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To herd, or not to herd? 36781224

I think the moment that someone took the time to count the number of consistent stallions in Ponyville scenes was the one that two different ideas as to what it means for Equestrian relationships.

The first idea based on behaviours of actual horses lends to the idea of a Herd mentality. That there is natually more mares than stallions, thus they would naturally form herds with a single or so stallion at their core and several mares (or stallions, based on the headcanon) around them. One fiction I read, Of Mortals and Dragons, goes into good detail about how this would work and I like how it is described and is a sensible system.

This idea runs into a problem because it is never expressed within the show. While someone might handwave it as 'well it's a kid show', we have canonically two monogamous relationships, the Cakes and Shining Armor and Cadence.

The second idea is based on the ideas that (A) Ponyville is a farming community and (B) traditional roles might be in strong effect. This means that the reason why you never see any males excepting holiday episodes is because they are all working. Either as laborers on Applejack's Farm or on their own farms or ranches. Perhaps even behind closed doors in their shops while the mares operate the stores that sell what they produce. This theory would then surmise that relationships are commonly monogamous much like human relationships as there is a balance between mares and stallions. I like this theory because it gives a lot of life to Ponyville. Not seeing males means that the economy of the town is strong and thriving, they are working hard and earning bits and knowing that makes the setting feel a bit more real.

The main problem wit this theory is that it is based on conjecture and assumption. We never see these ponies, thus we can not assume that they must be working elsewhere because we can't see them. (Lack of evidence is not evidence)

What do you guys think?

Dee Twenty(Element of Cheer)!Nat20kBygE 36781225

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The Scyphozoa!SCIPIOB65. 36781227

I like to think they do have a lot more mares than stallions, and they are monogamous, therefore not all mares get married. That could be why only two of the mane 6 have even hinted at being interested in a guy.

But I guess my theory doesn't make a lot of sense, because it means that the mares would have to be really competitive about mating, and that doesn't seem to mesh with Harmony and stuff. It would only work if the intensity of a mare's sex drive is RANDOM, and NOT hereditary.

Mondo!peSTIcIDes 36781228

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>we have canonically two monogamous relationships, the Cakes and Shining Armor and Cadence.

Twilight and Rarity's parents have both been shown as well, seemingly monogamous. Applejack's parents haven't been "shown", but they kinda were and are also a single pair.

My answer is perhaps even simpler, though, and it falls in line with the second theory. We're just not seeing all the males. Not because they're busy working on farms or whatever, but because the show focuses on women. More males have shown up over time, as well, perhaps because they realized the show had broader gender appeal, or perhaps because even the target audience is just creeped out by a show with only one gender.

The toys eventually picked up males as well. I still remember one package I bought that had a sticker on the front almost literally saying "Look, a boy pony!" So there was obviously a shift of some kind. Especially since Emerald Ray was just shoved into a pack that otherwise only had the Mane 6.

Unlikeable pony (element of being banned. again) 36781230

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>>36781228


I think they did that to try and form a rainbow; Which kind of pisses me off since they have spike for a seventh >:p


but now that they have sunset shimmer for the seventh color of the rainbow, I doubt that'll happen again with toys. (They'll still keep churning out Pony sunset shimmer toys even if she's in the human world I bet)

Marimo!Mrb.TaRPks 36781231

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>>36781230
>They'll still keep churning out Pony sunset shimmer toys even if she's in the human world I bet
Well why would that even be a reason to not make pony toys of a character? Them not making pony toys of Sunset Shimmer because the last we've seen her is in the human world would be like them not making pony toys of NMM because Luna's not evil anymore.

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>>36781228
>Twilight and Rarity's parents have both been shown as well, seemingly monogamous. Applejack's parents haven't been "shown", but they kinda were and are also a single pair.

I honestly forgot about them.

>>36781225
That was funny.

Unlikeable pony (element of being banned. again) 36781234

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>>36781231

Well it just seems strange to do so if EQG and FIM are *truly* unique series without an effect on each other.
If you look at the two as EQG and FIM as more or less being the same series more or less it makes sense, but it just kind of shoots holes in saying each of them is unrelated to each other.
(which is why I still fear events in EQG like flashlight rippling into FIM and affecting it).




but, as for NMM, she still appears on the show though even if Luna's reformed. Like Luna eclipsed Luna shapeshifted into NMM and NMM images were used alot, and in Season 4 they used NMM in the premier. (and I actually suspect luna's nightmare in S5 might be about her remembering her past as NMM and her guilt)

So they still keep using NMM, while Sunset will most probably never appear again.

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Marimo!Mrb.TaRPks 36781235

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>>36781234
Well they are connected enough to use ponies on the EqG boxes, and sell doll versions of ponies. We haven't even seen human Zecora in RR, but they made a doll of her. So it seems fair to me that they can also sell pony versions of characters that live in the EqG world, like Sunset. She at least was a pony once.

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>>36781234
FiM and EQ are only somewhat connected. Similar to how Avengers and Agents of SHIELD are slightly connected.

Hasbro Toy Manfucaturing doesn't care about this. They make toys to make money.

Also, what does this have to do with herds and MLP?! Why do you people keep derailing my threads!?

Dee Twenty(Element of Cheer)!Nat20kBygE 36781237

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>>36781236

>Why do you people keep derailing my threads!?

We're /pony/, it's what we do.

Unlikeable pony (element of being banned. again) 36781238

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>>36781236


alright:

I think that Mares outnumber Stallions by about a 6 to 4 ratio. There's more mares than stallions, but not by a MASSIVE amount.

Ponies still exist in Monogamous relationship though: Instead of being polygamous, it just means that a vast number of mares are single and don't even really consider romantic relationships that much and focus on career's instead.

Stallions are Likewise career oriented as they aren't Uber rare, so its not like they're kept as breeding stock or stalked. Just they're a little rarer.



This also has lead to more mares in the workforce than normal, as since about 35 or 40% of mares are unmarried, they have to be employeed and career oriented mares aren't looked at as strange in any way shape or form.

The Scyphozoa!SCIPIOB65. 36781239

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>>36781238
>not expressing ratios in lowest terms

Clonehunter!Flakygyd4M 36781242

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Mondo!peSTIcIDes 36781260

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One thought I had on this is that if all the stallions are away at work, where are the colts? Are the schools also primarily female, or are they evenly split? And I'm also curious if this changes between the earliest depictions of the show's classrooms and the more modern ones.

Exhibit 1: Call of the Cutie

Absolutely zero colts. Notably absent are Snips, Snails, Scootaloo, and Sweetie Belle. All fairly major characters that are just absent for some reason, even though at least two of them had been introduced already, with Applebloom being spotted next to her friends in the premier despite only meeting them in this episode.

Obviously there's some world building issues here where they dropped the ball (or a few pairs, more accurately).

Mondo!peSTIcIDes 36781261

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Exhibit 2: Hearts and Hooves Day

They added a fat kid and rejected lesbian. At least one seems to have testicles, so that's +1 male, though Snips and Snails are still missing for some reason.

Mondo!peSTIcIDes 36781262

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Exhibit 3: Ponyville Confidential

They kept the fat kid, and also brought in Featherweight and that inky guy with the hat. Males are moving up in the world!

Though, strangely, the number of desks is not. Perhaps not every child is always present at school?

Edit: Oops. There are totally three more desks in this one. There are also three open desks, though, and even 12 desks can't actually contain the number of kids there are at this point.

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Mondo!peSTIcIDes 36781263

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Exhibit 4: Twilight Time

Tons and tons of kids. Way more than actually fit in the schoolhouse, and like half a dozen new males. Perhaps not quite even with the females, but definitely a step in that direction! We're getting close!

Though given this, I really do think that perhaps there are other places children learn in town. Maybe a lot of homeschooling goes on, or maybe kids are just encouraged to explore things and discover their special talents rather than sit through an information factory for a dozen years.

In any case, though, I think this really supports my initial hypothesis of them adding more males in over time because they felt like there should be more males. Like...more than none.

It's more natural that way.

The Scyphozoa!SCIPIOB65. 36781264

>>36781263
>maybe kids are just encouraged to explore things and discover their special talents rather than sit through an information factory for a dozen years
I don't believe schools in Equestria are like that. We know how passionate Cheerilee is supposed to be, right?

Twilight saw the school in EqG and thought it was a castle, so obviously they don't have big ass institution-y school buildings like that in Equestria. It seems to me that young ponies go to small schools with really active and personal teachers like Cheerilee, and then they either get a job or go to a specialized school like Twilight did.

Unlikeable pony (element of being banned. again) 36781265

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>>36781264

But according to the staff, the comics are canon, and Cadence and shining armor went to the worlds most stereotypical Highschool ever...

36781277

>>36781263
It seems more likely that this school operates with the idea that most of the ponies in this town are likely to pick up a trade built off of what their parents or neighbors are doing. From Father to Son, Mother to Daughter, the knowledge they need to work is easily given. Cherrile's Class is used to fill in the blanks that the parents can't and as such it isn't required so much that they attend all the time, just that they attend enough to learn.

I like to imagine that when she got started, Cherrile did not have that many students. Perhaps just five or six. Thus explaining the small school house. But as time went on, her student pool got bigger and bigger. I would love to see in the show them expanding the school, but for now I'll leave it to my favorite authors.


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