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AnonymousCountry code: blank.gif, country type: blank, valid: 36834994

Moondancer suffered, and it was Twilight and Celestia's fault.

She experiences a legitimate and significant depression for long period of time.

Some viewers think it happened too quickly, or that the impetus wasn't significant to cause such a depression.

But here's the situation: she's a shy, introverted, child. Her best friend suddenly disappears and leaves without a single word, ignoring her party - and never so much says a word to her. Never writes, never reaches out in any way.

Moondancer begins isolating herself. Her trust in opening up and getting close to people is damaged. She develops a fear of abandonment. It was a traumatic event, that party.. It can happen like that. She engrosses herself in work and loses even interest in social life.

And why did Twilight leave? Why was Moondancer left behind?

Because Twilight was the chosen one, the protege. One unicorn get sent to Princess Celestia's School for the gifted to.. literally becoming the Princess of Friendship, and the other is left behind to feel like an afterthought; her best friend dropping her without a second glance for, to Moondancer's perspective, the chance to be a princess. Perhaps Twilight was *right* to focus on her studies, and thus Moondancer follows suit. Both were studious, smart girls.

Twilight goes on to grand adventures, traveling the world, meeting new and amazing people, becoming an immortal royal and famed hero.

Moondancer lives in a dark room and shuts out the world. There was no Princess of the Sun and grand destiny to whisk her off.

She deserved better. Sure, in time, Twilight reconnects with her and Moondancer learns the value of friendship again. But she's still had to live through that sadness and lose that time.

Dulset Tarn !KelpieFM3QCountry code: blank.gif, country type: blank, valid: 36834995

Moondancer didn't "have to" do anything. Nothing even happened to her. She was miserable because she chose to be. She could have done whatever she wanted, gone anywhere she wanted.

She wasn't friends with Twilight, no one was. She didn't even invite Twilight to the little get together thrown for her by her actual friends. If some traumatic event at the party actually did cause her to curl back into her shell, it might have been a good idea for someone to look into it, but that doesn't happen.

She deserved better? From what? From who? I think her real friends deserved better, the ones she abandoned after they went to the trouble of throwing a party for her.

AnonymousCountry code: blank.gif, country type: blank, valid: 36834996

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? The episode's opening is literally Twilight being called a bad friend prior to having been sent to Ponyville. It wasn't that no one was friends with her; it's that she was *bad* at it, really bad.

Your sensitive friends do deserve better from you; and different people have different needs. Twilight is *rightly* distraught when she realizes the sequence of events, the "total mess" she left. Her other friends are alright, if a little starstruck.

AnonymousCountry code: blank.gif, country type: blank, valid: 36834997

In truth, Twilight's realization that her more well-adjusted 'old' friends figured she'd 'moved on' and didn't think anything of them, actually makes her sad. It drives the point home that, she's been back to canterlot all the time since, but never once thought to even see any of them, but still, they're happy to see her and reconnect.

Dulset Tarn !KelpieFM3QCountry code: blank.gif, country type: blank, valid: 36834998

>>36834996
No, it is that no one was friends with her. Twilight having no friends was literally the basis for the series. Twilight chose to stay in Ponyville because she had friends there.

And when Twilight actis distraught about the mess she left, what do her old classmates do? They laugh at her. Because it's funny to them that she thought they'd care about their most annoying classmate leaving.

AnonymousCountry code: blank.gif, country type: blank, valid: 36834999

>>36834998
When was the last time you saw this episode?

Dulset Tarn !KelpieFM3QCountry code: blank.gif, country type: blank, valid: 36835000

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>>36834999
Quite recently, I know it in and out.

AnonymousCountry code: blank.gif, country type: blank, valid: 36835001

Moondancer: gives Twilight a book as a present with an inscription to her friend

"Twilight had no friends"
No, that wasn't the basis for the series. The basis was that she didn't understand friendship and didn't think it was important.

>it's funny to them that she thought they'd care about their most annoying classmate leaving.
Oh this is a bit about hating Twilight

AnonymousCountry code: blank.gif, country type: blank, valid: 36835002

They laugh because they know she's a literal goddess now and it's funny that she'd be concerned with little ol' them

"to my friend Twilight Sparkle"

Dulset Tarn !KelpieFM3QCountry code: blank.gif, country type: blank, valid: 36835003

>>36835001
Did you not see the scene where Twilight remembers her time with her "friend" Moondancer?

AnonymousCountry code: blank.gif, country type: blank, valid: 36835004

> the little get together thrown for her by her actual friends
> Moondancer is the one who threw the party

>"for awhile there she was really starting to come out of her shell"
>"remember when SHE threw that party?"

Yeah you know the episode inside and out

AnonymousCountry code: blank.gif, country type: blank, valid: 36835005

These bits got old when Obama was still in office

Dulset Tarn !KelpieFM3QCountry code: blank.gif, country type: blank, valid: 36835006

>>36835004
Yes that's right, her friends convinced her to throw the party, to put herself out there to try and make new friends. She threw it, but it was their idea. I misspoke.

AnonymousCountry code: blank.gif, country type: blank, valid: 36835007

Except that didn't happen and they didn't convince her to throw that party. goalpost.gif
She said she was humiliated - her friends had "convinced" her that she had value, not to throw a party, and when she opened herself up, the person she liked most, someone she definitely considered to be her friend - so much so that she gave her a rare first edition book, something she values a great deal, inscribed to 'her friend', made her feel like she didn't have any value at all, someone could just forget about her at the drop of a hat. She was humiliated. You don't seem to know the episode that well.

Dulset Tarn !KelpieFM3QCountry code: blank.gif, country type: blank, valid: 36835008

>>36835007
You really should watch the episode again, and see just how close the two actually were, like in the one flashback featuring the two of them.

I get that you take everything the characters say at face value, even though the whole theme of the episode is the dissonance between what they say and what we see. But if you're so convinced by words, what do you make of Moondancer literally not knowing Twilight's name when she first addresses her?

AnonymousCountry code: blank.gif, country type: blank, valid: 36835009

>The literal Princess of Friendship, that everyone knows who she is
>which it's clear she knows of throughout the rest of the episode
Yeah she very purposely acts like she doesn't know her at first.

For someone who thought Minuette et al threw the party, then thought they convinced MD to throw the party, you're really grasping in claiming what the episode's theme is. The theme is "dissonance between what they say and what we see?" I don't know what way you decide on the theme of a show/story but I've never seen anyone else say the theme is something other than like, trying to make up for past mistakes and past hurts, maintaining or rebuilding connections etc. Dissonance between what they say and what we see? What?

AnonymousCountry code: blank.gif, country type: blank, valid: 36835010

If you hurt someone unintentionally, it's still hurt. If you don't realize you've neglected someone and you mattered to them more than they mattered to you, it's still hurt.

I didn't bring in the scene that was cut but it does offer a nice insight in that Celestia learned something of this as well.

Dulset Tarn !KelpieFM3QCountry code: blank.gif, country type: blank, valid: 36835011

>>36835009
Seriously, watch over it again and reeeally pay attention. Most of the episode is about Twilight not properly remembering or interpreting anything that doesn't fit her current worldview. It's set up and pointed out for the viewer in the very first scene of the episode. The ways she believes she's changed and the ways she believes she hasn't, she's wrong about both of them.

Ask yourself when you watch, why is the scene where Twilight utterly humiliates Moondancer in class without even looking at her followed by Twilight in the present calling Moondancer her friend? Why does Twilight immediately assume that the only thing Moondancer could possibly be upset about is her own absence at the party, and why does she manufacture a flashback to a scene she wasn't present for? Why does Spike spend the entire episode skeptical of Twilight, after having demonstrated her memory was faulty from the start?

There's so much going on under the hood of the episode, it's really sad that a lot of people don't bother seeing it.

AnonymousCountry code: blank.gif, country type: blank, valid: 36835012

Someone's definitely not properly remembering, but that's already been demonstrated throughout and backpeddled

Dulset Tarn !KelpieFM3QCountry code: blank.gif, country type: blank, valid: 36835013

>>36835012
You know, you could just say that Moondancer had a hyperfixated, unhealthy crush on Twilight, and that would explain pretty much everything. Well, aside from not having given Twilight an invitation.

AnonymousCountry code: blank.gif, country type: blank, valid: 36835014

I could also say she had autism or say virtually anything as the internal unknown reasoning but it wouldn't change the crux of the issue, one the episode quite explicitly acknowledged, that Twilight fucked up and the inconsiderate nature of what happened deeply hurt an impressionable person at a crucial time in their development. Since we're talking now about things *un*said and seen, Celestia having been watching Twilight throughout this time and been monitoring her as her next protege would have known about her sudden departure leaving her friend like that (which the cut scene reinforced). It 'worked out' in the end but not before a lot of sadness for one person.

Dulset Tarn !KelpieFM3QCountry code: blank.gif, country type: blank, valid: 36835015

>>36835014
It's funny honestly, something so inconsiderate, the other ponies laughed it right off. If they were Moondancer's friends, you'd think they would help their impressionable friend get over a pony who isn't worth the time. But I guess they never knew why Moondancer was upset, isn't that weird? Somehow none of them ever found out Twilight was responsible, even though they'd gone through the exact same thing. Maybe if Moondancer told them, they'd laugh in her face just like they did to Twilight.

AnonymousCountry code: blank.gif, country type: blank, valid: 36835016

Unlike the three of them, it wasn't a funny story that their friend became one of their people's 3 gods. Funny how something effects people differently.

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