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#1 Ratty

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 03:19 AM

Post any questions about our rebuild of Equestria here.
Make sure you read that entire post first to make sure I didn't already answer.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 03:27 AM

So, for Ponyville, I am currently remaking the Spa, will that be put in, or should I wait to work on that until the new world is ready?

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 03:30 AM

You should wait, unless you want it to be sealed away and part of Equestria 3. :) Of course you could build it there, and in the new world too, using the old one as practice.

If you build it in plains, it will stay. I think there might be a competition for the spa, or so I heard. Its up to the town leader for whatever town its in how that will work. But anything made now in plains wont be wiped no matter what.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 03:31 AM

Will any buildings that have been made in Range 3, 4 or plains that are not currently in Equestria be copied over to Equestria 4.0 if theyre good enough?

You should wait, unless you want it to be sealed away and part of Equestria 3. :) Of course you could build it there, and in the new world too, using the old one as practice.

If you build it in plains, it will stay. I think there might be a competition for the spa, or so I heard. Its up to the town leader for whatever town its in how that will work. But anything made now in plains wont be wiped no matter what.


Pretty much answered my question there.

Edited by Herpy__Dooves, 25 April 2012 - 03:35 AM.


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Posted 25 April 2012 - 03:32 AM

I think I'll practice with it until I get it right all the way, I am still having a bit of problems for it, so I will practice for that and other buildings until this new world is ready! Thank you for the swift reply. I look forward to being a part of this project

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 03:33 AM

So will there be new Ponyville house plots?

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 03:35 AM

Anything made in the other worlds won't be affected, so if there's any building competitions or housing upgrade, that is all fine to use for the new Equestria, just wait until the new Equestria is up. The only rule we have is no copying from equestria3 to equestria4 except for contest winner builds.

And of course there will be new plots, there will be a whole new world. I'm sure you meant something else, because I can't make sense of what you're asking.



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Posted 25 April 2012 - 04:39 AM

By copy, do you mean with a WE ctrl+c ctrl+v or by hand or both?

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 05:03 AM

Anything made in the other worlds won't be affected, so if there's any building competitions or housing upgrade, that is all fine to use for the new Equestria, just wait until the new Equestria is up. The only rule we have is no copying from equestria3 to equestria4 except for contest winner builds.


So, does this apply to areas such as the Plains and Freebuild? Like, if I hold a building or two very dear to my heart, am I allowed to copy them over to one of the aforementioned worlds so that it can be preserved, or will they be wiped too? Furthermore, is doing so a breach of the policy?

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 05:24 AM

By copy, do you mean with a WE ctrl+c ctrl+v or by hand or both?


Why did we decide on that rule? I'm glad you asked! Actually, you didn't ask why, instead you asked if you could get around the rule, but I'll pretend you asked the more intelligent question.
I'd rather each world be unique and have all its own stuff, given that we're on the 4th version now, it is really lame when you see things that were in multiple worlds, such as Sweet Apple Acres, or some buildings in Filidelphia. Also it gives more opportunity for people to build things, just making the same exact block for block creation in multiple worlds is just fail.

So, does this apply to areas such as the Plains and Freebuild?


You even quoted the answer. If it is not Equestria, it falls in the category of "other worlds".

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 07:00 AM

is there anyay to get builds copied into equestria4 from equestria3?

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 07:03 AM

is there anyay to get builds copied into equestria4 from equestria3?

Ratty literally JUST explained in the post above yours why we are not allowing buildings from equestria3 to be copied to equestria4.

Why did we decide on that rule? I'm glad you asked! Actually, you didn't ask why, instead you asked if you could get around the rule, but I'll pretend you asked the more intelligent question.
I'd rather each world be unique and have all its own stuff, given that we're on the 4th version now, it is really lame when you see things that were in multiple worlds, such as Sweet Apple Acres, or some buildings in Filidelphia. Also it gives more opportunity for people to build things, just making the same exact block for block creation in multiple worlds is just fail.



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Posted 25 April 2012 - 07:04 AM

What about FO:E? Will you remake that too? There allot of outargued stuff there.

And will Canterlot be merged with Equestria? I realize this opens heaps of doors because of the updates with height and whatnot, but I don't really wanna give up the old Equestria.
Also, can we vote for some buildings to stay as 'heritage sites?' History is important you know :)

Edited by WolfBoi5, 25 April 2012 - 07:06 AM.


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Posted 25 April 2012 - 07:04 AM

oh sorry for once i forgot to read,again sorry.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 07:38 AM

I'm not going to answer any questions that have already been answered.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 09:06 AM

Ponyville right now is full with no room left for newer builders... so my question is will the new ponyville be bigger? So that it didnt happen again?

Edited by Snopes13, 25 April 2012 - 09:07 AM.


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Posted 25 April 2012 - 09:32 AM

Does this mean me and ascended's Sister Hooves social will be gone from the Mane mane world?

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 11:59 AM

Ponyville right now is full with no room left for newer builders... so my question is will the new ponyville be bigger? So that it didnt happen again?

Ponyville is going to be significantly bigger than it used to be. But it will still fill up eventually, it's just too popular a place. But since we're making this world as close to canon as possible (we said that about the old one, but now we know a LOT more than we did then), we're going to be a lot stricter on quality control. You thought passing submissions was hard? Rarity absolutely refuses to live near anything less than perfection.

EDIT TO ADD: On a related topic, Equestria 4.0 will also include a reboot of Cloudsdale. The current one (or at least parts of it) has been around since our old survival server in Equestria 1.0, it's time for a fresh start.

Edited by Natimus_Primehoof, 25 April 2012 - 12:01 PM.


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Posted 25 April 2012 - 12:21 PM

Why did we decide on that rule? I'm glad you asked! Actually, you didn't ask why, instead you asked if you could get around the rule, but I'll pretend you asked the more intelligent question.
I'd rather each world be unique and have all its own stuff, given that we're on the 4th version now, it is really lame when you see things that were in multiple worlds, such as Sweet Apple Acres, or some buildings in Filidelphia. Also it gives more opportunity for people to build things, just making the same exact block for block creation in multiple worlds is just fail.

I ask not-so-intelligent questions for other people's sake, I assure you. Thanks for clarifying.

I'm going to assume the canon screenshots we'll be refering to will be based off the last time said building was seen, right?(IE: canon builds are the latest design)
Exactly how canon are we going to make it? In screenshots we refer to, will the buildings be in the exact same location as the screenshot? As well made the show is, the city seems
to change it's layout every so often.
How canon are we going to make the buildings themselves? In some shots, the buildings are designed in such a way that is hard to carry over to mineraft.
WIll our submission process get harder to cover for the fact our canon world builds just got harder to make?

Edited by BeTa77, 25 April 2012 - 12:24 PM.


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Posted 25 April 2012 - 12:44 PM

The way Equestria 3 always worked was that we worked from screenshots to create the most accurate recreation, the difference being that Equestria 3 was started before season 2 and as the season went on we were shown more and more and it became tougher to make the whole place accurate. A fine example of this is the shot of the whole of Ponyville seen in the Gabby Gums episode which gave us a lot of information to work with, but we couldn't because the existing Ponyville layout was too different from it.

While not all the continuity is perfect throughout the locations, for the most part there's a clear layout. If there's a conflict, we'll choose either the latest one or the one that's most recognisable.

No building is impossible in Minecraft (as long as it's not a sphere).

Submissions will stay the same. Building standards in Equestria will remain as high as ever, although as Natimus said Ponyville will be considerably tougher.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 01:15 PM

So, after those few months, will Equestria3 just be gone forever?

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 02:43 PM

I take it we will still be using the newish Canterolt castle as it's in a sperate world?

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 02:47 PM

What about FO:E? Will you remake that too? There allot of outargued stuff there.

And will Canterlot be merged with Equestria? I realize this opens heaps of doors because of the updates with height and whatnot, but I don't really wanna give up the old Equestria.
Also, can we vote for some buildings to stay as 'heritage sites?' History is important you know :)


I don't know if anything has been decided by the Fallout admins.

Canterlot will likely not be merged with Equestria.

Does this mean me and ascended's Sister Hooves social will be gone from the Mane mane world?


Yes, unfortunately, but think of it as an opportunity to do it even better!.

I take it we will still be using the newish Canterolt castle as it's in a sperate world?

Canterlot will likely be recieving its own reboot.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 03:19 PM

So, after those few months, will Equestria3 just be gone forever?

It will still be available for download.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 03:24 PM

Great, so all the work we did with canterlot over like a 3 month period was for absolutely nothing? Brilliant.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 03:58 PM

Great, so all the work we did with canterlot over like a 3 month period was for absolutely nothing? Brilliant.

It is a pity, isn't it?...

Personally I think that new towns (Las Pegasus, Canterlot) should be moved in with the new Equestria. The main reason being that they were set up so recently.

However, since it's the end of a season, maybe it's good to have a fresh start since we'll have more time leading up to season 3 to get everything done for the previous episodes that we haven't caught up on yet.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 08:59 PM

Equestria 4.0 will also include a reboot of Cloudsdale.

Don't think of it like that, we only just talked about that yesterday with the other admins, we are restarting Cloudsdale too but its a totally seperate thing from Equestria 4, and on its own timetable.

Canterlot will likely be recieving its own reboot.


Damn it Tsar, you're freaking people out.
Just to clarify, it will happen when it makes sense to do it, and we'll have the old worlds around for awhile after, as we're remaking things to be even better than before.

All of this is like sequels, each one better than before. Just because the old one isnt playing in theaters doesnt mean it was a waste of time, each time its done it comes out better than before, and any new people we get now have a chance to participate.
Each time we restart a world, some people whine, but they always stop when they realize they get to building, and can make it better than before.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 09:01 PM

Hopefully I can finish my rendition of the Sweet Apple Acres home/barn in time for this new world. I've been attempting to create it according to the detailed scenes from "The Cutie Pox" and from "Family Appreciation Day", as well as random unique shots throughout the entire series. It's been really tough, however, because there are many inconsistencies between the two episodes, between various scenes within each episode, and even between individual shots of a single scene! I think some of the compromises I've been making will work out, however.

(For the curious, check out the warp "SAA_newhome" to see my progress. It should be public.)

From what I understand, Canterlot is definitely getting it's own overhaul in spite of the recent one, thanks to the finale of season 2. Those two episodes alone prolly have more scenes regarding Canterlot's layout than all other episodes throughout both seasons combined.

Regarding our new Ponyville, I understand that the bar will be raised even higher, but what kind of system are we gonna have there? Will the traditional method of granting someone a permanent home be implemented, or will it be a mixture of permanent homes and showcase plots as it is now? Or will it be showcase plots only?

Edited by Plainstrotter, 25 April 2012 - 09:01 PM.


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Posted 25 April 2012 - 09:34 PM

Great, so all the work we did with canterlot over like a 3 month period was for absolutely nothing? Brilliant.


To clarify, the Cloudsdale and Canterlot reboots have nothing to do with the Equestria4 reboot. Cloudsdale is getting rebooted because, well... it's horrifically non-canon and have you SEEN some of the clouds there? Canterlot is being rebooted because the Season Finale strongly indicates that the structure of the city is vastly different from what we created. Those are on their own time though, and have nothing to do with Equestria4.

The aim of this server is to create the most accurate Equestria possible; when our work is invalidated by new episodes, it's unfortunate, but let's all try to take it in stride now.

Edited by Tsarbomb, 25 April 2012 - 09:35 PM.


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Posted 25 April 2012 - 09:38 PM

Im just confused with one thing, in ponyville, Is there going to be space for us new greenmanes to build or get a chance to build a house in ponyville? And do us green names have to redo subs?

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 09:48 PM

Im just confused with one thing, in ponyville, Is there going to be space for us new greenmanes to build or get a chance to build a house in ponyville? And do us green names have to redo subs?

Submissions are unaffected, you won't have to redo subs because that's stupid and I'd probably leave if you had to. In terms of Ponyville, yes, there will be space for you to build new houses. As Ratty explained, Ponyville will be rebooted completely.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 09:51 PM

Ok thanks :) when will the forum come out to save space. Cuz there's gonna be no space like in 1 hour?

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 09:53 PM

Ok thanks :) when will the forum come out to save space. Cuz there's gonna be no space like in 1 hour?

The forum? The forum isn't going to be new, this is just the Equestria world in Minecraft. It'll be up when it's up, and I doubt that there's gonna be no space in an hour.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 09:55 PM

:s I think it will be :D but thanks!

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 10:02 PM

It says you think there's about a week left until it will be open to building. Does this mean every current Equestria3 city will be open in an Equestria4 version, or just certain main cities (Ponyville and Cloudsdale, etc.)?

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 12:14 AM

I have 2 questions, as I know I'm new around here.

1) What would be the chances of someone like me having at making something like say Sugar Cube Corner. I made it on other servers and it turned out great (will grab some screen shots, just gotta ask for the old map :D).

2) Would you object to entire new cities that have not been mentioned before, for example Hoofoto (Kyoto). A Japanese style theme crossed with a Equestrian theme I have come up with?

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 12:16 AM

1) We will be holding competitions for some of the landmarks, others will be by-claim. As for "someone like you", well, if you're a good builder and your build is good, then I don't see why not.

2) Non-canon towns go to Maneland; we are eliminating non-canon towns that are in current Equestria, such as Brohawk and Crescent Cove. The new Equestria shall be locations either seen or mentioned in the show only.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 01:45 AM

2) Non-canon towns go to Maneland; we are eliminating non-canon towns that are in current Equestria, such as Brohawk and Crescent Cove. The new Equestria shall be locations either seen or mentioned in the show only.

So does this mean that really famous fanon locations like Sunnytown won't be rebuilt in the new Equestria? I mean it would probably be a good thing, especially with the Cupcakes Cellar, means oversensitive people will stop complaining about it

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 01:59 AM

So does this mean that really famous fanon locations like Sunnytown won't be rebuilt in the new Equestria? I mean it would probably be a good thing, especially with the Cupcakes Cellar, means oversensitive people will stop complaining about it


The new Equestria will be strictly canon, but nothing's stopping someone from taking a stab at building those in Maneland! Sunnytown's an interesting enough idea it might work, actually. As for Cupcakes dungeons, I think we're leaning towards removing any outright gore or grimdark. As always, evaluation is on a case-by-case basis.


Im just confused with one thing, in ponyville, Is there going to be space for us new greenmanes to build or get a chance to build a house in ponyville?


Ponyville's new form is still in planning, but here's a basic idea.

Recent episodes have shown that Ponyville is actually quite a bit larger than we really thought. The recent overview shot shows at least 70 distinct buildings, and no sign of Twilight's library or the Carousel Boutique. There's also some indistinct blotches in the background that could be houses out on the hills around town. For comparison, we have perhaps 50 buildings in Ponyville plus some landmarks, with room for perhaps 5 more. The new map isn't completely finalized yet, but there's at least twice as much room to work with. And after we fill up the more organized 'downtown' area, there's still plenty of room for more. Trust me, this map is huge.

New plots will be closer together and of varying sizes and shapes, so those who want smaller, cozier homes won't take up an entire plot and waste space, while others who want something other than a square will have better options. Remember the Mare-Do-Well chase scene and the Smile, Smile Smile roof-hopping bit? Yeah, we'll be able to do that once things fill in.

As for the strictness on style, it's not as bad as you think. Look around the current Ponyville, there's a fair few buildings with 'pyramid pile' roofs, but no building we've EVER seen with a thatched roof looks like that. Perfectly square buildings? Nope, not in Ponyville, everything's a rectangle, or an L-shape. It's little things like those that we'll be stepping up on. Plenty of buildings look like they're combined shops with apartments above, and we'll be encouraging this. Also, time limits, just like on submissions. No more claiming a plot and leaving it empty for a week or leaving a half-done building behind.

Foster's Home for Ponyville Ponies and the 'showcase plots' idea was something of an experiment, and on reflection it wasn't awful, it just didn't work as well as hoped. It will still make a great practice area though, since the above-mentioned time limits will mean you need a good idea of what you're doing before you begin.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 04:01 AM

Is the canterlot reboot going to be the whole city including the castle? and is it going to be at the same time as the EQ4 reboot? because if so i know a few people who would REALLY like to help. Also if your redoing the castle, are you going to make the actual castle have more of a patterned design like every other castle too? because it could be interesting if the admins all made base designs and the green manes/admins all voted on which is the best, because to be honest, the show never really covers enough of any town for us to get a perfect sense of how the layout actually is (except maybe Applelossa), So it might be a cool idea if base plots/ designs of the way things are going to be laid out are planed before hand.
Also the towns should be laid farther apart, not to scale but more realistic... right before i came to brohoof i spent a large amount of time on minecraft middle earth, and i thought some of their ideas have good intentions in them that you admins could implement.
Or like how Fyre UK organizes some of their builds, where they have patterns of streets and the what not.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 07:29 AM

Ponyville is going to be significantly bigger than it used to be. But it will still fill up eventually, it's just too popular a place. But since we're making this world as close to canon as possible (we said that about the old one, but now we know a LOT more than we did then), we're going to be a lot stricter on quality control. You thought passing submissions was hard? Rarity absolutely refuses to live near anything less than perfection.

EDIT TO ADD: On a related topic, Equestria 4.0 will also include a reboot of Cloudsdale. The current one (or at least parts of it) has been around since our old survival server in Equestria 1.0, it's time for a fresh start.


Okay :) So would I be able to build a house in freebuild and if its " Nothing less than perfection" can a admin copy it into ponyville?

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 08:30 AM

What is going to happen to Foster's Imaginary? I imagine that traffic over there will stop completely.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 04:08 PM

I think it would be cool if something like Fosters was used as a special kind of submissions area for Ponyville. If a builder wants to build a house in Ponyville, he/she must submit a house in Fosters for inspection. If it meets Ponyville quality, it is moved to Ponyville, and the plot in Fosters is made available again. If it fails, then it stays in Fosters where it was built. If the builder wants to make another attempt, they must tear down their old house and try again. As before, a passing house is moved to Ponyville, and a failing house stays in Fosters. A builder may only have a house in one or the other town.

Like CMC submissions, there would be a cap on how many submission attempts are allowed. One idea I had would be to cap it at 2 as usual, but if a builder passed CMC without failing once, then the unused second attempt from their CMC sub could be added to their max attempts at Ponyville submission in Fosters, for a total of 3 tries. If not that, then perhaps it should just be capped at 3 for everypony.

Anyway, I think using a town like Fosters as a filter would allow a cleaner submission process to build in Ponyville (no half-finished buildings gunkin' up the town) while also allowing those who don't make it to have a place for their Ponyville-style home to stay (so that their efforts aren't totally wasted).

Edited by Plainstrotter, 26 April 2012 - 04:08 PM.


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Posted 26 April 2012 - 05:30 PM

I'm guessing any kind of Trixie land III would be in mane land then? As it is very unlikely to be canon.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 05:41 PM

If I read things right in here, there's gonna be a huge tract of land in Equestria well away from the totally canon areas for semi-canon towns, like Las Pegasus, Baltimare, Fillydelphia, Manehattan, etc.

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I think the idea of making a model of Canterlot in Equestria to accent it's height in the mountains, along with the effect of adding mini-towns to the distant ground level of Canterlot, was pretty cool. Do you think we could do the same kind of thing for Cloudsdale? We could pick a spot in Equestria to build a model high in the sky to represent Cloudsdale, and then whenever somepony flies up near it, they get teleported to Cloudsdale. And then Cloudsdale could be built over an area that's filled with a miniaturized landscape of Equestria, whereby falling towards it would warp the player back to Equestria.

Thoughts?

Edited by Plainstrotter, 26 April 2012 - 06:01 PM.


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Posted 26 April 2012 - 11:10 PM

I was wondering if it would be possible to rebuild Canterlot and Cloudsdale in the actual Equestria4 world. with new map height, we could probably have Canterlot at the size it is currently, but still be in the mountains, and the more canon version of Cloudsdale wouldn't take up as much aerial space and could be away from most times, preventing a huge shadow. Also this would reduce lag because we wouldn't have to have 2 extra maps loaded at once (that causes lag right?). It would also make things less complicated because we wouldn't have to set up the "walk here and it warps you" thing. It would also be good for map downloaders, as they would only have to have one map to get all the main towns. Finally, one last question, will Twilight's Library be a competition build?, because if it's not I had been wanting to rebuild that thing in minecraft, even before I found this server, and I already had an idea how to build most of the things in minecraft. Also I would make it as close to canon as possible, even if it means searching through countless screenshots for hours.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 11:33 PM

THe problem with having a cloudsdale in game would be all the shadows that the clouds cast on the ground would make it look really bad, un less we could fix that, and for the canterlot castle thing i would imagine that the admins will want the buildings even bigger, as some of the tower that were shown on the season premier gave us more of an idea of how it looks inside the city.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 11:35 PM

I think you vastly underestimate how big a city is supposed to be, Nat.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 11:38 PM

If I read things right in here, there's gonna be a huge tract of land in Equestria well away from the totally canon areas for semi-canon towns, like Las Pegasus, Baltimare, Fillydelphia, Manehattan, etc.

Manehattan is a lot more canon than the rest of those towns listed, give that it has been actually seen in the show, not just briefly mentioned. Manehattan will be directly west of Ponyville this time, after careful analysis of what little of Manehattan that appears in the show.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 12:43 AM

Manehattan will be directly west of Ponyville this time, after careful analysis of what little of Manehattan that appears in the show.

with that said, i would say that Cloudsdale is north-north-west of ponyville, approx. the same distance away as manehattan.
this might have been asked already, but it hasnt been answered:
wil the newer towns (Las Pegasus specifically) be transferred? if not will the previous town leaders be in charge of them? if so, would they mind a reboot of the more recent builds in said city?
my reason for this is that i am only halfway done my casino, and i would love to see it to completion for others to admire.
this being said, i actually cant wait to help out with the new equestria

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 05:02 AM

with that said, i would say that Cloudsdale is north-north-west of ponyville, approx. the same distance away as manehattan.
this might have been asked already, but it hasnt been answered:
wil the newer towns (Las Pegasus specifically) be transferred? if not will the previous town leaders be in charge of them? if so, would they mind a reboot of the more recent builds in said city?
my reason for this is that i am only halfway done my casino, and i would love to see it to completion for others to admire.
this being said, i actually cant wait to help out with the new equestria


Unfortunately, Las Pegasus will not be transferred over. You might be able to ask an admin to paste it into freebuilder for you to finish though.

AFAIK all the town mayors will be staying the same, except for Cloudsdale which will be under new management, but that's its own thing and has nothing to do with Equestria4.

Edited by Tsarbomb, 27 April 2012 - 05:02 AM.


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Posted 27 April 2012 - 03:58 PM

When will we know what the competitions will be?

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 10:12 PM

We will have competitions for all the major landmarks.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 10:12 PM

Thanks nat :)

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 10:31 PM

We will have competitions for all the major landmarks.

Sounds great :D

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 11:00 PM

Will anything happen to cloudsdale?

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 03:08 AM

Will anything happen to cloudsdale?


The way this is supposed to work is you read the thread and then post in it. You obviously skipped the reading part. Go back to Page 1 and try again.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:55 AM

When you make the new Cantralot can you add places from a Cantralot wedding like the dance floor and underground area where Twighlight gets trapped in

For event purposes like mabey a Cantralot wedding that would be cool

And when I'm a builder I'll make spikes bachelor party and host it the night before

Or I'll submit it to events first

If only we had Someone who could do love is in bloom on note blocks and put that under the dance floor

Sorry for such a huge post over and over again

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 11:44 AM

Just as a reminder to anyone asking if we're going to include something specific (gala hall, wedding chapel, etc) our goal has been--and will continue to be--to make our Equestria as accurate to the show as we possibly can. That's part of the reason for starting over, in fact: season 2 has shown us a lot more about how the world is laid out and where things are relative to each other, and our old map didn't match. It'll take time, but eventually every bit of stuff from every episode will be somewhere in the world.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 12:10 AM

Yay

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 04:06 AM

Is the moon cannon going to disappear? D:

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 06:17 AM

how large is equestria4 going to be compared to equestria3?

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 05:51 PM

The way this is supposed to work is you read the thread and then post in it. You obviously skipped the reading part. Go back to Page 1 and try again.

You never saw my comment... ooooOOOOOoooo

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 12:37 AM

Since CloudsDale is part of Equestria, it's going to be rebuilt, right?
If so, I would like to build the Rainbow Factory.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 08:12 AM

Since CloudsDale is part of Equestria, it's going to be rebuilt, right?
If so, I would like to build the Rainbow Factory.


Cloudsdale is part of Equestria on the show, but on the server it's a different world.
I'm not sure if it's going to be rebuilt or not, but you probably won't be able to make the Rainbow Factory because you are not a greenmane/builder.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 10:38 AM

Cloudsdale will be restarted, just later than Equestria.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 03:46 PM

Cloudsdale will be restarted, just later than Equestria.

Actually, it seems to be coming along a lot faster that Equestria

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 09:57 PM

I've been trying to gather thoughts and concepts upon the changeover and why I disagree with certain aspects of it for a while. I hadn't realised it was going to live so soon, but I still feel these are extremely relevant and important aspects that need addressing. This has ranged from questions to outright arguement. I intend to merely present a polite and calm discussive point here. So please, read all of the following as simply a friendly perspective. I'm not arguing...just making my thoughts on the situation clear. As well as the thoughts of many others I have discussed this with.

There has been shown to be a great amount of uncertainty and discomfort over the exact manner of the changeover. Every switch has this, however it's been way more intense this time. barely a day goes by I don't hear someone, from builders, trusted groups and even admins mentioning their greivances with some of the particulars involved.

Specifically, this is centred around the buildings and constructs. People have no problems about the geography changing. The new map looks fantastic and very styled. It's a huge upgrade and I wish anyone involved to realise this isn't people 'complaining about change for the sake of change,' This is simply one aspect...people's creations. This is the only thing that is different from the change of 2-3 is the elements of the buildings. They could be brought over before...but not now. That is the sticking point, the only one. This is why it's different to other changeovers and the "standard" fare of uncertainty we're all used to.

It's often said that it gives people a change to "start afresh", but in casting away every single build people have done, it is undermining the confidence in a sense of worth. That feeling of working as one, a community and improving upon our own creations through a series of adaptive iteration. Removing all that work to start from blank almost feels like a betrayal of the effort put in to some people in the most extreme cases, which may explain the heated elements surrounding this. In this post, I aim to present the calm and logical reasonings and to offer a solution that will not only make everyone happy...but also improve the server in the process by strengthening our presence as a community. ie - The objective we've always sought.

As such, I propose the following process.


Equestria 4.0 Alternative Switching Concept

The Issue
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A great many of the regulars (predominently green names, plus a small number of admins) feel a sense of worth being lost from the loss and removal of their work on the server. This is lowering their willingness to contribute in future if they feel that their work is simply going to be removed anyway. Given this is the 4th iteration of the server, I am sure it can be understood why mentionings of "This is the last one, really!" are not particularly reassuring to some people involved.

Furthermore, the mentionings of only competitive builds being kept is of great concern. A large userbase of the server dislikes participating in competitive builds due to the higher stress and obvious competitive nature involved. Minecraft is as much a relaxing and cooperative game as anything, leading many people to feel that if they aren't being "competitive" in builds, they are being ignored for the restart. Although I realise it's easy to look at this and go "That's not what we meant!" the important observation is how people feel, not the original intent.

As such, here is the steo by step guide to keeping everyone happy.


Step 1: Geographical Adjustment
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This step has, as far as I am aware, already been completed. To map out the new world and judge positons of the geography, towns and borders alongside other landmarks and terrain.

Step 2: Server Userbase Announcement
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This is the first change. Instead of removing everything, including loads of great buildings that many people took plenty of time to craft for the server and its populace, this instead helps separate the wheat from the chaff.

The announcement is made for every single user to submit their Minecraft Name and which of their buildings they request be kept. They provide a name and coordinates with a location within either a topic. Possibly could be divided by town, but that would add a ton of complexity that elsewise isn't entirely needed.

Step 3: Commence Map Changeover
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Buildings listed are moved over to the new world. Emphasis is given to "landmark" buildings initially to get the important ones shifted. Afterwards, working through non-crucial buildings would commence. If any construct is seen to be significantly in breach of established canon or of drastically low quality, this would be discussed by the admin team. If decided to not bring over, inform the builder and request they try to improve it back in Equestria3 before resubmission.

The great advantage to this is that it pleases both sides. Only current and active builders will be requesting anything be transferred, so a HUGE volume of space will be opened up to newer builders and letting them bring new skills and artistic vision to the server. Meanwhile, those who had worked hard and continue to work hard will keep the effort they had put into the world.

Step 4: Ensure Replacement Procedures are well known
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It isn't widely known that if you look at a building and think "I can do better" that you can make it in freebuild then flag an admin to it. The final step would be to ensure people know this that the newer builders still have an oppurtunity to improve the server if they have the skill.

Advantages of this Method
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- Lots of new space for new builders
- Clean, concise, fair and organised decision making on a case by case basis
- Regulars still get to keep the builds they hrd or were working on
- Assures the server as a whole that their hard work isn't going to be just forgotten

Admist the drama, occasional arguements and heated discussions Equestria 4.0 has brought us, I seek only to bring an organised theory that will aid in restoring community spirit and be fair on everyone involved. No-one loses out through this and it will benefit the server immensely to those coming to visit and in how it looks in the long term. Many of these concepts were tested in the Fallout Equestria world and they worked without a hitch, as the admins involved will confirm.

I urge the admins to take heed of this and realise that many people are becoming unwilling to continue, not only out of a sense of worth being lost, but also because they feel that simply "getting on with it" will present a willingness that they are "okay" with starting from scratch. The truth is...they aren't. It's not people simply moaning for the sake of moaning or whining for no reason...it's out of love for what they've made and wanting to continue doing that or improving existing models with the bump that entering a new world does.

It'll help us all in the long run.

Now, long posts I'm always worried about making, because the temptation to pick them apart in a thousand "quote boxes" and take things out of context is so easy. So if any admin wants to discuss further on this, please let me know and I'd actually rather discuss in mumble rather than spending hours typing more and more here.

Thank you. I do hope Equestria 4.0 is fantastic, but until some issues are addressed, I fear that many builders are liable to cut their ties tothe main world at the very least. No-one wants that, just cutting people loose is never a good objective for a server. These are not major complaints, this is not wanting every single building transferred to fill it up instantly. This is just people looking for a chance to continue with their most prized possessions that they put so much effort into for the server as much as each other.

Edited by RetroSicotte, 07 May 2012 - 10:31 PM.


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Posted 07 May 2012 - 10:20 PM

Thank you. I do hope Equestria 4.0 is fantastic, but until some issues are addressed, I fear that many builders are liable to cut their ties tothe main world at the very least. No-one wants that, just cutting people loose is never a good objective for a server. These are not major complaints, this is not wanting every single building transferred to fill it up instantly. This is just people looking for a chance to continue with their most prized possessions that they put so much effort into for the server as much as each other.


I agree with this. I myself actually would only want two houses moved over, My Ponyville house and my Bucklynn house.

But because of this sudden chance over and basicly everything I worked on being thrown out, I've been thinking about simply not even bothering with the mane world now. And only going to Fallout, where my work WAS saved.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 10:44 PM

There's going to be a stage of "anger and whining". It has happened before with the last map change. As soon as the map becomes public, which at the time of writing Manehattan is now open, everyone is super excited and is no longer concerned with not having stuff ported over. You only need to look on the server at this very moment to see this.

In specific regards to Manehattan, the reason why I didn't want stuff from the old Manehattan/Bucklynn ported over is the following;
  • Plot sizes: None of the new plots sizes were used in old Manehattan/Bucklynn. So fitting old buildings in is quite awkward.
  • Given that I have already designed the layout, adding old stuff in unused space just looks unneat.
  • I certainly can't port stuff from old Manehattan over given that most of it was modern in architectural style.


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Posted 08 May 2012 - 12:20 AM

We go through this everytime, I guess people just have to experience it before they believe it.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 01:50 AM

We go through this everytime, I guess people just have to experience it before they believe it.


Well, as I said in my post, it's the unique element of the 3-4 transition compared to the 2-3 one that I was here posting to explain the reaction to. Because I knew it would get mixed up inside the "normal" unsettlement caused by a change. 2-3 was great and although I was unsure at first, I accepted it. I have experienced this already.

It's the alteration of procedure that is the element that I am highlighting in my post, that there is no longer a process of maintenance and requesting to safehold treasured builds that people spent time on. That's where the majority of people's disgruntlement stems from. That sense of "anything we build will be removed in a few months anyway." That's the strong way to put it, perhaps even a little blunt, but I've definitely heard that element from discussing with people prior to acting as a calm front. That's all. :)

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 02:06 AM

Have you built much in Equestria?

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 02:28 AM

This isn't specifically about me. This is a good number of people that I stated in my original post who have all contributed, some as admins to the server. I am merely acting as a 'front' to keep things ordered, calm and collected in one place. Also because I feel that a lot of people chattering back and forth all at once is not only confusing but also much more likely to devolve into arguement...this is merely to help prevent that and maintain a settled and logical base of discussion.

As mentioned within the original post, this isn't people seeking "everything" moved over. It's simply for a system of requisition that would permit the most prized possessions they feel could benefit the new world to be taken, discussed and decided upon. Although I am loathe to state my own personal ones, as this isn't simply about me, I will say merely as an example that if it were me, I'd seek the Ponyville Tower (which I planned to upgrade) and the Flight Academy (which has plenty of room for improvement on the base model). Things like my Ponyville and Cloudsdale houses, Book stand in Bucklynn, Appleloosa store (I think it's still there...may be wrong on this one) and in-progress Fillydelphian cafe I am not so bothered about. If there were a system in place, I'd happily ignore them and submit the tower and academy. I'm sure any builder would be the same, finding the ones they still had plans to improve and submitting only them. Setting a maximum of things isn't a manner I'd feel is required, but it could be a manner of control.

I stress again, that is simply as an example. I am not placing myself up for saying what "I" want (even if I agree with the ideas mentioned in my post), this is simply a collabaration of how many people I have discussed the issue with feel. From builders, people within "trusted" and even admins.

Edited by RetroSicotte, 08 May 2012 - 02:31 AM.


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Posted 08 May 2012 - 02:39 AM

But there's nothing really to talk about, if I stated somewhere that this is open to discussion, I apologize for that.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 02:55 AM

Well, people had concerns and thoughts (verging from speculative and curious to strong and passionate) surrounding the issue I offered to raise for them. That's all. I offer my posts as feedback to you, both as an admin team and as a site founder and owner. To help make aware of the exact nature of certain issues and that there is a slight difference to the standard percieved "unsettledness" from any natural server reboot. (And I do remember the exact feelings from 2-3) I felt this important enough, given that I had heard people heavily invested in the server commenting their worries, to bring to the attention of yourself via the post above. The ideas mentioned by the steps, I should reiterate, are not a demand or a statement of what "should" be done. They are simply a collation of what a lot of people would like to see done with the server.

As the site owner, yes, of course your own decisions are final. After all, server upkeep comes from somewhere and I don't think there's a single person who doesn't respect (or even admire) that contribution. But I would like to think that there is always room for a politely written passage explaining what people feel or think as members of the community. One of the things I was worried about while writing was that it would sound as though people felt "entitled" when really that isn't the case. It's simply people wanting to create the best experience for all users, both regular and new, while simultaneously creating the best Equestria they can via every method they know of.

After all, so long as there isn't arguement or heated moments, there's never any harm in polite, mutual and possibly even professionalistic feedback upon how things operate. Especially in cases where I've heard many people feel their loyalty waver such as this one.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 03:14 AM

The new world is loaded up and building has started, so I think this thread has run its course. Locking.


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