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Confused about Pinkie Pie Some guy with a pink pony waifu 346229

Pinkie Pie stated multiple times that everypony (as in every sentient creature) is her friend.
But at the same time she called Iron Will a monster and a creep, so to say insulted him behind his back.

Something similar happened in the episode with Gilda.
Pinkie was nice and friendly while being near her, but as long as Gilda wasn't able to hear her, she called her a meany pants.

On the other hand, she threw a party for Gilda and even pointed out how sincere she is about being happy to welcome her in ponyville.

If she claims to love everyone, then how can she do such a thing as showing so much disrespect towards someone she doesn't even know well?
Or was she just being honest instead of being like "whatever, I don't care how people act like"? Though even then, insulting Iron Will wouldn't have been necessary.

I am so conflicted right now, help me /pony/! (preferably in a positive way)
…please?


PS: This is my first thread, so please don't punch me too hard for making any mistakes.

Anonymous 346248

Pinkie was similarly biased against Zecora. And she's been highly protective of Fluttershy in the past (notably, in Griffon the Brush-Off).

346273

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Pinkie is cool with you until you fuck with her friends.

Gilda sent Fluttershy running away in tears (the party Pinkie threw her later was in an effort to improve her attitude), and Iron Will turned Fluttershy into a volatile, overly aggressive bitch (Pinkie's a bit protective of Fluttershy, in case you haven't noticed).

346289

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…you know what?

i just… i give up.

Some guy with a pink pony waifu 346309

>>346273
She called Iron Will a monster before Fluttershy turned into an overly agressive bitch though.
Which seems to be against her morals of making everyone smile.

She also seemed to downright detest Gilda while talking about her with Twilight (which was before that thing with Flutters), though she didn't seem to hold a grudge for more than a couple of hours.
Except if she was pretending be genuinely nice to her, but I doubt that.

>>346289
Uhm…I am sorry if I somehow made you feel bad. It wasn't my intention at all.

346375

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>>346309
Seems she wants to be friends with everyone, but sometimes fear and rumors take ahold of her.

>I am sorry if I somehow made you feel bad. It wasn't my intention at all.

He's possessively protective of Pinkie Pie. He's got a tattoo of her on his arm.

Some guy with a pink pony waifu 346394

>>346375
>Seems she wants to be friends with everyone, but sometimes fear and rumors take ahold of her.

That actually sounds pretty good.
She may not fear actual dangers, but she gets scared if she, even potentially, could lose one of her friends.
I can live with that explanation.

>He's possessively protective of Pinkie Pie. He's got a tattoo of her on his arm.


Oh wow. A tattoo of her? Thats…thats actually kinda cool.

Well, sorry man, I didn't want to say anything bad about Pinkie. I was just conflicted by her contradictory actions.

Anonymous 346397

>>346375
Just mostly in love with Pinkie Pie. It's probably OP's name.

346401

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>>346309

Really? Huh, it's been a while since I've seen either of those episodes, so my memory is a tad foggy.

I guess you'd just have to sum it up to Pinkie not being perfect. She tries to be nice and be friends with everypony (and most of the time she succeeds) but she isn't flawless.

Anonymous 346516

>>346229
It's a cartoon, if you over analyze it you're gonna find flaws. Not that you can't over analyze, but regardless you will find flaws.

Some guy with a pink pony waifu 346521

>>346516
I expect them to be clear about how a main character of the show has to behave in certain situations.

There are enough flaws in the storyline of various episodes (black changeling queen showing her true face to Twilight even though she has already won. Alicorn princess hold captive by some weak common ponies, etc.).

Sure, its a cartoon and it has flaws, but it mainly aims at character development, so there shouldn't be any major mistakes in this.

Some guy with a pink pony waifu 346522

>>346521
Anyways, I am getting some sleep, bye.

346726

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>>346516
Finding flaws is fun.

Anonymous 346883

She's friends with everyone in Ponyville, not the entire world since she hasn't ever traveled that far away from her home.

Anonymous 351146

>>346375
>>346289
Could we get a pic? I'd love to see that tattoo

I'm thinking I might eventually get her cutie mark done. Don't worry, not trying to intrude in on anyone's waifu. Pinkie Pie is my favorite, but "not in that way"

Anonymous 354062

>Pinkie Pie
>logic
Choose one.

Anonymous 354229

The difference between pointing something out and insulting is intent

I'm not sure it was disrespectful, at all

Anonymous 354676

Because she is not a genuine bubblehead like miss Frizzle which would be friends with Satan.(also usually those characters are 1D). Supposedly the charm in PinkPone is that she breaks character for rational reasons, but it's far too easy these days to turn a character into a hypocrite and a double standard faggot. She's a crappy 2D eccentric aquarius which I wouldn't hang out with even if you paid me in gold.

354912

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>>351146
No :D

maybe

Anonymous 355384

>>346516
>It's a cartoon, if you over analyze it you're gonna find flaws.
The character development in the first season was damn near flawless, though. Remember, we didn't get a big steaming pile of "Hi! I'm Pinkie Pie, and I have to be friends with EVERYPONY!" until "A Friend in Deed." That was Episode 44 according to Wikipedia, well over two-thirds of the way through the series so far. The characters started getting badly messed up ten episodes before it. I probably don't need to say in which episode that was.

I thought they were all realistically consistent throughout the entirety of Season One, which is to say, not very consistent, but people aren't. They're complex and messy and self-contradictory, and they have demons they try to keep hidden, and they're often hypocritical, but sometimes they're lovable in spite of all that. In the first season, the writers did a terrific job of slowly revealing that the ponies were not stereotypes. They weren't simple or perfect or even always nice, but they were completely adorable.

Later, that kind of fell apart. Larson seemed to lose his ability to write Fluttershy. Merriwether was hired, and she couldn't write any of them. Pinkie devolved into shallow comic relief. A little later, so did Rarity. Dash became absolutely insufferable from Episode 33 until Episode 48 finally broke the curse, and she never did regain her former depth. Applejack, who was never all that interesting to begin with, kept playing the same notes until they become tiresome. Only Twilight and Fluttershy remained fairly complex and consistent, but even so, Larson fucked Fluttershy hard up the ass in "Magic Duel," and many fans fear that Twilight has become a Mary Sue.

TL;DR:
> Pinkie was believably torn and conflicted in "Griffon the Brush-Off," but she tried to be positive anyway.
> Pinkie's descent into becoming a flat, obnoxious cartoon was complete by Episode 44, "A Friend in Deed."
> Merriwether Williams wrote the teleplay for Episode 45, "Putting Your Hoof Down," so it might not even count.
> Lauren had the clearest vision of who the characters were, and when she left, most of them went with her.

355386

I can relate to Pinkie most of the time, and in this case I'm pretty sure I know what she was thinking. I'll sum it up with a quote from my childhood.


"I don't hate bad people. I love everyone, I just hate what they do."

Her comments were directed more toward the character's actions than the character themselves. When Pinkie called Gilda a meanie pants, she was referring to Gilda's treatment of Fluttershy when she verbally assaulted her and roared in her face. When Pinkie called Iron will a monster, she was referring to his highly questionable methods.

Anonymous 355531

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>>355384

>Remember, we didn't get a big steaming pile of "Hi! I'm Pinkie Pie, and I have to be friends with EVERYPONY!" until "A Friend in Deed."


She did insist on knowing everyone from the very first episode, and at the very least attempting to find friends for any newcomers, with the implication that she wanted to be one of those friends.

Anonymous 355608

>>355531
Yes, but it didn't feel rigid and over-simplified. If I thought about it at all, I just assumed she was indulging in hyperbole, but I really didn't even think about it. I just blew right past it. However, by "A Friend in Deed" and particularly in "Magical Mystery Cure," it looked like Ponyville might jitter apart without her.

Pretty big role and responsibility for a baker/caterer who seems to be about nineteen years old. Pinkie should run against the Mayor.

Hey, whatever happened to everypony's near-hysterical worship of Fluttershy the Supermodel, anyway? These ponies, they are so fickle!

Anonymous 356650

>>355608
>"Magical Mystery Cure,"
That episode was rushed and illogical. Most of the issues were created to make the cutie mark change look more devestating. They didn't have time to go into dept with all this stuff.

>"A Friend in Deed"

She was nice to everyone and people appreciate her, yes. But it didn't look like Ponyville would jitter apart without her.

Anonymous 356656

>>356650
>But it didn't look like Ponyville would jitter apart without her.
That's why I said, "particularly in 'Magical Mystery Cure.'" In it, not only did it look that way, it was that way.

In "A Friend in Deed," maybe not, but it still implied that she's everyone's darling. This reflects an issue I wish the writers would settle on. They need to add to the bible or something. Are the Mane Six local (hell, national) heroes, or not?

Even the first season was weird that way. They kicked off the series with the gang SAVING THE WORLD, but they were treated like ordinary mares after that. Applejack was struggling financially. Rarity's business was obscure. Dash was just another contestant in the Young Flyers' Competition. Fluttershy was an absolute nobody until Photo Finish catapulted her into fame. Pinkie was a baker and caterer's assistant. Twilight might have been considered special, but that wasn't even clear.

They still haven't pinned it down. It just depends on the episode. That's lame.

Anonymous 365068

>>356656
>AJ struggling financially
Here's where I step in and point out that AJ's money troubles are just token stakes for her episodes because there's no other struggle in her character for us to root for so they fall back on "will lose farm"

teh_Foxx0rz (Element of Textwall)!FoxxyWhyUQ 365411

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I just put her in PYHD down to Merriwether. And as good as Wonderbolt Academy was and most of the characters in Spike at your Service were, she didn't really improve with Pinkie's personality.

If a character's actions don't make sense in terms of their character from an in-universe perspective, then one must look for possible explanations for this inconsistency from out-of-universe.

Anonymous 365451

>>365068
>Here's where I step in and point out that AJ's money troubles are just token stakes for her episodes…

That's why I said, "It just depends on the episode. That's lame," here >>356656.

Most series of this type go through an early awkward phase where the creators are still building the world and developing the characters, and that tends be squirrely. Then, if they're lucky, they get a "golden period" where everything comes together, the stories flow perfectly and the writing is tight. Then, finally, they run out of steam and fall prey to rot like Flanderization and cheap tricks like the Rule of Funny, that, when mentioned, make all the little parrots squawk: "DURR-HURR-HURR! GO BACK TO TVTROPES, YOU AUTIST! HURRRRRR…"

Yes, squawk, little parrots. I can see your knees jerking from here.

Anyway, MLP:FiM never really got a golden period. It lost its producer (not writer, you retards). It lost its creator. It lost the "glue" that holds the show together. It lost Lauren Faust. It went straight from "We're Still Building It" to the proverbial leap over the shark.

If Season Four redeems it somewhat, I'll eat my fedora.

The Person Who Posts As Fluttershy (Element of Self-descriptive Usernames) 365573

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>>365411
To be fair none: of the writers are doing Pinkie as well as they used to. I think somewhere someone is saying "Pinkie should say something funny" a lot more then they need to.

Anonymous 365576

>>365573
It's true: none of the writers are doing Pinkie as well as they did her in the first season…

("Doing her" sounds nasty, but they have been "doing her" for the last two years, haven't they? Yessiree, they have that little mare bent over a stump, and they're just doing her and doing her! They're making her squeal like a pig! They even made her wear a pig's nose once! How humiliating!)

…but there's bad, and then there's BAD! She was positively obnoxious in "A Friend in Deed," but at least Amy Keating Rogers had her use her freaky eidetic memory at the end. At least she still had some vestige of her former idiot-savant like intelligence. In "Wonderbolts Academy," Merriwether wrote her as absolutely retarded.

Anonymous 365579

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>>365573
>>365576

There is only one solution.

Anonymous 401790

>>365573
>I think somewhere someone is saying "Pinkie should say something funny" a lot more then they need to.
I'd be happy if she said nothing and did something as funny as when she walked into the dragon cave in a weird getup. You know, "Whatever it is that Pinkie does."


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