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#1 MC_Trikk

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 09:37 PM

Here's the story.

While I was building something alone in freebuild, I was asked by "magnetwardrobe" to come pre-judge his submission house, as well as offer suggestions and points of critisism. Basically, anything that could help his chances of approval.

While I was helping him (Note that I couldn't physically place blocks, as I am a freebuilder rank) two players (named "broken42" and "Ericmani") jumped in our conversation, and became quite aggressive to me and magnetwardrobe (but about 80% of it was directed at me.) by issuing threats, and using excessive curse words.

Of course you should skim over the chat log, but I also have a screenshot of the chat, right here for your viewing.
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I'm sure their reasoning was that since I'm a freebuilder, my points of advice wouldn't be sufficient to help anyone with a submission house. But regardless, I didn't deserve any of the massive flaming that was directed at me. In my response I didn't reply with any insults or cursing, I wasn't even rude to them. I hope you can understand that I didn't want wny of this to happen, and I'm sorry for causing any inconveniences.

EDIT: Oh, don't ban "magnetwardrobe". He didn't do anything wrong. He actually backed up my argument.

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 09:54 PM

From what I've read of the chatlogs, Broken was right about your advice being very much like 'build your house in a specific way', like telling him to make the kitchen floor with alternating white and black wool. From what I can tell, that's basically you saying 'you must build it this way'. That's not advice. Advice would be pointing out flaws and more general and vague suggestions, like for example "make the exterior less monotone".
However, there is no denying that what Ericmani said to you was absolutely unjustified. He is without a doubt, someone who must be dealt with. On the other hand, Broken, more or less, was right in his criticism of you. You need to rethink your definition of 'advice' somewhat.

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 10:02 PM

We do prefer that people do not give such direct advice when reviewing CMC's submissions. It undermines the validity of the test. We want builders who are observant and clever enough to figure out these things on their own. Many, many people have passed the submission test without any help whatsoever, and it's not unreasonable for them to get upset when they see someone being carried through or getting an unfair advantage.

As Ratty himself put it:

Use common sense, we are judging your ability, not groups of people, if anyone helps build your submission, it will be automatically rejected.


By telling what blocks to use and where, you were helping this player cheat the test, and if we wanted to be sticklers about it, we could probably reject his submission because we really don't know what his abilities are now.

It would be the same as if there was someone taking a school exam and you stood over them telling them the answers. Sure, you didn't actually write the answers in for them, and they wouldn't HAVE to use the answers you gave them, as you pointed out... but does it really matter?

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 10:03 PM

Right, I'm sorry. I didn't really want to type "I think you should also..." before each sentence, but you're right. I gave off the wrong message, which I totally didn't mean to. "Bossy" wasn't my intended attitude... Thanks for explaining it, I'll take this advice for future reference when asked for help again.

EDIT: If it helps, magnet didn't use most of the advice I gave him. He still passed without most of my help.

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 10:09 PM

It's not so much an issue of bossiness as it is one of specificity.

When giving advice on a submission house, be as vague as possible.

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 10:14 PM

Of course. Thanks for helping me understand! I'll be alot more vauge in the future. But let's not stray away from the main topic here. This is about the two players, not me. (But you were right to bring up my methods of critisism.)

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 10:18 PM

I wasn't there for what Ericmani said, but I did see some of what Broken said, and I have been on the server long enough to know sort of what he is like, and I can say that Broken is a good guy. He has done a lot for the server and is usually pretty nice to everypony. He could have been a I little more... gentle... in his wording, but I think he meant the best for everypony.

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 10:57 PM

2011-12-07 21:51:04 Trikk
2011-12-07 21:51:08 Yes?
2011-12-07 21:51:09 don't tell them exactly what to do
2011-12-07 21:51:14 give advice, not demands
2011-12-07 21:51:25 Yeah, Trikk makes you seem like a douche.
2011-12-07 21:51:26 Obviously. I'm making suggestions. Step off me.

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6 lines in and already eric is suggesting Trikk is a douche. I'd like to add that "Step off me" isn't exactly a great way to get a conversation going as well.

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2011-12-07 21:51:31 no you aren't
2011-12-07 21:51:38 you are making him place specific things in specific places
2011-12-07 21:51:48 I'm helping him be better.
2011-12-07 21:51:54 more stairs
2011-12-07 21:52:02 The only way I'd be breaking any rules is by actually building myself.

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Your heart is in the right place, but this isn't true, as previously stated in the thread.

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2011-12-07 21:52:14 Just stay out of this conversation. I was asked for help. Not you.

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Bad. This is where it starts getting to the point where I could comment line for line almost, so I'll just underline the really pertinent things.

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2011-12-07 21:52:20 trikk
2011-12-07 21:52:20 Trikk, I heard you already broke a few rules..
2011-12-07 21:52:25 Why is your name whuite
2011-12-07 21:52:25 Still, trying to be polite.
2011-12-07 21:52:26 ty very much bte trikk
2011-12-07 21:52:31 have you ever heard of the saying, "If you teach a man to fish you feed them for a day"?
2011-12-07 21:52:34 But you're pushing me over my limit.
2011-12-07 21:52:38 Trikk, you copied a submission and got permawhitemaned. Your arguement is invalid
2011-12-07 21:52:39 cause ya that very much applies here
2011-12-07 21:52:39 i am
2011-12-07 21:52:44 Broken I think you have that backwards
2011-12-07 21:52:46 Not quite.
2011-12-07 21:52:52 well sorry
2011-12-07 21:52:55 oh ya I do lol
2011-12-07 21:52:56 Trikk; You copy a house, then critique someone elses?
2011-12-07 21:53:06 Why cant we all just get along?
2011-12-07 21:53:10 I was told if I make good builds in freebuild, i can submit again. Since then, I've been...
2011-12-07 21:53:12 hi everypony!
2011-12-07 21:53:19 ...remaking vault 101 from Fallout 3.
2011-12-07 21:53:21 who told you that exactly?
2011-12-07 21:53:33 I've been working on it for twelve hours so far, and it's epic.
2011-12-07 21:53:38 damn
2011-12-07 21:53:40 Trikk ratty himself said you are permanently banned from submissions
2011-12-07 21:53:52 He did say so. I'm glad you can read.
2011-12-07 21:54:04 I don't think you're helping your case.
2011-12-07 21:54:11 [rp] (Mmmm, if you don't have any ideas, we could do another casual one.)
2011-12-07 21:54:17 I love politley offering my help, only to be told off by a bunch on rude people.
2011-12-07 21:54:19 someone where do you get to the cloudsdale threads....
2011-12-07 21:54:23 [rp] sure
2011-12-07 21:54:30 Seriously, Trikk. You are so F*cking annoying; I literally want you to shut up.
2011-12-07 21:54:31 I'm not doing anything wrong. You are.
2011-12-07 21:54:32 me? im not saying tat?
2011-12-07 21:54:37 [rp] let me switch skins
2011-12-07 21:54:40 We wouldn't have a problem with it if you weren't telling him exactly what to do
2011-12-07 21:54:46 :)
2011-12-07 21:54:46 there is no problem with helping people
2011-12-07 21:54:53 No, magnet, you're fine. You're a nice guy.
2011-12-07 21:54:53 you are practically building his interior for him
2011-12-07 21:55:00 there is a big difference
2011-12-07 21:55:15 no hes not. ive built it all
2011-12-07 21:55:16 Broken, you need to be quiet. You're pushing me over my limit.
2011-12-07 21:55:28 Trikk shut the fuck up.
2011-12-07 21:55:35 I'm politely offering my help. I'm not doing ANYTHING wrong.
2011-12-07 21:55:38 language
2011-12-07 21:55:39 come on. love and tolerate
2011-12-07 21:55:39 you are really lucky I don't want to say something I'd regret
2011-12-07 21:55:41 Your a douche.
2011-12-07 21:55:47 I dont care.
2011-12-07 21:55:52 this kid is making me pissed
2011-12-07 21:55:55 fuck off.
2011-12-07 21:55:55 If you beg to differ, get an admin over here. I'm sure he'd like to settle this.
2011-12-07 21:56:23 I was trying to control myself, but seriously
2011-12-07 21:56:25 Good thing I'm screenshotting all this. Cant wait till ratty sees it.
2011-12-07 21:56:26 slash exactly
2011-12-07 21:56:32 Umm...
2011-12-07 21:56:44 Why did you even enter MY conversation anyways? What were you hoping to accomplish?
2011-12-07 21:56:48 Well, for one: Trikk is being a tattletale now. and two: Eric is being kinda mean
2011-12-07 21:57:00 Yes, i am being mean..
2011-12-07 21:57:04 for obvious reasons
2011-12-07 21:57:05 i know
2011-12-07 21:57:09 But tattletales are tools
2011-12-07 21:57:20 Im on Erics side on this
2011-12-07 21:57:22 QUOTE: "trikk you need to shut the fuck up"
2011-12-07 21:57:27 That's grounds for a ban.
2011-12-07 21:57:30 But he should just stop talking
2011-12-07 21:57:35 And trikk should kinda piss off
2011-12-07 21:57:39 guys? 5 year old crap is behind all of us. lets stop and forgive
2011-12-07 21:57:49 This is getting out of hand
2011-12-07 21:57:51 THIS IS TIRING JUST LISTENING TO THIS
2011-12-07 21:57:53 ALL OF YOU DROP THIS BULLSHIT NOW
2011-12-07 21:58:01 Come at me. I'm actually HELPING the community here. I've done nothing wrong.
2011-12-07 21:58:17 Okay who ever is involved needs to drop the topic RIGHT NOW!

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That seemed like the best place to end it.

I'd like to start by saying that I haven't heard the term "tattletale" in quite a few years. If something like this happens and you feel like you've been wronged, we need to hear about it. Don't be afraid to post about these sorts of things.

It's honestly the fault of all of you, nobody except magnet really stayed composed here. Everyone talking about getting pushed over their limits and having no right to talk, that's some really childish stuff and is very revealing of the kind of person you are under light pressure. But there are varying degrees of composure here, so we'll address that in order of largest to smallest from my viewpoint.

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Easily the biggest aggressor / instigator here. I can only imagine this conversation go much more swimmingly without his input, hell this post probably wouldn't have been made. You can rest assured he will be disciplined.

2011-12-07 21:52:20 Trikk, I heard you already broke a few rules..

Well buddy, so did you.


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Your input did not help, at all. You called him a tattletale and a tool. I'd like to consider disciplining you as well.


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Trikk:
You started out innocent here, you were only trying to help and I understand that. But your grace in handling this started to go downhill fairly quickly. But at least you maintained a certain level of it unlike Eric and Po1nt. You didn't call names like a child and you didn't swear except for the quote, which is obviously excusable.

Next time just stop talking to people like them, broken was a decent voice of reason though.


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You were trying to help, you could have used a bit less strength in your responses, but I see where you were coming from. I would like to address this however..

2011-12-07 21:55:39 you are really lucky I don't want to say something I'd regret

Not one of your better moments, you could have never typed this and I would have taken 0 issue.


Oh, I forgot to add someone.


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Good job not getting caught up in this crap, it would have been very easy to do so.




That's my 2cents anyway.

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 11:21 PM

In response, it was VERY hard for me to not go all out on this dude. It is things like this that really dug at me.

2011-12-07 21:39:41 Your kitchen floor should be replaced with alternating black-and-white wool blocks.
2011-12-07 21:39:54 Trikk
2011-12-07 21:39:58 Yes?
2011-12-07 21:40:02 do not tell them exactly how to do their submission
2011-12-07 21:40:10 that leads to stuff like why you got denied
2011-12-07 21:40:18 give suggestions, not demands
2011-12-07 21:40:30 wow aha
2011-12-07 21:40:32 its the rainbow dash one
2011-12-07 21:40:32 I got denied because I plaigerised. I'm an epic builder.
2011-12-07 21:40:43 Do your research before you accuse people of such claims.
2011-12-07 21:40:46 if you are an epic builder, then why did you have to copy your house?
2011-12-07 21:40:55 Because I can.

As anyone who has built something they are proud of, someone blatantly copying it and having no remorse in it is just insulting. But I decided to ignore this and instead headed to the mumble channel that Irvine and Sanc were in to inform them that he was being a bit heavy handed in his advice towards a submission. After they had finished a submission review, Sanc told Trikk this

2011-12-07 21:59:23 Magnet, decorate the bedroom more. Add tables to the sides of the bed, stuff like that.
2011-12-07 21:59:37 Try making it a double bed, if you can.
2011-12-07 22:00:00 Trikk, try to be a little more tactful about your help. Just advice.

Not 10 minutes later he starts doing it again, so I calmly reminded him that he had started giving exact building instructions instead of general advice. When I did he started threatening me like I was insulting his mother.

2011-12-07 22:09:09 I think if you replaced this column with log, it'd look nicer.
2011-12-07 22:09:36 Add a apinting here maybe...?
2011-12-07 22:09:41 Trikk
2011-12-07 22:09:44 you are doing it agian
2011-12-07 22:09:44 A painting*.
2011-12-07 22:09:56 Broken, be quiet. Now. You were warned.
2011-12-07 22:10:09 You are not to bring up this conversation again.

2011-12-07 22:11:41 I'd reccomend just a one block painting... in the middle maybe?
2011-12-07 22:11:59 Trikk, Sanc told you to give advice not specific instructions
2011-12-07 22:12:28 QUOTE: "Trikk: I'd reccomend a one-block painting in the middle, maybe...?"
2011-12-07 22:12:45 I reccomended him advice. Didn't tell him. Now be quiet.
2011-12-07 22:12:46 ok...
2011-12-07 22:13:01 no you are telling him exactly what needs to go there
2011-12-07 22:13:17 I'm getting sick of you being such an instigator. Just stop bringing this up.,

Then procedes to insult everyone who has called him out on being a bit heavy handed

2011-12-07 22:13:50 im sorry but youve been a great help. but people are getting the wrong ideas so. you cant help me
2011-12-07 22:14:04 Sure. If only everyone were as mature as us.
2011-12-07 22:14:10 Just have fun building.
2011-12-07 22:14:15 Trikk, don't get cheeky

So I decide to get off the server before my anger got the better of me and proceeded to look through the logs should something like this thread come up. I found a lovely little conversation from the day prior where Trikk not only insults but attacks noobsqoou, the guy that Trikk copied his submission house from.

2011-12-06 19:17:41 Too bad my sub house was badass. So badass, it was *too good*. ._.
2011-12-06 19:17:56 Trikk, you copied another sub house
2011-12-06 19:18:05 No, I didn't.
2011-12-06 19:18:27 yes, you did. have you seen your submission response?
2011-12-06 19:18:32 Actually, your house looked almost exactly like mine
2011-12-06 19:18:48 infact, when I first saw it, I thought it was mine
2011-12-06 19:18:53 It wasn't "plagerisation", it was inspiration. Do research before you nake such claims.

2011-12-06 19:19:02 all you did was move a few rooms around
2011-12-06 19:19:10 you copied the entire front face from noobs house
2011-12-06 19:19:24 I guess you're still butthurt. Don't talk to me.

And another lovely example of him attack the server as a whole now

2011-12-06 20:18:56 I don't know why, but when I play this server, I always feel sick in real life.

Now I was in mumble when he was found to have copied his submission and his submission thread has this exact quote from Irvine in it

You're rejected permanently, we won't ban you if you can behave.

The above few examples, to me, doesn't sound like someone who is behaving.

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 11:35 PM

In response, it was VERY hard for me to not go all out on this dude.


I can't imagine how it would be that hard. I've never lost my composure doing anything like this. You should have told eric to calm down though.

But good work finding all of these examples of his misbehavings. Rest assured they will be put to good use. I am interested in hearing Trikks response to this though.

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 11:39 PM

Gosh, I didnt want to get caught up in this, I apologize. I attempted to try to ask everyone to stop multiple times, and when he started threatening to tell on people when it seemed that he was in the wrong, I said something I shouldnt of. Sorry for calling him a tattletale/troll.

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 12:11 AM

hey, I am also sorry.. I shouldn't have talked and I realise what I said was very, very, VERY rude. Anyways; I did apologize and am sincerely sorry for bringing that to the wrong level...
My friend Ashmeister talked some sense into me, I donot know how to open chat logs but like I said, I am sorry and apologize for any 'Flame' that happened..

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 12:48 AM

Maybe we should just pretend this never happened. People who don't deserve it are getting pulled into this, and even I'm seeming like a bad guy, which my goal was exactly the opposite. I'm afraid if this is to continue, consequences could arise.

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 12:54 AM

Maybe we should just pretend this never happened. People who don't deserve it are getting pulled into this, and even I'm seeming like a bad guy, which my goal was exactly the opposite. I'm afraid if this is to continue, consequences could arise.


If you don't make a good point for yourself in regards to what Broken posted, I guarantee you consequences are going to arise anyway.

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 01:29 AM

He (rudely) told me I was being too forward with offering advice. Unlike eric, he wasn't as "excessive", but he was still going about it the wrong way. All I know is that I took time off my building project to offer my friend help. Even afterwards, magnet told me I should stop helping, because they're getting the wrong idea. I agree. I was giving off the wrong message, as I wasn't actually trying to cause trouble. (I might have come off as rude, as I was using perfect grammar, spelling and punctuation in my chatting, though I didn't intend to.) I was trying to keep him under contol, to not lash out at me, not unlike eric did. I wanted to adress my points so he knew I was going the right thing. As stated before, I never used a curse word, insult, or even anything rude (Like calling him a "kid")

So yes, I apologise for bringing this whole thing up, but as ratty said, if these people aren't reported, they're only going to cause more trouble. I thought I was going the right thing by posting here... Sorry.

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 01:35 AM

So you have nothing to say in defense of Brokens last post then?

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 01:50 AM

I'd like to add to what Broken has posted, just what my take on the whole situation is based on what I've seen him post in the chat in game.

2011-12-06 21:47:53 Hey admins, until I can submit a house again, is it possible to "earn" reserve slots by...
2011-12-06 21:47:59 ...building epic things in freebuild?
2011-12-06 21:48:21 yes?
2011-12-06 21:48:23 And not a peep was heard.
2011-12-06 21:48:30 I guess not, haha.


So all day yesterday...

2011-12-07 15:54:25 I was told to submit again, I'd have to first build something epic in freebuild...


2011-12-07 16:23:36 I was told I have to prove myself, and build something epic in freebuild


2011-12-07 16:46:48 I have to build something epic in freebuild before I can submit again lol


2011-12-07 17:29:31 I was told if i want to make a submission again, i'd have to make an epic build in freebuild.


2011-12-07 23:35:09 Apparently, if i make epic enough builds in FB, I may have the opportunity to submit again.


At no point did anyone tell him he could regain his submission rights through any means, and this coupled with some of the things Broken already have posted make me believe he's either in denial or that he just compulsively lies to get attention. The evidence for the attention argument lies in the fact that each time he said he could get sub rights back above, it was completely out of context with the rest of the chat. There's also this (most of which are completely out of context with what people are talking about chat also, if you search the times, again trying to avoid a wall of text here):

2011-12-07 00:09:33 I'm almost done making Vault 101


2011-12-07 00:24:40 I'm logging out, but wanna see my vault 101 remake before I go?


2011-12-07 15:50:41 I'm remaking vault 101 from Fallout: 3


2011-12-07 16:33:52 I'm remaking Vault 101. If you'd like to see.


2011-12-07 16:52:09 Want to see my Vault 101 remake? (of course, only when you have time)


2011-12-07 17:28:22 If anyone played Fallout: 3, tp to me to see my remake of Vault 101


This one is somewhat related to the context, but he's still tooting his own horn here:

2011-12-07 21:32:24 trikk y are u white?
2011-12-07 21:32:39 i ironblock 2
2011-12-07 21:32:42 this is sad day
2011-12-07 21:32:44 oops
2011-12-07 21:32:46 I'm a free-builder. It means I like to build massive, non-pony creations.
2011-12-07 21:32:49 why?
2011-12-07 21:32:55 Like my Vault 101 remake for instance.
2011-12-07 21:33:00 oh yeah
2011-12-07 21:33:00 hey trikk can u see my sub?
2011-12-07 21:33:09 It's not pony related, but it's still pretty epic.


2011-12-07 21:53:10 I was told if I make good builds in freebuild, i can submit again. Since then, I've been...
2011-12-07 21:53:12 hi everypony!
2011-12-07 21:53:18 hi
2011-12-07 21:53:19 ...remaking vault 101 from Fallout 3.


There are a couple other subjects he's brought up multiple times to sell himself to the server, but basically I feel like he has a holier than thou attitude towards the rest of us. The things he's said in game chat coupled with the fact that he blatantly copied someone else's submission and treated the person he copied off of like garbage when he was called out for it have basically driven me to the point where I can't really tolerate his attitude anymore. I about came unglued when he said this, but I restrained myself from posting anything in game chat. This was the ultimate "holier than thou" moment and I believe was completely uncalled for:

Note that this was a considerable time after the argument had taken place earlier.

2011-12-07 22:47:25 Congrats, mag!
2011-12-07 22:47:40 ty trikk for pre judging
2011-12-07 22:47:47 No probmen, mate.,
2011-12-07 22:48:00 Even if people were rude to me for just helping.
2011-12-07 22:48:08 No matter, they will be banned in time.
2011-12-07 22:48:52 trikk that type of attitude is not necessary. Drop the subject and move on.


Maybe I'm overreacting, I just can't really stand arrogance. I can take the fact that he copied the submission, in fact I wasn't really all that surprised when I found the copied submission, given that odd things in submissions rarely surprise me anymore. But now that I've had a taste of his attitude, especially after he insulted noobsquo, I am finding it difficult to keep myself contained. I can understand Broken's position on this matter. I'm quite angry at myself for getting so worked up over the things he says. But he's had a holier than thou attitude since day one, and it's really gotten irritating.

The last quote I'll leave you with.

2011-12-05 17:47:39 My house is gonna be a few hours... Basing it off my singleplayer house.



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Posted 09 December 2011 - 02:01 AM

Just so its at least stated, those of you that lost your tempers only made things worse, I hope you guys learned from this and will just stay calm. We can deal with problem people if they don't listen to reason, but if you lose your cool, you're only adding problems. This is a good life lesson too, such as at your job.

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 02:02 AM

I do. Here.

"Why did I copy a sub house"
I said "because I can" because I was hiding an emberrasing secret...I was ignorant. And scared. Of failing, of course. Too late now, I've failed anyways. Been working on my Vault 101 remake for the past few days... Alone.

"Telling him to not bring up the subject again"
We were told by an admin to drop the subject. (RIGHT NOW!!!) He seemed angry, so I stopped and apologised. But broken42 kept trying to bring it up. I was frustrated, but kept my cool about it... I just didn't want to be warned/banned. (This relates to future incidents too.)

"Talking about the copied house"
I was emberassed... Highly. And frustrated. Saying "butt hurt" wasn't a great thing to involve in a conversation, and I regretted saying it almost immediatly. I just... didn't revoke the latter statement because I was emberrassed. The incident was dropped, and I've even come to make friends with the guy ever since . He saw my Vault 101 remake and said it was amazing. (You should see it, too.)

"Saying I was sick playing the server"
False generalization. Playing the server doesn't cause me illness. I've actually been sick in real life since december fourth. I'm afraid I gave off the wrong idea there. Sorry.

I'm working off two computers here. Been banned from the game while I was working on my Vault 101... I can only assume it was to get my attention. You could have just asked... But I'm afraid I might be coming off as mean, and I don't mean to. Sorry. I'll refrain highly from voicing my opinion from now on.

I'm uh... going to take a break from the server for awhile... I'm making myself seem like an idiot. Just please don't delete my build. I've spent alot of time on it. You're all nice guys, and I don't want to get on your bad side. I just need time to think things over. Thanks for your cooperation, and understanding...

#20 Jutsy

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 02:09 AM

I'm working off two computers here. Been banned from the game while I was working on my Vault 101... I can only assume it was to get my attention. You could have just asked... But I'm afraid I might be coming off as mean, and I don't mean to. Sorry.


It wasn't just to get your attention.

#21 MC_Trikk

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 02:19 AM

Can this be resolved? Is it temporary, or am I done?

#22 Jutsy

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 02:22 AM

Can this be resolved? Is it temporary, or am I done?


If you think you can salvage yourself, make an appeal thread. If you want my personal opinion, you're done.

Locking thread. This is over.


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