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#1 Ratty

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 08:52 PM



It's like they really know us!

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 09:21 PM

These are random comments while watching the video.

I heard the word 'turned on' and got the wrong idea... Or I think I got what he was implying.

They're focusing on just one bit of the fandom. One bit that makes anyone go 'ew, that's horrible, I hate bronies'. They briefly went over that bronies like the show for its art, etc, etc, but they're trying to start a shitstorm here. Rule 34, clopping, plot, 'sweet pony ass'.

"Oh, it gets crazier. Stick with this."

Yeah, and fuck you, because you're interested in this. There's weird people in every fandom that think the characters are hot. And heck, somewhere on the internet we've all seen that sick Scooby-Doo or Kim Possible or whatever kid's show tickles your fancy sorta porn. It's sick and horrible, not many people like it.

It's also disgusting how they're laughing. This guy's talking about being called a terrorist randomly, and suddenly there's this manical laughter. I mean, come on. Argh.

"And a bunch of other random stuff" "What other strange things had he gotten into?"

"The fuck is he talkin' about."

"Waste of time."

"I'm afraid to watch my little ponies now."

And my last quote,

"We're not all cloppers."

This is all negative and stupid, and I hate this Howard Stern guy. I don't know who he is, but he doesn't deserve to be on this radio show or whatever the fuck he's on. According to Wikipedia, he says he's 'The Kind of All Media'.

Ever heard of the internet, Howie? No? Fuck you then.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 09:26 PM

Pick out the worst examples of a group and pitch them as a majority. Nice move.


Edited by Ainsley Harriott, 16 July 2012 - 09:26 PM.


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Posted 16 July 2012 - 09:37 PM

Yeah I like how they asked every single one if they clopped to pony pictures and they all said yes.
Guys, Howard Stern is fameous for being a troll, so don't get mad. I more enjoyed laughing at his ignorance more than anything else, its like a clown pretending not to see the pie being thrown at his face, its really funny, and acting surprised when it hits. I'm sure he knows full well thats the extreme cases, but its not as entertaining for his fans if they just tried to understand it, than it is to mock it.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 09:40 PM

I wasn't even aware he was famous at all. I guess he's more of an american thing?

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 09:43 PM

I find their ignorance hilarious but the fact that he has fans disturbs me

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 09:59 PM

Comic Con is for losers? Excuse me for a moment...
But seriously, the part of the fandom they're talking about is like... 10% of it; if not, less.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 12:26 AM

He was more famous in the 90s, I thought he was known all over the world?
He was mostly known as a "shock jock" DJ type person, just being as offensive as possible to get attention.
Think of him like theonion, he's just satire. But he's not as funny as the onion. He's really old now, way past his prime.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 02:19 AM

He was more famous in the 90s, I thought he was known all over the world?

I had to Google a picture of him before I knew him

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 03:07 AM

I didn't even know this guy existed until now. I haven't facepalmed this much in quite a while, does this guy even do any research on a topic before he discusses it?.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 07:48 AM

I think he has to understand the fandom at least partially to be able to lampoon it. And R34 is by far the easiest target. It was quite nice to me that in spite of his attempts to sexualise everything, that idea wasn't really supported even by some of his hand-picked interviews.

"Because it might get back to the pony!" was an excellent line.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 08:17 AM

Oh, there is not a lot of ways to get on my bad side, but THIS. I know not to get pissed, but I almost teared up when I thought of the poor people he interviewed, most likely under the impression that it was an interview for a brony radio station. The questions were innocent enough, they could have been just a curious person getting into the fandom, but these people, should they hear this, could be affected rather for the worse. Through the whole thing him and his female friend are doing nothing but insulting us, and grinding us into the dust. This is just unfair, and it is gonna garner us some bad reputation, and make it a LOT harder for new bronies to admit to liking the show. I have converted a few people, mostly by accident, but things like that are going to become harder and harder if this movement is perpetuated. He basically compared us with stereotypes of the common douche, and I guess the fact that we feel compassion and don't lust after every member of the opposite sex we meet leaves us lacking. Just because we are different, it does not make us "sad". Ill bet there were a LOT of other interviews that didn't make it, they just took the examples they wanted to use to make us look like a bunch of retards getting dirty thoughts whenever a cartoon horse is within thirty miles. I hope this doesn't become too popular, I'm gonna check how many views this got.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 11:29 AM

As much as it may annoy you, some people do see us as a laughing stock, a great way to stop this is just to laugh along!
People will usually respect and like you more if you do that than if you just get pissed

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:06 PM

As much as it may annoy you, some people do see us as a laughing stock, a great way to stop this is just to laugh along!
People will usually respect and like you more if you do that than if you just get pissed


I know this stuff herpy, but it is so INFURIATING to know that people are agreeing with him. It's just unfair that he should be aloud to spout this without a single hold-up, just to increase the prejudice we already face. Maybe if we had some way of getting to the people who agree with this, and show them what we are REALLY about, but that is easier said than done. I find it hard to laugh along when people compare us to gays. Not because I have things against gays, not at all, but it blows the issue WAY out of proportion.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:13 PM

I don't know what I'm more angry about, the fact that he didn't research us properly or that he's spreading his bullshit to the audience and giving us another bad impression... Because we haven't got enough of those.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 02:30 PM

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 02:45 PM

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 03:26 PM

sigh.... No, i'm not even gonna say it.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 04:02 PM

I just looked at a picture of him and he looks just like one of my college tutors. o.o

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 04:04 PM

It's like they did their research from a pony thread simulator.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 04:24 PM

Jeez.... we really do have alot in common with furries.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 05:41 PM

Celestia d*mn-it, when is it EVER acceptable to answer ANY question with "Sweet pony ass"???

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 05:57 PM

Jeez.... we really do have alot in common with furries.

Sorry but you can't complain about bronies being negitively grouped as cloppers, if you are going to label all furries as wierd sexual deviants, its hypocritical.

(apologies if I misunderstood you)

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 06:16 PM

Well we enjoy a show about happy magical ponies. Were you guys really expecting anything different from what is on the video. This isn't the first time that happens and is not going to be the last. So sit back relax and laugh at theirs ignorance

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 06:27 PM

Guys, Howard Stern is fameous for being a troll, so don't get mad. I more enjoyed laughing at his ignorance more than anything else,


*Cough* Do you guys ever read what Ratty says? :C

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 07:29 PM

Was expecting it.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 07:51 PM

Even if he's famous for being a troll, what's his audience going to think? The responses from real bronies at bronycon just make bronies look really bad. Really really bad.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 07:56 PM

Even if he's famous for being a troll, what's his audience going to think? The responses from real bronies at bronycon just make bronies look really bad. Really really bad.

How do you know those were 'actual' bronies? It's more likely that these were people that were specifically hired to say those responses.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 08:20 PM

How do you know those were 'actual' bronies? It's more likely that these were people that were specifically hired to say those responses.


I just try to keep faith in humanity and presume that they haven't stooped that low.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 08:29 PM

Apparently this was done off bronycon grounds. Sounds rigged, don't it?
From eqd:

"Bronycon Press Release:

BronyCon has heard your concerns about the Howard Stern Show's portrayal of the fandom. We have determined that the show conducted all interviews outside of the venue, off of BronyCon grounds. While it's unfortunate that these folks decided to come out and act in such an unprofessional manner, we feel it is best to shrug off the typical reaction and instead focus on those press outlets that gave our community a fair story.

-Haybuck
Head of Public Relations
BronyCon 2013"

"

Edited by BeTa77, 17 July 2012 - 08:30 PM.


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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:03 AM

Man, you have to take stuff Howard Stern says with a grain of salt. I was more worried about the response from the community, because whenever somebody mentions cloppers a lot of people tend to get really defensive and say stuff like how cloppers aren't "really" bronies, and how the stuff they do is weird and disgusting. I'm just glad I'm not seeing a whole lot of that, because I really hate that. They're part of the community too, they deserve to be treated as such.

That being said, the people who did these interviews were a little dense. No one asks those kinds of questions if they're not trying to cast a negative light on the fandom.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 02:36 PM

How do you know those were 'actual' bronies? It's more likely that these were people that were specifically hired to say those responses.

In one of the interviews you can hear someone quoting Iron Will, thats a very good fake if it is

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 09:09 PM

Oh please, another EVERYONE CLOPS HURR DURD BRONY WRONG video? I stopped caring since the video STOP BROWNIES from that kid. You shouldn't worry bout this guys.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 09:34 PM

Jeez.... we really do have alot in common with furries.


It's true.

EDIT: In the sense that we personify and relate with animals, and we too have a lighter hearted crowd and a darker seeded crowd.

Edited by Flutter_Shot, 18 July 2012 - 09:43 PM.


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Posted 19 July 2012 - 12:59 AM

Wow this thread is still going?

And I still consider brony a subset of furries.
For those that are not furries and don't remeber this, here's one neat example of the clean vs dirty fighting that went on. http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Burned_Furs

But it was an winnable battle, so the lesson I got from it is in MLP the cloppers are here to stay, and the media will always just point their cameras and microphones at them, and there's nothing we can do about it.


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Posted 19 July 2012 - 01:06 AM

Haters gonna hate and they will use cloppers every time to put down bronies. Its a shame they didnt give MLP a chance, they are missing out on a great show.

Edited by Rapidfire, 19 July 2012 - 01:06 AM.


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Posted 19 July 2012 - 10:55 AM

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Edited by Ainsley Harriott, 19 July 2012 - 10:56 AM.


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Posted 20 July 2012 - 06:15 AM

I just thought of something, Howard Stern endorses the "real doll", which is basically a life sized "sex doll". Even if bronies were all perverts, I don't know how he can hate on it so much when he has sex with a real doll and said, and I quote, "the best sex I've ever had.".

We should probably stop giving this any more attention, at least until Tara Strong gets interviewed. :)

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:22 AM

This will be my first post here as a brony. I was tempted to dissect all of that show, but so far this community has done a fabulous job of regarding it so I will just put in a word or two.

The brony trademark line is "Love and tolerate", correct? Howard Stern targets the already slightly discriminated subcategory of bronies; cloppers. By doing so and putting down bronies as a whole, this causes the non-clopper bronies to react like this: "not all bronies are cloppers" or "only the gross bronies clop" etc.

This is not how we should react. By saying 'not all bronies are cloppers' after Howard suggests 'cloppers are sad, sick people', we are not defending cloppers but we are pretty much saying 'we're not all bad'. This suggests we're saying cloppers are the bad ones.

To each his own, right? Love and tolerate. Howard liked babysitter porn, SO WHAT? I will not judge him for his fetishes, and people, especially bronies, should not judge cloppers for theirs.

Cloppers aren't sick people. I defend them since one of my good friends is one, and after explaining to me everything I understood him. Well, please keep reading and understand them:

We love MLP, am I right? The cute faces, the precious giggles and expressions, the adorable voices (thanks Ashleigh; Tara!)... Now, a sub-section of us get aroused by this happy attitude that ponies have; the cute faces and remarks, whatever it is! Quite accurately, most of the attraction is due to mental aspects of the ponies and not physical aspects (this mental-attraction is called sapiosexuality, and is a pro!).

Honestly, with the ponies being ponies and all... What physical attributes might even be appealing or differentiate them from regular porn besides mental aspects? Plus they don't even have breasts, so the only reason one would clop to them over regular porn would be their personality and mental aspects. Their physical cuteness and perfectness adds to this obviously... But come on, everyone would hug a Twilight making a cute face.

Since ponies are asexual and all, it's understandable that R34 and cloppers would add the "necessary" parts to these ponies which would make them possible or "eligible" to clop to. They need to have physical attributes that can at least support them even though their mental attributes are what really shine.

Do not let Howard turn us bronies on ourselves. If you are a fan of MLP, you are a brony. I don't care what other things you do!

I hope I explained cloppers to everyone, as I hate seeing them being misunderstood and discriminated against by bronies especially just to make regular bronies look that much better. Sapiosexuality fuels clopping, and that trait is a very good attribute to have (sapiosexuality)! So if anything, cloppers should be loved with equality to regular bronies.


If you've read this far, spread my message! If not, the tl;dr is below ;(

Tl;dr: Don't let Howard turn us on ourselves. Cloppers are sapiosexual which is good, not sick or demented. Love and tolerate. All bronies are one.

P.S: Tara Strong tweeted she loved cloppers too. Direct quote: "Not that I don't love you <3!".


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Posted 20 July 2012 - 01:05 PM

Its very wierd since this show is geared towards little girls honestly its a bit disgusting that anyone can clop to it. Most people that hate mlp point at the very small amount of cloppers and overgeneralise it to bronies and pegasisters as a whole. Ever heard of my little brony by collegehumor?



As a hater I laughed but as a brony I shake my head because I know better

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 02:02 PM

This will be my first post here as a brony. I was tempted to dissect all of that show, but so far this community has done a fabulous job of regarding it so I will just put in a word or two.

The brony trademark line is "Love and tolerate", correct? Howard Stern targets the already slightly discriminated subcategory of bronies; cloppers. By doing so and putting down bronies as a whole, this causes the non-clopper bronies to react like this: "not all bronies are cloppers" or "only the gross bronies clop" etc.

This is not how we should react. By saying 'not all bronies are cloppers' after Howard suggests 'cloppers are sad, sick people', we are not defending cloppers but we are pretty much saying 'we're not all bad'. This suggests we're saying cloppers are the bad ones.

To each his own, right? Love and tolerate. Howard liked babysitter porn, SO WHAT? I will not judge him for his fetishes, and people, especially bronies, should not judge cloppers for theirs.

Cloppers aren't sick people. I defend them since one of my good friends is one, and after explaining to me everything I understood him. Well, please keep reading and understand them:

We love MLP, am I right? The cute faces, the precious giggles and expressions, the adorable voices (thanks Ashleigh; Tara!)... Now, a sub-section of us get aroused by this happy attitude that ponies have; the cute faces and remarks, whatever it is! Quite accurately, most of the attraction is due to mental aspects of the ponies and not physical aspects (this mental-attraction is called sapiosexuality, and is a pro!).

Honestly, with the ponies being ponies and all... What physical attributes might even be appealing or differentiate them from regular porn besides mental aspects? Plus they don't even have breasts, so the only reason one would clop to them over regular porn would be their personality and mental aspects. Their physical cuteness and perfectness adds to this obviously... But come on, everyone would hug a Twilight making a cute face.

Since ponies are asexual and all, it's understandable that R34 and cloppers would add the "necessary" parts to these ponies which would make them possible or "eligible" to clop to. They need to have physical attributes that can at least support them even though their mental attributes are what really shine.

Do not let Howard turn us bronies on ourselves. If you are a fan of MLP, you are a brony. I don't care what other things you do!

I hope I explained cloppers to everyone, as I hate seeing them being misunderstood and discriminated against by bronies especially just to make regular bronies look that much better. Sapiosexuality fuels clopping, and that trait is a very good attribute to have (sapiosexuality)! So if anything, cloppers should be loved with equality to regular bronies.


If you've read this far, spread my message! If not, the tl;dr is below ;(

Tl;dr: Don't let Howard turn us on ourselves. Cloppers are sapiosexual which is good, not sick or demented. Love and tolerate. All bronies are one.

P.S: Tara Strong tweeted she loved cloppers too. Direct quote: "Not that I don't love you <3!".


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Posted 20 July 2012 - 04:57 PM

Thank you for completely disregarding my post (even the tl;dr).

You're an example of how Howard is turning bronies on ourselves. Cloppers are bronies too. I'm not going to repeat what I said above though.

(The above post was to Rapidfire.)

Sorry; can't edit...

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 06:11 PM

Just because you make a well informed response doesn't mean its gonna change my mind instantly. People have differing opinions and mine differs from yours. Cloppers make a very small percentage of bronies and I dont like that their fetishes translate into some people giving me funny looks and hearing funny comments about me when I'm RPing in the brohoof forums in an airport because they think I clop to a little girls show when I dont.

Edited by Rapidfire, 20 July 2012 - 06:17 PM.


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Posted 20 July 2012 - 08:38 PM

Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect yours. First of all though, cloppers are a rather large percentage of bronies (if I had to estimate, more like 20%). The reason we think they're like 5% is because only really a forth of cloppers even confess they are. It's fine to not like cloppers, just like it's fine to not like MLP. It's not okay to think cloppers are immoral or wrong, it's just their fetish. It's also not fine to think bronies are immoral or wrong, it's just our favorite show.

Do you see how this translates? This is why I believe we should treat cloppers with equality and not hate. Many bronies hate them because they've caused people to generalize, but come on guys, what is our saying? Love and tolerate. To each his own. If we don't accept cloppers then how can we rightfully expect society to accept us bronies?

Edited by Pivot, 20 July 2012 - 08:40 PM.


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Posted 21 July 2012 - 05:51 PM

Sorry but you can't complain about bronies being negitively grouped as cloppers, if you are going to label all furries as wierd sexual deviants, its hypocritical.

(apologies if I misunderstood you)


No offense, but you really misunderstood me. Like what Ratty said, Bronies are commonly stereotyped as cloppers when most don't even think about it, and furries aren't usually sexual at all. Both are just judged by misconceptive media who think all of them are sexual.

Also, I'm pretty sure it's not 20%. 10 at most. I agree with Rapid, I do tolerate cloppers but I dont like how the media portrays all of us as them. I don't hate on cloppers, but I don't like them either.

Edited by Joniclem, 21 July 2012 - 05:55 PM.


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Posted 21 July 2012 - 09:36 PM

No offense, but you really misunderstood me. Like what Ratty said, Bronies are commonly stereotyped as cloppers when most don't even think about it, and furries aren't usually sexual at all. Both are just judged by misconceptive media who think all of them are sexual.

Also, I'm pretty sure it's not 20%. 10 at most. I agree with Rapid, I do tolerate cloppers but I dont like how the media portrays all of us as them. I don't hate on cloppers, but I don't like them either.


Ah my apologies then, I thought you were saying that all furries where into yiffing and other somewhat strange things.

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 09:48 PM

Cloppers make a very small percentage of bronies

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 12:14 AM

Self-identified explains it all...

Like in my previous post, majority of cloppers wouldn't admit they're cloppers. If I was I wouldn't admit it, since the media and even many bronies are hating on them.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 06:58 AM

Howard Stern is an idiot anyway. He probably just wanted to mess with a large community of fans as a publicity stunt. Unfortunately bronies were the target.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 07:43 AM

I couldn't get 2 minutes into that video. Buck Howard Stern and his little show of his!

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 08:19 AM

It was really rude what they did, but what offended me most was how they made fun of that depressed guy and how they picked on some of their personal lives.

I mean I can take a bit of teasing, but when it gets personal it gets personal. Howard has no right doing that when he endorses sex dolls (as someone stated).

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 01:01 PM

Does it really matter? I mean, we've seen this happen a lot of times, what with FOX news doing it and then those three Republican guys (not to say Republicans are bad, just makes it easier to identify these three,) lots of Newgrounds flash artists and a whole bunch of anti-brony groups who just don't like us at all. And is there any doubt that Family Guy will call us out at some point?

The point is that we just get on loving and tolerating, like Pivot and Tara Strong said, even cloppers.

But really, Family Guy probably already has a brony joke in next Sunday's script.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 05:02 PM

This is Howard Stern's style, it always has been. We are talking about America after all where sensationalism sells better then just getting facts from your source of media.

Sadly the reaction to this video also brings out another point which is a larger part of the problem as a whole.

We take ourselves to seriously, honestly guys I don't know about you but we are not a "movement" we are not something people need to be "converted" to.

Love and Tolerance is complete bull and we need to stop forcing down everyone's throat.

We put too much faith into this show that we are becoming almost irrational zealots. This is a show about cartoon ponies, it has its good bits and it has flaws. It is not some kind of almighty reckoning that will usher in the golden age or something.

There has been better and more developed cartoon shows in the past which MLP can hardly live up to. We really need to focus and put things into perspective.

Just enjoy it for what it is, and don't worry about what other people think.



Que sera sera.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 05:36 PM

I think the Family Guy jokes will be funny, though. I also agree with Caventh in that we are trying to make ourselves bigger than we are. We ARE special (I mean what pony show have dudes liked?), but this is no reason to kill our number 1 rule (love and tolerate) by making other people agree with us.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 06:16 PM

Love and Tolerance is complete bull and we need to stop forcing down everyone's throat.


Love and Tolerance is a great rule to live by regardless of whether or not you're a brony.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 08:51 PM

Love and Tolerance is complete bull and we need to stop forcing down everyone's throat.


Getting a bit off topic here, but I agree completely. My views on this catchphrase are pretty close to those expressed in this article:

http://www.mlponies....nd-other-myths/

TL;DR FIM is not about love and tolerance, and it would be a worse show if it was.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 11:00 PM

TL;DR FIM is not about love and tolerance, and it would be a worse show if it was.


I completely agree with that. If you force love and tolerance down people's throat, chances are the person will blow you off.

Edited by Rapidfire, 23 July 2012 - 01:45 AM.


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Posted 23 July 2012 - 07:11 AM

I completely agree with that. If you force love and tolerance down people's throat, chances are the person will blow you off.


Blow you off? (If you knkw what i mean faic) Anyway, quite true, you cannot force feed people stuff, not love tolerance, not anything.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 08:04 AM

Tommy, you made that connection, it was not intentional on my part but still funny how you thought of it.

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 02:55 PM

Getting a bit off topic here, but I agree completely. My views on this catchphrase are pretty close to those expressed in this article:

http://www.mlponies....nd-other-myths/

TL;DR FIM is not about love and tolerance, and it would be a worse show if it was.


Yeah.

Nightmare Moon: Ha ha! I have all of the Elements of Harmony! I'm going to plunge Equestria into darkness!
Twilight: Okay. I don't like it, but you have a right to your own opinion and as a respectful, adult mare I have to tolerate that.
*Equestria descends into chaos and the series ends with a still of Nightmare Moon eating fried Celestia wings*

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 09:20 PM

Lol. So true. Anyways the article helped me to understand a little bit more about MLP and its themes

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 01:43 AM

Yeah, I think it's that it's great to love, but tolerance is probably unnecessary. When someone is legitimately a jerk or has a reason to argue with you, it's okay to hate, and do something about them.

And it doesn't stop with what I said about Nightmare Moon. The Ursa Minor would have made the wreckage of Ponyville Town Hall its nest, Discord AND Nightmare Moon would be ruling together in darkness as well as chaos, and then given birth to Queen Chrysalis and the first changeling. Rarity would be a slave to the diamond dogs, and Equestria's entire economy would be controlled from the shadows by Flim and Flam in a shady, cider based operation.

Yep, how 'bout that love and tolerance, am I right?

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 02:13 AM

While Howard Stern made me angry due to his ignorance, I couldn't hate him for long. Stupidity is a useless thing to hate. Everyone's a bit stupid, some more than others. If everyone hated stupidity, we'd all hate each other. And while Howard Stern is a ridiculous, idiotic person, hating him would be about as pointless as hating a box of rocks.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 08:07 AM

I disagree with just about every post above and to the previous page (stopping at my post obviously).

First of all, love and tolerance DOES have an indirect relationship with FiM. Bronies are an easy and I mean EASY target to hate on. Hence the motto 'love and tolerate' was put into play to combat the haters in a mature fashion.

Spiffington's post was, in my opinion, confused. Without a conflict, how do you expect a cartoon to be created? Discord and Changelings have absolutely nothing to do with our motto's.

To regard the previous page...: What do you mean "force love and tolerance down their throats"? That's an enormously contradictory thing to say. Love and tolerance is about tolerating the haters, and love is in there to tell us not to hate. I agree with whoever said its a great motto to live by. Also, it's certainly not "complete bullcrap" as someone kindly guessed, it is a mature and smart move which will save time and get the haters off your back.

FaffleMaster is also one of the few who know their stuff. As Mark Twain said, "Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you to their level and beat you by experience".

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 10:25 AM

What do you mean "force love and tolerance down their throats"?

This means exactly what you are doing with this post. Implying "love and tolerate" should be the motto of everyone in the fandom, saying that it is "our number 1 rule", that it is that it was in some way "put in place". Disagreeing viciously with anyone who doesn't share that opinion. Insidiously splitting the community up into "Bronies" who "love and tolerate" and "haters" who don't. That sort of thing. It's the language of blinkered zealotry and is extremely offputting both to fellow members of the fandom and outside observers.

one of the few who know their stuff

Way to ad hominem the rest of us.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 11:16 AM

Posted Image


Could somebody please write out the percentages to each label on the first chart? I'm colourblind and can't tell which is which.

Edited by Ainsley Harriott, 24 July 2012 - 11:16 AM.


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Posted 24 July 2012 - 11:20 AM

I got your back Ainsley:
Chart 1:
Asexual/Unsure- 6.90%

Heterosexual- 81.48%

Bisexual- 7.66%

Homosexual- 2.44%

Pansexual- 1.52%

Chart 2:
No- 86.86%

Yes- 13.14%

Hope that helps.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 11:21 AM

Thank you very much!

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 11:26 AM

Could somebody please write out the percentages to each label on the first chart? I'm colourblind and can't tell which is which.

From left to right
Bisexual 7.66
Homosexual 2.44
Pansexual 1.52
Asexual/unsure 6.90
HetroSexual 81.48

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 11:29 AM

What offput me most about mlp at first were the zealot fans who took this show too seriously. Got me really bitter about the show to start with and it wasnt until my gf made me sit down and watch it with her I realized it wasnt as bad as I thought. 6 months later my friend sends me links to episode 1. Got hooked and became a brony. Lesson learned, make your own decisions in life and respect other people's. Next, forcing something is gonna make someone really angry at you. Lastly, dont be a zealot it is really offputting to other people.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 11:59 AM

From left to right
Bisexual 7.66
Homosexual 2.44
Pansexual 1.52
Asexual/unsure 6.90
HetroSexual 81.48

Ninja'd you there paranoid.

Edited by RoyalInBlue, 24 July 2012 - 11:59 AM.


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Posted 24 July 2012 - 07:06 PM

Verdana;

I never viciously replied, I don't know where you got that from. Also, you are making things up. I never said anything about HAVING to follow by love and tolerance, I encouraged it and defended it. You need to re-read my post and notice how not once did I say "it's our motto", rather I said "it's a great motto to have".

I also never said that anyone who doesn't go by that motto is a hater. I said it's a great motto to have to combat haters (people who hate on us for liking mlp).

I apologize you couldn't reply without bending my words to fit your post's accusations, but I suggest you thoroughly read my post next time.

I didn't ad hominem the rest of you, I simply pointed out the people who were making sense and not the people who weren't.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 10:05 PM

While Howard Stern made me angry due to his ignorance, I couldn't hate him for long. Stupidity is a useless thing to hate.

Quite the contrary, Stern & Co. are not stupid. Their job is to provoke and get a reaction, and entertain those who aren't being victimised. He's done enough research to do that effectively and is really quite clever. He knows what makes an audience tick.

It's the people that believe him unquestioningly that you might call stupid, but those folks are just looking for some light-hearted entertainment.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 03:22 AM

That's a very good way to look at things, Hazzat. Although, I think by stupidity Faffle meant the stupidity of how uninformed Howard was of bronies. Sure, it's a smart way to appeal to audiences, but when I say he's stupid I mean he's very uninformed on bronies, he's hypocritical when belittling them, and he's very arrogant while addressing them. This is the kind of stupidity I believe Howard is struggling with. From a business point of view, like you said, he was clever.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 06:27 AM

Pivot please try and see this from my point of view, to me it looks like you've come to our forum as a new member and almost immediately started attacking me and my friends. We're all part of the same fandom, but because of a minor difference of opinion your introduction here was to post nasty stuff about us all.

This is what I meant by viscious replies. Perhaps viscious was too harsh a word, but they read like personal attacks to me:

You're an example of how Howard is turning bronies on ourselves.

Directly saying another member is part of the problem.

Also, it's certainly not "complete bullcrap" as someone kindly guessed, it is a mature and smart move which will save time and get the haters off your back.

Obvious sarcasm, implying the person who made the statement was being unkind. Which they weren't.

FaffleMaster is also one of the few who know their stuff. As Mark Twain said, "Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you to their level and beat you by experience".

Implying that the rest of the people in this thread don't know their stuff and are idiots. That's the ad hominem attack I mentioned earlier.

And then you continued when I called you out on it:

Also, you are making things up. I never said anything about HAVING to follow by love and tolerance, I encouraged it and defended it.

Implyiing that I make things up and that I said something I never did.

I apologize you couldn't reply without bending my words to fit your post's accusations, but I suggest you thoroughly read my post next time.

Passive agressive, implying I didn't read your posts and that my accusations are unfounded.

And this is all because of a difference of opinion about a fandom saying!

I honestly liked your oringal post in this thread, but this discussion of love and tolerance has become rather uncivil. Hopefully you can understand my objections to your posts more clearly now (if not my objection to your strong opinions regarding your motto).

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 06:42 AM

Howard Stern everybody well it technically is his job to troll people over the radio

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 06:13 PM

Verdana:

Posting nasty stuff about you all? I'm just standing up for my opinion. I'm not cursing, not name-calling, and below I prove that I didn't even "ad hominem" anyone. I never even added adjectives to my inquiries like you did. Ex: "Viciously, blinkered zealority, offputting". In fact, the only slightly personal attack I did was the last quote you quoted, and that was just sarcasm.

The first quote was from my post about cloppers... I'm not sure how that's supposed to fit into our "love and tolerance" argument. And yes, that brony was a great example of how we were turning on ourselves. I don't see how pointing that out offended you so much, but don't expect me to generalize everything because that will cause people to reply thinking "oh that's not me, better ignore that". Think Londom Bridge, 1616 =P)

Yes, thank you for pointing out that it was sarcasm (like this is). And yes, saying something someone's defending is "complete bullcrap" is unkind and pretty immature. Just disagree, don't attack someone's thoughts directly.

No, Verdana, I was replying to Howard Stern. I was agreeing with Faffle by saying he knew his stuff, and then throwing in Mark Twain's quote. Faffle was replying to Howard Stern, and by saying "don't argue with an idiot" I meant Howard Stern. Honestly I can't see how you mixed that up, but I have a strong feeling it was because you've yet again tried to mold my words into what you want them to say.

You said, in quote, "Implying 'love and tolerate' should be the motto of everyone in the fandom". So yeah, you did say that. And furthermore, you were making things up since you falsely accused me of implying the above quote.

Honestly I don't see why you're analyzing this as opposed to displaying your counter-argument, but I'll regard this anyway. It was sarcastic, not passive aggressive. If it was passive-aggressive, I don't see it as terribly offensive. And yes, your reply to my previous post made it seem like you hadn't read half my post.

It isn't exactly about a difference of opinion. I wouldn't have gotten sarcastic those two times if I hadn't had been called "vicious, off-putting and nasty". Seriously, for people who are just cruising along posts and not reading the argument, they would get a bad impression on anyone who's called that (so, me).

I'm glad you liked it! That post was much more fun to write then these, and I can accept that you have a differing opinion if you can accept mine. Honestly I wasn't even prepared for someone to retort about my mentioning 'love and tolerance', I would have rather stayed on the first topic I addressed.


Hopefully no hard feelings.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 08:01 PM

Hopefully no hard feelings.

Sure, I didn't understand you were talking about Howard Stern with your Mark Twain quote, so sorry to have jumped to conclusions there, it wasn't clear to me in context that you weren't talkling about the other posters you had just been disagreeing with earlier in you post.

I still feel you're misrepresnting me saying I was making something up, you calling love and tolerance our number one rule does imply to me that you think everyone should follow it, and you must admit you've defended that position quite zealously (as anyone would be able to see reading the last few pages of this thread). I personally disagree, but it is your opinion! Saying you didn't imply that seems disingenuous.

Anyhow, lets try and move on.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 01:03 PM

I'm glad that the media is neutral here in germany...

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 03:56 AM

Something tells me Ratty knew this would start an argument... Hmmm...

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 04:13 AM

Just be glad everything's sorted out now.

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 07:14 AM

I hate Howard Stern he's nothing but an out of touch shock jock just interested in making controversies, he wouldn't know talent if it bit him on the ass. He certainly can't do anything respectful or even attempt to understand groups he "reports" on. Hell he made fun of Howie Mandel while the poor OCD guy was having a panic attack on his show.

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 04:18 AM

he wouldn't know talent if it bit him on the ass.


You're not giving him credit, he judges America's Got Talent. But you're right. Really all this has done is make us talk about cloppers and how they are terrible/aren't terrible. It might have a good outcome, but really I think that now we can just say Howard Stern's a jerk and then leave it at that.

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 09:24 AM

i love how they cut when they talk about cloppers..

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 06:37 PM

You're not giving him credit, he judges America's Got Talent. But you're right. Really all this has done is make us talk about cloppers and how they are terrible/aren't terrible. It might have a good outcome, but really I think that now we can just say Howard Stern's a jerk and then leave it at that.

I gave up on America's Got Talent even before he started judging, Shannon and Pierce are good judges but they go through judge 3's faster than Hogwarts goes through Defense against the Dark Arts teachers. Stern dosn't deserve much more attention from me Shock Jocks aren't that interesting.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 12:05 AM

This guy sums up my entire argument for cloppers here: https://i.chzbgr.com...kHSfGNXx0Q2.png

Had the exact same thing in mind I did, I'm glad this picture has reached the eyes of thousands thanks to memebase.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 04:31 AM

This mentions the interview in a very brief portion, but the video centers around the same thing. For those of you who haven't seen it yet, of course, the clip reviewed is not nearly as out-of-hand dumb as the Howard Stern clip, but the same arguments in this video could be made to it as well.


Edited by Pip, 11 August 2012 - 04:38 AM.


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Posted 11 August 2012 - 07:06 AM

"Mr. Stern,

I cannot express my anger for you. So I'll do my best to type coherently. I speak on behalf of the brony community. I'm sure you've recieved hundreds (if not thousands) of emails from my fellow bronies about your misinformed and ridiculous comments on bronies from this little number (!), but let me just go ahead and reiterate what I'm sure they've all told you.

ONE: We are not all cloppers. While there are some in the community who do partake in this (which is their own choice I guess, even though personally I think it's pretty deviant and weird), it is certainly not what makes someone a brony. Someone who clops is likely satisfying their own fetishes or what have you, and are just using the MLP fan community as an outlet for that. Which, again, I'm not opposed to, but personally I don't partake in it. And personally, I'm more of a brony than anyone I know. By the way, if you only ask questions about MASTURBATION and SEX, you're going to get answers about MASTURBATION and SEX. Why didn't you ask about what we stand for, or something more worthwhile?

TWO: Would you please ask a brony what they believe the brony community stands for? Because not once, NOT ONCE, did you ask anyone at the con what they think that is. Well you're in luck, cause I'm going to tell you. Bronies make up an interlocked community of people looking out for each other. Our motto is: Love and Tolerance. The best way to deal with senseless haters like you? Love and tolerate them. No matter who a given person is, they are always welcomed into the brony community, and are loved and tolerated. There is NOTHING deviant about firmly believing in the gospel of love and tolerance this show preaches.

You should be ashamed of yourself for posting the slander that you created into this world. Because of what you've done, you've may well have silenced many who have embraced the show, making them believe that they are somehow misguided and even wrong for enjoying the show and it's message. How would you feel if the 28 year old you interviewed who suffered from depression heard the interview online later, and what you were saying about bronies (and him, a fellow brony)? What if the brony community was the only thing keeping him anchored to this world? What if maybe, just maybe, this show and it's community was actually helping him through a serious clinical disorder that was pushing him to commit self harm on himself? Maybe even suicide? Did you ever consider that maybe that's why he took the time to travel all the way out to bronycon? To be with a community of unconditional love and acceptance, who would perhaps help him through his very dark times? No, of course you didn't. Or else you wouldn't have slammed every single brony the way you did.

I've heard about you from my father and other people I know. UNIVERSALLY, I've only heard negative things about you. When I did hear those things, I always disregarded them. After hearing this twisted, messed up interpretation on something so close to my heart, I know I'll never take you seriously for the rest of my life. I am a very accepting and peaceful person, and I literally never get angry at people. When I do, I usually keep to myself and let it simmer down privately. I cannot do this with you. You are the most insensitive, unconsidering, misinformed man I've ever heard in any type of media, and the fact that you have your own radio program and are allowed to throw the garbage you call programming into the world is, frankly, astonishing. For the rest of my life, I will always associate the name Howard Stern and the Howard Stern Show with illegitimacy, misinterpretation, ruthlessness, cruelty, and jerks, like you.

However, as a brony, I would like you to know that I tolerate the fact that you will always be spewing filth into the world, and there's not much I can do about it, other than offer you this message in hopes that you will reconsider your ways. It's not too late, of course (it's never too late), to take back what you said, but I can't see you doing that. Not you.

I'm a 17 year old male, by the way, and I was at the last bronycon and will be attending the next one. Please look for me there. I'll have some choice words for your fucking interview, and I'll defend myself and my fellow bronies against whatever misinformed question you throw at me."



I emailed this to robert stern upon finishing the video.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 09:14 AM

Gonna stop you RIGHT there eighth.

1) Mr.stern has been doing this for years, he is a shock jock, and this kind of response is what he was looking for,

2) The interviews here were NOT recorded at bronycon, nor was there evidence that they were even real bronies.

3) This show has no official gospel.

4) If you went to your father and friends about him, you would have known that he basically feeds off of rage.

I'm not against you, but it's these kinds of reactions that keeps him going, and don't be surprised if this and several other emails become part if a new segment about brony butthurt. Once again, I am not against you. But it's being quiet that will shut him up.

Oh, and of COURSE he isn't going to ask questions that makes us look good, when he is out to piss us off.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 09:23 AM

I agree with both posts above. What we bronies fail to understand is that he's not doing a "report on bronies". If he was, he'd actually acquire accurate information. He's doing a fictional report on bronies with the goal in mind to piss us off. And he succeeded.

He's doing a "negative report on bronies". Don't expect to find positivism or anything "for" us in a negative report. I'm as ticked off about what he did as you are though, Eighth.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 05:17 AM

Gonna stop you RIGHT there eighth.

1) Mr.stern has been doing this for years, he is a shock jock, and this kind of response is what he was looking for,

2) The interviews here were NOT recorded at bronycon, nor was there evidence that they were even real bronies.

3) This show has no official gospel.

4) If you went to your father and friends about him, you would have known that he basically feeds off of rage.

I'm not against you, but it's these kinds of reactions that keeps him going, and don't be surprised if this and several other emails become part if a new segment about brony butthurt. Once again, I am not against you. But it's being quiet that will shut him up.

Oh, and of COURSE he isn't going to ask questions that makes us look good, when he is out to piss us off.


Fair enough, I actually hadn't heard that he was like that from the people I've talked to but it does make sense. I've literally never been that angry at anyone before, especially since becoming a brony, and I just needed to say what I had to say. What's done is done, I guess. I seriously can't stand him. What a douche.


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