>1:55

Unlikeable Pony (element of being banned. again) 36780863

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>>36780858

3 minutes of my life have just been dragged out back and violated by that video.

DemonioBlanco 36780865

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAfcrqw_OTU
>>36780863

Because you saw part 2 of the complete arc, so it was completly out of context and even then the complete arc is like 5 or 6 episodes

so sure if you watch the complete episode you will not be raped
no, of course im lying, you will be raped by the video really hard"

36780892

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>>36780865
I know that you told me that you dislike Monster High and a lot of the other sub-standard girl shows you link in videos, but I have to say that you link their videos so often that I am not sure you are being honest.

If that's what you like, that's fine, "to each his own" (suum cuique pulchrum est). It's just that this board is so specific to fans of MLP:FIM that it does not increase the likelihood you will find others of like mind.

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DemonioBlanco 36780901

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>>36780892
i have said that i know it is bad, i really hasnt said i "dislike" it.
but i see some atributes on MH which capture my attention.

if you think it suck, you are right, this clips are really bad.

im not waiting aproval, specially from /pony/, i just throw it because why not.
specially because is related to EG. and it comes to my mind in a blast.

Last edited at Tue, Oct 7th, 2014 22:14

Unlikeable Pony (element of being banned. again) 36780902

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>>36780892
>>36780901


To my knowledge Demonio actually really likes monster high. He just admits that he understands why others don't like it.

>>36780865


I feel like a real hypocrite hating on Monster high just for the premise, as, being a huge fan of MLP, I should have an open mind.

But those characters actions and voices in the videos I've seen are just utterly horrible, no matter how much I try to watch it with an open mind to enjoy it; they're too absurdly over the top and cliche.

The designs of the characters just look terrible and uninspired to me, being horribly garrish. And the animation just looks stilted to me, like they're paper cut outs kind of.




Maybe i'm a horrible hypocrite, but i just can't find myself finding monster high good.

DemonioBlanco 36780903

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM8andjn2CA
>>36780902
nah, you are not an hyppocrite.
the animation isnt good and less great, the voices have that specific tone that highschool girls stuff have, which sound like they are dumb.
and the character are not that deep or interesting but at least they are not interchangeable, which is a big step on this kind of highschool stuff. but they still not for that good. (i mean, ghoulia is my favorite, and i think it is because she cant talk)

Geldon 36780904

>>36780901
>>36780902
I think the difference is that Studio B (or the part of DHX that was formerly Studio B) really knows how to turn out a good show, and having Faust and Renzetti onboard didn't hurt, either! Cartoon A-listers ended up working on MLP:FIM, and it shows.

Most cartoons developed to go with girls toy lines don't have nearly as high profile talent working on them. I'm sure the people working on Monster High did the best they could with what they had, but most of the cartoons are low-budget web features, there have been a few Direct-To-DVD movies and one-shot TV specials, but I am having a hard time finding out of they were made by anyone I ever heard of before. I found one experienced guy [en.wikipedia.org] who worked on one of the episodes of the TV specials, that's pretty much it. Aside from him, they're probably mostly low-paid newbies, it's probable their experience making these shorts will be useful for their work in the industry, but they're just not on the same level as MLP:FIM.

Ironically, the toy lines are the opposite of the shows. Monster High toys are surprisingly creative and well-wrought with lots of points of articulation. MLP:FIM toys are getting a little better as time goes on, but they started off reminding me largely of the same stuff Hasbro was putting out in the 80s. Not that I'm really into buying the toys except as mementos if I'm really enjoying the show.

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DemonioBlanco 36780905

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>>36780903
and in the toy aspect, at least mattel will use a head mold (and even complete body molds) for just 1 unique character, which here you can see one with horns on her head, and she is just a random background character which appear from time to time in the background, think of her like a lyra or bon bon.

while hasbro like to recycle molds alot, her EG line consist of 2 head molds and 2 body type, one with 5 points of articulation, and the delux version with articulation on the elbow and the knee (but with the introduction of the EG CMC, that will add 1 body type and maybe 1 head mold)

and the normal MLP toy line consist of 4 heads and 6 body types on a laps of almost 5 years

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Unlikeable Pony (element of being banned. again) 36780906

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I think a good thing to realize is the different paradigm behind the sales of the two.


Monster high's sales are driven by the Merchandise, and the show is an afterthought to help drive sales.

Equestria girls on the other hand is driven by the show (FIM being a huge factor in the toys, with EQG and RR being there to help get the idea out, but with the pony show being the biggest factor in success), so they can get by with cheap merchandise.


Basically, Monster high has to make good stuff because the show isn't high quality, While hasbro has to make a high quality show because the toys aren't high quality.

From a financial perspective, Hasbro's model is probably the superior one since they're making absurd Profit margins on their ultra cheap toys, just like the original 80s Transformers toys.

Granted, they seem to be trying to improve the EQG toys in quality (the Sunset shimmer and twilight toys from RR are decently high quality), so that may change.

DemonioBlanco 36780908

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nptQ6JR98fc
>>36780904
yea i know.

Even i hate blindly EG because my subconcious dont allow me to like it.

i know at least EG characters dont have that bland "highschool girl" sound on the characters voices.

and probably some day will accept it.... but at the moment, for how much of a cup out was all the sunset shimmer bussiness, and how the entire world is just a "highschool world", it feel so wrong to me all this EG stuff.
and when this staff at Studio B claim how super exited crazy bonners they have.... i think they are just trying to fool me because is part of their job.

>>36780906
>Basically, Monster high has to make good stuff because the show isn't high quality, While hasbro has to make a high quality show because the toys aren't high quality.
i have said that at other point, MH won their fans by his products, while MLP ergo EG won them by the show.
so i get gang banged by the 2.... kind off.... i have some ponies, and i watch the MH details and stuff and get impressed of what they are trying to pull off, thats because im into toys. even i dont get any MH products, the dolls are to big for my liking.

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DemonioBlanco 36780909

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>>36780906
the thing is, they are even more expensive than the MH dolls.
at least i have seen them like that.
the twilight you say, probably have the "delux" articulation. but they are expensier.
even compared to sets with the same amount of accesories....
in some cases.

Here is Delux rainbow dash next to a "kid" body MH doll, with a "teenage" body behind them.

DemonioBlanco 36780910

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>>36780906
and sorry for the MH ultra spam.

take some EG stuff

and
>WOW friking ball joints at the shoulder instead of just a swible. is like they are trying to improve it.

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Marimo!Mrb.TaRPks 36780911

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>>36780906
>paradigm
That's the second time you've used that word in less than 12 hours, and no one normally uses paradigm at all.

Have you been playing Final Fantasy XIII lately?

Oh, and based on dolls, is it maybe possible that Hasbro isn't used to making just plain dolls instead of ponies, robots, or deformed looking babies? Cause I think the closest thing they had to a doll series before EqG was the Blythe dolls that are part of LPS.

DemonioBlanco 36780912

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>>36780911
well, it isnt like they dont know how to do them.

it is probably that they went really cheap at the start so if the plan of making Equestria Girls failed, it wasnt such a big disaster...

yet again... the pony stuff isnt that great or unique or special. they have been using almost the same mold over 4 years.

sure you are getting some bigger and expensier playset while the years keep going, example, at S3 was the ultra robotic twilight godzilla twilight, and at S4 was "princess twilight sparkle's friendship rainbow kingdom playset"

i mean, we know they are not going to invest as much resourses to make toys for girls. compared to the toys for boys.

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Unlikeable Pony (element of being banned. again) 36780913

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>>36780911

Truth be told, that's the first time I've ever been told its strange to use the word paradigm :/

I actually use that word all the time, i'm surprised to hear that its strange. Now that you mention it I don't think i've ever heard anyone else use the word, but i never noticed before. huh o_o

DemonioBlanco 36780914

>>36780913
it is a hard word to use in the right context

Marimo!Mrb.TaRPks 36780915

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>>36780913
>>36780914
I've honestly only ever heard the word and see it be used when talking about FF XIII's battle system.

36780925

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I'm about 20 cents short of having good paradigms.

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Unlikeable Pony (element of being banned. again) 36780929

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I honestly can't figure out why paradigm isn't used by more people :/


I mean, it just means strategy or pattern, which syncs up well with describing a methodolgy or intent behind things, so I can't understand problems using it :(

Like for example, Comparing path of exile and Torchlight, one would say that Torchlight focuses on a more unique Class based Paradigm for its skill system, while Path of exile relies more on a Stats and choices paradigm for skills that sacrifices Individuality for freedom of choice by allowing everyone to use all the skills if they qualify.

Marimo!Mrb.TaRPks 36780931

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>>36780929
It's one of those words that may have a familiar definition, but it's just not used unless you wound up looking it up in a thesaurus.

Plus I think the ending with the silent g might make it look weird and make people question the pronunciation of the word. Like it's supposed to sound something like pair-a-dime but the spelling would probably make people think pair-a-dig-em or something.

DemonioBlanco 36780938

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>>36780904
>I found one experienced guy [en.wikipedia.org]

His past isnt the most amazing of all.
and he has being doing alot of Max Steel stuff in his last years...

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xsnwc0_monster-high-new-ghoul-at-school_shortfilms

>2010Monster High: New Ghoul at SchoolTV Movie—Director, Supervising Producer

he worked on the very first tv movie special thing, and then he return to do hotwheels and max steel stuff.

>he is the only one with a name.

well, it isnt a surprise then why the shorts are like this

DemonioBlanco 36780939

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmlGdlZPJXQ
Maybe if i watch enough of this, i would learn to like EG....

Geldon 36780940

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>>36780938
I have to look into it some more. So far I have not found the names of the people who worked on the web episodes, but imdb.com does seem to give some information about the people who worked on the TV episodes. Surprisingly short cast list, and it seems they've taken character designers and storyboarders from other series and made them into three directors for the TV episodes.

Overall, I think the shorthand is that Mattel just didn't budget as much towards towards the Monster High episodes' production.

>>36780906
>Basically, Monster high has to make good stuff because the show isn't high quality, While hasbro has to make a high quality show because the toys aren't high quality.
Personally, I would probably try to make both the show and the toys high quality. I'm guessing this was not a deliberate omission, so much as a logistics issue.

DemonioBlanco 36780943

>>36780940
well, remember that the rules is to be as cheap as possible, while making the biggest amount of money.

so you put money in the show, or you put money in the toys.
but if you do the 2, you probably are wasting money.


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