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#101 Luna Lens

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 11:27 PM

King Sombra didn't really give off an evil aura. With other villains like Nightmare Moon and Discord, as stereotypical and--in the case of Discord--as ridiculous as they may be, they got the point across that they were evil. Sombra just didn't have that same ability. It feels like they just thought up of a villain a few days before they had to air the episode.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 08:09 AM

So i was looking at the season 3 episode 1-2 recap on equestriadaily and noticed something quite interesting...

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A crystal pony clearly calls her 'the crystal princess' during the scene. This is an interesting thing to call her, because we can say with some amount of accuracy that Cadance was not alive a thousand years ago when the Crystal Empire vanished, because we see her much younger when she was babysitting Twilight."


anyone else think this is interesting? and not only that...


"Behold, the Crystal Princess!" - random crystal pony: 37:07

Cadence's Cutie mark IS the Crystal Heart. (This pretty much confirms that Cadence is the descendant of the last ruler of the Crystal Empire before the Evil King showed up. Also begs the question if the throne holder truly remains the same, or if they pass on their rule once in a while.)"

so....with that in mind do you think theres more behind this pink alicorn then we know?

Edited by iluvponies35, 14 November 2012 - 08:11 AM.


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Posted 14 November 2012 - 09:11 AM

Either that or she just looks like the old crystal princess and they have her confused. There are a few similar examples like this in other shows and films, but I can't think of any off the top of my head.

Edited by Apell Joke, 14 November 2012 - 09:11 AM.


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Posted 14 November 2012 - 09:20 AM

Either that or she just looks like the old crystal princess and they have her confused. There are a few similar examples like this in other shows and films, but I can't think of any off the top of my head.


you may be right but that still doesnt explain why her cutie mark is the crystal heart.

thats something to think about y'know

Edited by iluvponies35, 14 November 2012 - 09:20 AM.


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Posted 14 November 2012 - 09:23 AM

There's no question that King Sombra could have been a great villain. Even I saw in that short history lesson by Celestia the likeness of Sombra to Sauron from LotR. Going with that thought, imagine if the LotR film trilogy was about a fourteenth of its running length. Would that do Sauron any justice as a villain? I think that's what ultimately happened here. They created a villain that needed a 9.3 hour trilogy but only got a 40 minute two-parter. As a result, King Sombra seemed like a ridiculous villain to many of us.

I really think that this plot would have been better suited for a feature length MLP:FIM film.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 10:41 AM

Lets wait..
If she is implemented in this we will surely know it during s3
But it would make sense.
The Empire needs Love and Hope to spread and her Magic is the pure Love
But it can also be since shes so nice and full of love = cutie mark Crystal Heart

Edited by ScratchVinyl, 14 November 2012 - 10:42 AM.


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Posted 14 November 2012 - 10:50 AM

one thing that makes me wonder: did hasbro INTEND to implement this or are they trying to make our brains melt out of our heads from thinking?

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 11:36 AM

Considering how the start of S3 was rather rushed, i'm pretty sure it was an accidental implementation.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 06:55 PM

you may be right but that still doesnt explain why her cutie mark is the crystal heart.

thats something to think about y'know


Her cutiemark is not the crystal heart the cutiemark or her talent is spreading love or whatever so its just a coincerdence that the cutiemark and crystal heart are blue

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 08:56 PM

Her cutiemark is not the crystal heart the cutiemark or her talent is spreading love or whatever so its just a coincerdence that the cutiemark and crystal heart are blue

Is it really? Would you be willing to put your head on a guillotene to bet you are correct?

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 11:35 PM

Is it really? Would you be willing to put your head on a guillotene to bet you are correct?


uuum...no

[i would say a pretty funny and desturbing joke but i bet im not allowed]

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:37 AM

I don't think it was coincidental. Hasbro is much more deliberate than that.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:55 AM

The Season 3 premier is what I would refer to as a "world building" episode. The primary purpose is to expand on our understanding of Equestria and its borders, denizens, and history. By painting with broad strokes, it accomplishes this and sets a foundation for a large number of stories to come. Will we see more of the Crystal Empire? Ultimately, it doesn't matter. We've already learned huge amounts about the way the setting works. We've established new ways for the powers of love and harmony to be used to power magic outside the Elements of Harmony, while at the same time reinforcing the things we knew about characters old and new.

Friendship is Magic has always been about building something greater than the sum of its parts, and as those parts grow in number, the potential for the series continues to grow. Season 3 looks to be heading in very new and different directions from its earlier roots, and only time will show us exactly where that is. Of course, when it does come to light, we'll be here to dive in deeper and poke at all the little things that makes it tick.

So I guess what I'm saying is, fanfic writers? Get to work.

I copied this from EqD but i would've said it exactly this way!

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:09 PM

All this episode taught me is that I'm still not going to get a season spanning villain /sign

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:01 PM

They are starting to poke around with entire-season arcs, caventh, they have stated that this season is going to be dedicated to twilight sparkles studies, which implies some sort of actual running theme. (No you can't say her letters to Celestia were part of a running theme, they were just there for us to learn a lesson, albeit well placed).

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 05:47 PM

Twilight is magically delicious.... just sayin...

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 08:01 PM

The Season 3 premier is what I would refer to as a "world building" episode. The primary purpose is to expand on our understanding of Equestria and its borders, denizens, and history. By painting with broad strokes, it accomplishes this and sets a foundation for a large number of stories to come. Will we see more of the Crystal Empire? Ultimately, it doesn't matter. We've already learned huge amounts about the way the setting works. We've established new ways for the powers of love and harmony to be used to power magic outside the Elements of Harmony, while at the same time reinforcing the things we knew about characters old and new.

Friendship is Magic has always been about building something greater than the sum of its parts, and as those parts grow in number, the potential for the series continues to grow. Season 3 looks to be heading in very new and different directions from its earlier roots, and only time will show us exactly where that is. Of course, when it does come to light, we'll be here to dive in deeper and poke at all the little things that makes it tick.

So I guess what I'm saying is, fanfic writers? Get to work.

I copied this from EqD but i would've said it exactly this way!


I disagree. The season premiere was a "come buy our new crystal pony toys" episode. World building expands on what is already there and/or connects new things to the old world. The Crystal Empire is neither of those, and it will probably get little more than a mention or two in later episodes; that's not world building.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:45 PM

So i was looking at the season 3 episode 1-2 recap on equestriadaily and noticed something quite interesting...

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A crystal pony clearly calls her 'the crystal princess' during the scene. This is an interesting thing to call her, because we can say with some amount of accuracy that Cadance was not alive a thousand years ago when the Crystal Empire vanished, because we see her much younger when she was babysitting Twilight."


anyone else think this is interesting? and not only that...


"Behold, the Crystal Princess!" - random crystal pony: 37:07

Cadence's Cutie mark IS the Crystal Heart. (This pretty much confirms that Cadence is the descendant of the last ruler of the Crystal Empire before the Evil King showed up. Also begs the question if the throne holder truly remains the same, or if they pass on their rule once in a while.)"

so....with that in mind do you think theres more behind this pink alicorn then we know?


Just because she wasn't alive at the founding of the empire doesn't mean she can't rule it. Royal blood, derp herp.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:50 PM

I disagree. The season premiere was a "come buy our new crystal pony toys" episode. World building expands on what is already there and/or connects new things to the old world. The Crystal Empire is neither of those, and it will probably get little more than a mention or two in later episodes; that's not world building.

I'm sorry Tsar, but the Crystal Empire fits exactly what you said that I have highlighted. It's a region of equestria (new thing) that was previously unknown to the rest of Equestria(old world).

I do however agree with you on the fact that the Crystal Empire was largely a marketing ploy.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:00 AM

I disagree. The season premiere was a "come buy our new crystal pony toys" episode. World building expands on what is already there and/or connects new things to the old world. The Crystal Empire is neither of those, and it will probably get little more than a mention or two in later episodes; that's not world building.

I'm sorry Tsar, but the Crystal Empire fits exactly what you said that I have highlighted. It's a region of equestria (new thing) that was previously unknown to the rest of Equestria(old world).

I do however agree with you on the fact that the Crystal Empire was largely a marketing ploy.

I think we all are thinking too superficially. Either that or too deeply. Obviously if they stuck with a linear Equestria, things would get boring eventually. Yes, the kingdom did appear out of nowhere, however it was there the whole time. Nopony knew of it though under Sombra's curse. I digress, there may be some marketing plot to this. I don't think that is the main drive behind this episode. A whole company does not invest so much money, time, effort, story boarding, and writing just to sell a toy. That's just impractical even from a conglomerate standpoint who can throw money around.

I'm just sitting back and enjoying this season after such a long break. Why do we have to overanalyze EVERYTHING? I'm just grateful we are able to watch the show in the first place.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 06:43 AM

I don't think that is the main drive behind this episode. A whole company does not invest so much money, time, effort, story boarding, and writing just to sell a toy.


Hasbro is a toy company first, and a show producing company second. They introduced a brother to Twilight who had not been mentioned ever before, and a third alicorn never mentioned before no other reason but to sell wedding toys, and both the wedding and latest opener were designed to sell toys.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 08:07 AM

Well, the more I think about Sombra, the less I dislike him.

He still looks like a train wreck of an OC, though.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 08:48 PM

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Hasbro is a toy company first, and a show producing company second. They introduced a brother to Twilight who had not been mentioned ever before, and a third alicorn never mentioned before no other reason but to sell wedding toys, and both the wedding and latest opener were designed to sell toys.

Maybe, we'll never know. I love the idea of a Crystal Empire. I don't really care about the drive behind it. It was a damn good episode.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 10:40 PM

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This is king sombra in a nutshell.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 11:04 PM

I was thouroughly disappointed in the episodes but they did give me a great idea for a christmas present for my niece. Crystal Kingdom Rainbow Dash :3. Anyway there was so much they could have done to make the story alot better I mean the idea of Sombra's horn being used to infiltrate the barrier (horn chunk I mean) wasn't a new idea but it is a good one which is why it's used so much. It felt so rushed though with so many interesting ideas like when one of the crystal ponies shouted "It's the Crystal Princess". Okay...gonna stop I could write a multipage analysis on the story and extra ideas that could be fleshed out and not addresed again...but I don't wanna be one of those nerds.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:20 AM

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This is king sombra in a nutshell.


ok dude....sombra is more then that....hes not a bad villain. just misunderstood.


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