OC Character Debate thread.
#1
Posted 23 March 2012 - 01:01 AM
to effectively use this thread, just post a reply, stating the details of why your OC is/isnt overpowered, and we will answer.
PLEASE DO NOT TURN THIS INTO A CIRCUS
#2
Posted 23 March 2012 - 01:21 AM
Edited by adwrynn, 25 April 2012 - 06:20 AM.
#3
Posted 23 March 2012 - 01:25 AM
#4
Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:04 AM
#5
Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:04 AM
well.....i mean not every alicorn can rise sun and moon ._. CELESTIA IS THE OVERPOWERED xD i mean alicorns are just unicorns with wings so more hybried xD and im necromancer wohow......brainless idiots around me....my special power wohow...
Yes but it is common knowledge that an Alicorn has far greater prowess in speed/strength than other ponies. That and there are only 3 cannon Alicorns. My biggest problem with Alicorns is that it shows that the person it's representing is not humble. You can do a lot and have fun without being a super-crazy-strong being, and generally people will be much more willing to include you.
In short, when people are RP'ing, and an Alicorn shows up, it always rubs people the wrong way.
Also this:
http://www.brohoof.c...dpost__p__87697
http://www.brohoof.c...dpost__p__91833
In my experience people who actually do make blatantly OP characters like that and then defend them tend to be young. This point has been proven to me time and time again. It's just a gesture of immaturity to introduce something that is a higher level than those around you into an RP(if it wasn't already supposed to be there).
#6
Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:14 AM
Hell, Celestia could fix most of the problems in Ponyville with a wave of her horn, but instead she lets Twilight and her friends take care of it. Why? Because it makes for more interesting story and character development.
#7
Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:14 AM
#8
Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:16 AM
Wat? 3 alicorns? I only know of Celestia and Luna, whos the third?
Also this.
#9
Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:17 AM
Wat? 3 alicorns? I only know of Celestia and Luna, whos the third?
http://mlp.wikia.com...rincess_Cadence
#10
Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:19 AM
#11
Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:22 AM
Yes but it is common knowledge that an Alicorn has far greater prowess in speed/strength than other ponies. That and there are only 3 cannon Alicorns. My biggest problem with Alicorns is that it shows that the person it's representing is not humble. You can do a lot and have fun without being a super-crazy-strong being, and generally people will be much more willing to include you.
In short, when people are RP'ing, and an Alicorn shows up, it always rubs people the wrong way.
Also this:
http://www.brohoof.c...dpost__p__87697
http://www.brohoof.c...dpost__p__91833
In my experience people who actually do make blatantly OP characters like that and then defend them tend to be young. This point has been proven to me time and time again. It's just a gesture of immaturity to introduce something that is a higher level than those around you into an RP(if it wasn't already supposed to be there).
i agree well....but i play me very well xD the character is me xD i am a monster
#12
Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:29 AM
i am a monster
Precisely why nobody will want to RP with you.
#13
Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:36 AM
I'd honestly much rather RP with a character who can't do anything right or doesn't have any sort of social skills than one that demands love and attention from everypony.
Edited by Alastyrr, 23 March 2012 - 02:37 AM.
#14
Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:49 AM
Self-inserts are rarely well-fleshed out characters. In fact, they tend to be more bland than your mind's creations, as there's not as much to play around with in terms of personality and such. The opposite goes for characters who are flawed, imperfect.
I'd honestly much rather RP with a character who can't do anything right or doesn't have any sort of social skills than one that demands love and attention from everypony.
normal is boring -___-
Precisely why nobody will want to RP with you.
and why do they keep doing?
aaaany way everyone has ther abiletys so has celestia (op beast) but well should we not love an tolerate? ._. i mean ohkay specials...wow you could keep it short what can you do and not such as I RISE MOOON WOHOW ..... all i can do is summon brainless zombies <.< does that mean im op?
*shrugs* well ohkay if you want to get angry bout ppl who have a OC thats an alicorn....yes yes... well then gn8 my dear op alicorns, the alicorn haters and those who wants to hate... aaalso dont be shy to be alicorn but keep your specials short
#15
Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:52 AM
all i can do is summon brainless zombies <.< does that mean im op?
Compared to your average pony, re-animating corpses is pretty massively OP.
#16
Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:53 AM
No.
When an author makes a character, he makes it so there's room for that character to grow, so there's room for the story to take on a life of its own. RP is no different; it's simply an interactive story.
No best-selling book today has gotten to where it is because the characters were perfect at the beginning of the story.
..Well, except for Twilight, but I try not to include that scourge of a series in things.
#17
Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:59 AM
#18
Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:00 AM
I think it's fun to have my character be a normal, average person (earth pony), and nurture his abilities, strengths, and weaknesses to ultimately mold a deep character as real as you or me, and as useful as any flying or magic pony
#19
Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:01 AM
I agree with Al up there, the humbler, the better, I mean just look at my OC Dusty, he has no powers and his special talent is hugging. Point being, you don't have to be a beast to have fun.
gimme hug Q.Q
#20
Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:01 AM
"Custom Alicorns are not to be used in the RP’s, unless everyone in the RP agrees to it and the RP leader allows it. (alicorn skins for wandering around equestria outside of roleplay is fine, but you will most likely be asked to change when you enter a roleplay)
Broken Alicorns (eg, ones with no magical powers or the inability to fly) follows the above rule. When playing a broken alicorn you must remain broken. unless prompted otherwise by the roleplay leader. (eg. no "bumping your head and regaining your magic when things start to go downhill for your character)
Celestia and Luna are on a first-come-first-served basis, but their use MUST be allowed by the RP Leader.
Alicorns that also involve the use of tech. ex. a unicorn with mechanical wings. will also fall under the alicorn rule."
I agree with you Alastyrr! (We both know about Lavinia XD). Ok, I will admit, I have yet to make an OC and I most often use Noteworthy, my avatar and my favorite background pony. Not many people know about him (There are only, like, 5 pictures of him on google XD), but that's the beauty in it! I can make his personality form to be whatever I want him to be! Or, rather, allow him to grow in my mind and create an incredibly individual pony with a history as intricate as any of the main characters'.
I think it's fun to have my character be a normal, average person (earth pony), and nurture his abilities, strengths, and weaknesses to ultimately mold a deep character as real as you or me, and as useful as any flying or magic pony.
Also that says pretty much everything that needs to be said. /thumbs up.
Edited by Alastyrr, 23 March 2012 - 03:02 AM.
#21
Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:03 AM
#22
Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:04 AM
*Hugs Lilly*
thanks i needed it ._.
#23
Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:06 AM
That sounds like a flaw to me.
#24
Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:08 AM
#25
Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:09 AM
earth/uni + mechanical = Alicorn rule
earth/uni + butterfly wings = no alicorn
earth/uni + feathery wings = alicorn rule
is that right?
#26
Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:09 AM
Either one sounds like a good start to a villain, hero, helpful support character, or one that others seek to amend the damage of. Still, the exact same could be true with any earth pony, unicorn, or pegasus, although the adjustment factor might not be there to such a great extent.
Edited by Noteworthy, 23 March 2012 - 03:12 AM.
#27
Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:10 AM
You already know that no one's going to take kindly to the OC, so just start from scratch. Who knows, you might actually like what you come up with.
#28
Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:11 AM
#29
Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:13 AM
#30
Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:13 AM
I formed basic ideas in my head, wrote them down and stuck him into an RP and let him branch out from there.
Quite literally, Slash is the first pony I've RP'd as.
#31
Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:15 AM
#32
Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:17 AM
He's broke
He has serious post dramatic stress disorder
he's stubborn and hates most people (there are exceptions though. like regulars at the bar he runs)
he can't let go of his past.
Yeah. He isn't Super amazing powerful. but he's also NOT normal.
#33
Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:18 AM
Edited by CaptainSnowman, 23 March 2012 - 03:20 AM.
#34
Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:25 AM
#35
Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:30 AM
#36
Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:34 AM
i make it even worser i think...someone broke my heart...someone showed me who i realy are....wow...since them my real life gets better and i bully the ppl to shit o.o wait......naaaaah~ i dont bully...i...show them that you never should hurt the feelings of a monster^^Since my character has been mentioned I feel the need to pop into here my character has a mechanical leg. Do you know how easy it would be for me to use that and make her an overpowered cyborg. The leg is one leg that only replaces the functions of her lost leg she also was originally an Alicorn with mechanical wings that she created (but I took that out for the same reason as the cyborg. Lilly I feel for you I really do but why are you attacking the admins who don't want god modding players, I've been roleplaying for awhile and I hate characters that are overpowered and honestly raising the dead an Alicorn with dominion over the dead is really overpowered it's like someone playing a demon then whining "Demons are immortal".
*pokes my undead slaves* hey.....what do you mean am i overpowered? Oh right....im just alone mwahahahaha..... >.>
i feel like i made a drama.... im sorry.... x.x i cant stop i mean .....ahhhh buck it it was to much wine for me.....see what patches made out of me...even if i summon dead bodys does they even listen to me? *keeps poking the undead* well wow i only can rise the undead at night...they allways atack theyreselfs and then? they ate theyreself....what a shame....and so i wanted to take Equestria...i think i need to study one more or stay on that castle i build.....woooohow.... phew....i....just wanted.....yeah i just wanted.....
see....im still me...and im still my oc
Edited by Lilly Chaos, 23 March 2012 - 03:34 AM.
#37
Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:35 AM
#38
Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:37 AM
#39
Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:42 AM
#40
Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:44 AM
#41
Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:46 AM
#42
Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:48 AM
#43
Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:54 AM
#44
Posted 23 March 2012 - 04:00 AM
Well if one were to make an Rp using alicorns i would suggest something like the mount Olympus where everypony had it's own god powers
the good and the evil ~
Noteworthy i smell intresting rp....and i feel like i could do one again too ._.
#45
Posted 23 March 2012 - 04:00 AM
#46
Posted 23 March 2012 - 04:03 AM
#47
Posted 23 March 2012 - 04:09 AM
#48
Posted 23 March 2012 - 04:36 AM
Also, Tuxedo Sleek as a name is slowly growing on me.
#49
Posted 23 March 2012 - 07:32 AM
On an official note:
The reason Alicorns are frowned upon is because they are so overpowered.
But, if played correctly, they can make an excellent addition to the storyline.
eg: Celestia or Luna.
Both of whom could/can do anything they wanted to, any time they wanted to, to anything they wanted to.
And yet they don't.
These are examples of good Alicorn OC's.
Examples of bad OC's are the ones that can destroy the world, or those that break the cannon.
Or, those that have no drawbacks.
When I mean drawbacks I mean things such as the broken alicorns (the ones without wings/magic) or an OC that has a mental problem, like depression etc, something to offset their powers, bringing them back into balance.
In conclusion:
The reason that most experienced RPers don't like to play along side Alicorns is that, when used wrong, can wreck an entire RP in a short space of time.
And so, it is generally expected that an OC is either an Earth Pony, Unicorn or Pegasus.
I hope this solves a few problems.
Kind regards,
-Vantomz001-
#50
Posted 23 March 2012 - 12:39 PM
Like yours truly, Noteworthy!
Edited by Noteworthy, 23 March 2012 - 12:39 PM.
#51
Posted 23 March 2012 - 12:41 PM
#52
Posted 23 March 2012 - 01:57 PM
Um, pardon me, but did the OC thread say something about background characters? How if you took a background pony who was not well-known and made a history with him, he/she counts as an OC?
Indeed they do.
Until such a time as an official background for them comes out, of course.
#53
Posted 24 March 2012 - 02:57 AM
#54
Posted 24 March 2012 - 03:20 AM
#55
Posted 24 March 2012 - 05:07 AM
#56
Posted 26 March 2012 - 01:30 AM
#57
Posted 01 April 2012 - 12:14 AM
Yes, there are several features that make the alicorn species naturally more powerful than everypony else, but that should not automatically exclude their existence from role-play as original characters, you should first evaluate the skill of the player and whether or not they can keep their character in check with the theme of the story. If they can't manage to play without meta-gaming and god-modding as an alicorn, then what's to say they won't do it as an earth pony?
I find it brazen that anypony would deny someone the use of their OC just because they can't imagine the existence of a character type having enough flaws to balance out its natural prowess. If you can come up with enough negative factors that make your character just as mortal as any other pony, I don't have any problem with it being an alicorn, personally.
#58
Posted 01 April 2012 - 12:30 AM
I dislike the fact that this discussion even must exist. my OC is an alicorn, but his powers only go so far as to be able to bring raging weather under control, and even that much requires a great amount of effort on his part. He is just as susceptible to the fates that can befall any other pony, and there is no point at which I would ever meta-game to put him in a position to be instantly better than anypony else.
Yes, there are several features that make the alicorn species naturally more powerful than everypony else, but that should not automatically exclude their existence from role-play as original characters, you should first evaluate the skill of the player and whether or not they can keep their character in check with the theme of the story. If they can't manage to play without meta-gaming and god-modding as an alicorn, then what's to say they won't do it as an earth pony?
I find it brazen that anypony would deny someone the use of their OC just because they can't imagine the existence of a character type having enough flaws to balance out its natural prowess. If you can come up with enough negative factors that make your character just as mortal as any other pony, I don't have any problem with it being an alicorn, personally.
i see your logic, and it is sound, but you must understandsome people dont have your mindset when it comes to alicorns, and that is more for them. its more in part the fact that alicorns have so much potential for chaos and gamebreaking magic, that if the person gets angry or dislikes what is going on in a roleplay, they can be all like " oh i just discovered i can do this" and start manipulating the story.according to their whims. and that is why most of the people in roleplay dislike the use of alicorns as OC's for the sole reason that they dont want to risk the player "misusing" their powers and breaking the story. its more a preemptive safeguard against breaking stories.
#59
Posted 01 April 2012 - 01:04 AM
Not to mention, stereotypes tend to control how most people think. I'll admit there are always exceptions to the rule, but for the most part people generally have an idea of what to expect, and they almost never expect it to be good.
If you can make a brilliantly balanced and believable alicorn, then I applaud you; and I can understand your irritation at people's skepticism toward them.
Just don't be terribly surprised when it happens.
Edited by Alastyrr, 01 April 2012 - 01:04 AM.
#60
Posted 01 April 2012 - 03:43 AM
I agree with what Adwrynn said, and also want to mention, it's hard to take an alicorn RPer seriously when their grammar makes my eyes bleed and it takes me five read-throughs just to figure out what they're trying to tell me. I might be exaggerating the point a bit, but I'm sure you understand.
Not to mention, stereotypes tend to control how most people think. I'll admit there are always exceptions to the rule, but for the most part people generally have an idea of what to expect, and they almost never expect it to be good.
If you can make a brilliantly balanced and believable alicorn, then I applaud you; and I can understand your irritation at people's skepticism toward them.
Just don't be terribly surprised when it happens.
this is exactly what i mean to say... i applaud your explanation. i couldnt have said it better myself.
#61
Posted 01 April 2012 - 07:04 AM
EDIT: I was sorely mistaken, he does have weaknesses, why must I make mistakes at everything?
Edited by Blazer, 01 April 2012 - 07:09 AM.
#62
Posted 01 April 2012 - 07:08 AM
#63
Posted 01 April 2012 - 07:10 AM
#64
Posted 01 April 2012 - 08:41 AM
Once again I apologize if it makes me sound too defensive, but i just wanted to clear my name.
#65
Posted 01 April 2012 - 08:44 AM
#66
Posted 01 April 2012 - 09:05 AM
#67
Posted 01 April 2012 - 09:08 AM
#68
Posted 03 April 2012 - 03:55 PM
#69
Posted 03 April 2012 - 05:17 PM
An OC being a cousin/sister/brother/thirduncletwiceremoved of Rainbow Dash is a big cliche for any OC. It doesn't make him overpowered (unless you say he's faster than/as fast as RD), but even being a cousin just makes people like my good self facepalm.Do you think neons overpowerd hes pretty normal appart from being rds cousin.
Edited by Squint, 03 April 2012 - 05:22 PM.
#70
Posted 03 April 2012 - 05:18 PM
EDIT:fixed.
Edited by floodblade1234, 03 April 2012 - 05:22 PM.
#71
Posted 03 April 2012 - 11:33 PM
An OC being a cousin/sister/brother/thirduncletwiceremoved of Rainbow Dash is a big cliche for any OC. It doesn't make him overpowered (unless you say he's faster than/as fast as RD), but even being a cousin just makes people like my good self facepalm.
really its not the concept of being overpowered, its more the concept of breaking canon. but im not quite sure. i dont know exactly what our stance is on being related to one of the mane 6 through family relations. but seeing as it's vague, im still going to say im skeptical.
#72
Posted 18 April 2012 - 04:19 AM
http://fc08.devianta...rux-d41t3f2.png
With this cutie mark.
http://image.shutter...sh-74464945.jpg
Hopefully this is in the right place if not sorry.
#73
Posted 18 April 2012 - 07:42 AM
http://www.brohoof.c...an-skin-thread/
if not, then you dont really need to do amything more than a simple photoshop cut and paste over the old cutiemark for the photo. otherwise, i still dont quite know what you want.
#74
Posted 22 April 2012 - 02:04 AM
Edited by Snopes13, 22 April 2012 - 02:04 AM.
#75
Posted 22 April 2012 - 02:05 AM
I have actually been told I cant have a Alicorn as my OC because it was breaking Canon... Is it really that important to stay in line with "canon" when rping?
Staying in line with the "canon" is the most important thing when roleplaying.
#76
Posted 22 April 2012 - 10:13 AM
#77
Posted 22 April 2012 - 10:31 AM
Yes but not so much as with your character that you make up... it should be free of choice :/
No, you must be even more careful not to break canon with your OC.
Think of it as we are all background ponies, we do not use the Elements of Harmony to defeat Discord etc.
Back to your statement that you were told that you cannot use your alicorn when roleplaying:
You can only use an alicorn OC if everyone in the RP agrees, along with the RP leader. Even then, your OC my have to be "broken".
See the New Rules Sheet Thread for more info:
http://www.brohoof.c...rp-rules-sheet/
#78
Posted 24 April 2012 - 02:55 AM
#79
Posted 24 April 2012 - 06:29 AM
Quick question about changelings as OCs: is it alright for them to have a third pony form if they never go into their regular changeling form? Sorry if I'm asking in the wrong thread.
this is the correct thread.
you may want to keep you're OC changeling forms 2 maximum, excluding the /default/ changeling forms. because it may end up getting confusing when too many forms are used.
believe me, i know from experience, and too many forms of a shape changer will just spawn confusion and arguements.
#80
Posted 24 April 2012 - 11:33 AM
#81
Posted 25 April 2012 - 05:46 AM
Okay I get it now... and I did have a backup story but this guy said that I couldn't no matter what :/ again ThanksNo, you must be even more careful not to break canon with your OC.
Think of it as we are all background ponies, we do not use the Elements of Harmony to defeat Discord etc.
Back to your statement that you were told that you cannot use your alicorn when roleplaying:
You can only use an alicorn OC if everyone in the RP agrees, along with the RP leader. Even then, your OC my have to be "broken".
See the New Rules Sheet Thread for more info:
http://www.brohoof.c...rp-rules-sheet/
#82
Posted 16 June 2012 - 02:22 PM
While I do not support alicorn OCs, I just wanted to point out that I believe there are 4 cannon alicorns. The princess in the Hearts and Hooves Day book is one.
#83
Posted 18 June 2012 - 05:24 PM
Took the words out of my mouth/muzzle. I can be a bit of a grammar freak. Although, as most people have said, I'm not against the existence, of alicorn OCs especially when they are used by experienced, RPers who know how to build characters properly and how to develop a plot, but as this thread has shown, most experienced RPers wouldn't want to use an alicorn OC. One last note, I think that the back-story for the OC would have to be REALLY good, including an explanation as to why this OC is an alicorn in the first place, or perhaps why they are not mentioned in canon.I agree with what Adwrynn said, and also want to mention, it's hard to take an alicorn RPer seriously when their grammar makes my eyes bleed and it takes me five read-throughs just to figure out what they're trying to tell me. I might be exaggerating the point a bit, but I'm sure you understand.
I do realise that the debate about this has ended, I jsut wanted to get my opinion out there
#84
Posted 18 June 2012 - 08:31 PM
#85
Posted 26 September 2012 - 06:20 PM
its basically like a rifle that shoots sonic waves.
(ik its like the bass cannon)
#86
Posted 27 September 2012 - 02:44 AM
Is a treble blaster OP?
its basically like a rifle that shoots sonic waves.
(ik its like the bass cannon)
Depends solely on the details of the cannon itself. If you want a more solid opinion, please give some more details on exactly what the cannon is, what it can do, how it is used, what it uses for ammunition [if any], Ya know... stuff that would allow me to give you a better opinion on whether or not this so called... "treble blaster" is OP or not.
#87
Posted 27 September 2012 - 04:19 PM
OK is doesn't use ammunition it uses sound waves, but it does run out of energy. it takes about an hour to charge. if you turn it up to maximum power it can shatter windows and create a beam like the actual bass cannon, but that uses all of its power. also it is hand-held there's a reason its called a blaster.Depends solely on the details of the cannon itself. If you want a more solid opinion, please give some more details on exactly what the cannon is, what it can do, how it is used, what it uses for ammunition [if any], Ya know... stuff that would allow me to give you a better opinion on whether or not this so called... "treble blaster" is OP or not.
#88
Posted 27 September 2012 - 04:31 PM
I gotta ask, can this bass cannon of your OC defeat Discord?OK is doesn't use ammunition it uses sound waves, but it does run out of energy. it takes about an hour to charge. if you turn it up to maximum power it can shatter windows and create a beam like the actual bass cannon, but that uses all of its power. also it is hand-held there's a reason its called a blaster.
#89
Posted 27 September 2012 - 04:48 PM
No nothing can beat discord except for the elements of harmonyI gotta ask, can this bass cannon of your OC defeat Discord?
plus its not a bass cannon! its hand-held!
Edited by Hydrowolf524, 27 September 2012 - 04:49 PM.
#90
Posted 27 September 2012 - 04:53 PM
good. I thought you'd make it like the video. Seems good to me.No nothing can beat discord except for the elements of harmony
plus its not a bass cannon! its hand-held!
#91
Posted 27 September 2012 - 05:01 PM
lol i learned my lesson after i made an alicorn OC.good. I thought you'd make it like the video. Seems good to me.
(yes i did that but i put it in the fire)
#92
Posted 27 September 2012 - 10:46 PM
#93
Posted 28 September 2012 - 12:57 PM
#94
Posted 06 October 2012 - 02:57 PM
#95
Posted 06 October 2012 - 03:02 PM
#96
Posted 06 October 2012 - 07:39 PM
They're not necessarily "Cheap", more that people tend to OverPower them. A lot of RPers frown upon them since they are usually related to the princess or above all others. If you play it right, however, an Alicorn could be accepted.
Exactly. This is why most alicorns are not allowed in most RPs. because the people that play them cannot handle the power that alicorns possess, and they tend to go overpowered when the situation turns bad for them. Also, on a second note, Alicorn OC's to be used in RP must go through a screening by one of the RP moderators, to determine if it is OP or canon breaking, or any of the sort of things that make alicorns undesireable.
#97
Posted 06 December 2012 - 01:27 PM
#98
Posted 06 December 2012 - 03:12 PM
#99
Posted 06 December 2012 - 03:18 PM
Do bat pegesi exist except for Luna's carriage guys?
I think that is indeed the only mention of the "Bat" pegasi; With luna's Cairrage guys.
#100
Posted 06 December 2012 - 04:12 PM
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