But you think that disliking an overrated fictional character is bullying.
Still Hope For Derpy?
#101
Posted 11 May 2013 - 07:08 PM
#102
Posted 11 May 2013 - 07:10 PM
I only like Derpy because she's kinda cute and because DHX used her to give a shoutout to the bronies. I think everyone can appreciate that.
#103
Posted 11 May 2013 - 07:45 PM
#104
Posted 11 May 2013 - 09:34 PM
Or disregard it completely. If you love her so much, make fan art, look up fan art or whatever. theres hundreds of thousands of art work. She will most likely not appear at all in season 4 or be somewhere for a split second in the background.
#105
Posted 11 May 2013 - 09:36 PM
I'm okay with her being a background easter egg. I also wouldn't miss her that much if she disappears completely. Having her have more lines would be nice but I would be worried for the controversy.
#106
Posted 11 May 2013 - 10:25 PM
But you think that disliking an overrated fictional character is bullying.
it was a metaphor, and it kinda of went over disliking.
#107
Posted 11 May 2013 - 11:47 PM
Alright son, Ring a ding ding, Round two begins, the gloves are off and I'm about to bring it back, cause when you talk smack Jack, you gotta expect to get whack Zack cause I'm going on the attack Mack and there ain't no going back.
Let me address some concerns and opinions in this thread as I get into the nitty gritty of what I like to call:
Riding a dead horse with no name or The Peoples Derp vs Common Sense.
Also, you guys are bullying Derpy, saying she is not needed, and i am just a bystander speaking up. also she has a voice actor.
First of all you can not bully a fictional character, it's impossible, believe me I tried.
Second of all Tabitha St. Germain (The voice of Rarity) who voiced Derpy for that fateful episode received a lot of hate from BRONIES for sounding like a guy when she was under the impression Derpy was male.
Third: Derpy is not needed, the show does not revolve around her, even if she does or doesn't continue to make appearances the show will keep being what it is.
Now to clear up any misconception on my opinion on the horse called Derpy Hooves since some believe I am apparently a "hater" for simply being rational.
Do I hate Derpy? No.
Do I like Derpy? No.
You see the Derpy of the show is a horse of a different colour from the one in the fandom. I'm pretty sure Derpy will continue to live on inside the fandom for better or worse, but we are here to talk about T.V. Derpy so please don't bring up and of your Doctor Whooves nonsense since that will not hold up in court.
So when I say "She is not needed" I mean just that, it does not matter if the show does or doesn't have her in the next season. She is not an integral part of the show, she never has been. Bronies simply just get way to damn attached to everything pony that it has become a huge problem dealing with them. Now I am NOT saying I want her removed from the show, I just don't give a damn one way or another.
When I say "There is no hope for her" I am not saying her cause is hopeless, I am saying there is no cause to begin with since bronies don't know what they are fighting about. Bronies are butt hurt over nothing but misconceptions, fallacies, and a false sense of entitlement. Now not all of them are like this since I've met a few rational folks, but then there are the ones like Darkwolf here who sees enemies where there are friends and is blind to his own hypocrisy.
So when I say "Let Derpy go" I mean it, Derpy is turning into some kind of false Martyr of the Brony fandom when she isn't going anywhere and if she does? Who cares? Like I said before Derpy is such an insignificant part of the show it doesn't matter if she continues to show up or not. The Derpy you love is the Fandom Derpy, not the T.V. Derpy, it's nice when she shows up in the background but nothing would change if she wasn't there.
So it's time to unclench your butthurt, stop attacking other bronies like a upset baby and eat a bit of humble pie cause damn this ain't nothing to lose sleep over.
Now to address the problem of Derpys appearance in "The Last Roundup"
Guess what guys, IDGAF and neither should you, this show uses tired one trick pony archetypes so it was a matter of time before they drew the "Retard" card.
Luckily most of you are blaming "Oversensitive Moms" as the cause of this but to those of you who know about Yamino, it's time to stop harassing her. Sure I could care less about Yamino and her opinions but I am not going to send her death threats like some have been.
Face it, Derpy doesn't matter. It's a TV show not some holy second coming of me which needs to be defended and protected.
Now to reiterate the following in Rap/Hip-Hop stylings:
Coming at ya live from beyond tha wall.
the White Walka of the North,
herald of the mortals fall
eyes blue as ice
Standing ten feet tall
you better run when you hear my call.
Sorry Darkwolf but your rhymes are weak
your platform is crumbling beneath yo feet
I gave you one chance to leave your seat
but you chose to act meek
now I'm gonna smack you off the teet
Sorry homeboy but you're up shit creek
Face it son, give up, you lose
and I don't give a damn about Derpy X Doctor Whooves
that pony has been used, and abused
time to let go and if ya enthuse to accuse
then you gonna get bruised by the muse of schmooze
Can I get a whoop-whoop?
Whoop-whoop (x2)
Derpy will live on in the fandom guys, stop being silly.
#firstworldproblems
Edited by Caventh, 11 May 2013 - 11:58 PM.
#108
Posted 12 May 2013 - 12:05 AM
Who the hell is Yamino? I googled her and only found a deviantart page.
#109
Posted 12 May 2013 - 12:46 AM
Who the hell is Yamino? I googled her and only found a deviantart page.
If you don't know then all the better. I'll supply you with further reading via pm if you are so inclined.
#110
Posted 12 May 2013 - 02:26 PM
Alright son, Ring a ding ding, Round two begins, the gloves are off and I'm about to bring it back, cause when you talk smack Jack, you gotta expect to get whack Zack cause I'm going on the attack Mack and there ain't no going back.
Let me address some concerns and opinions in this thread as I get into the nitty gritty of what I like to call:
Riding a dead horse with no name or The Peoples Derp vs Common Sense.
First of all you can not bully a fictional character, it's impossible, believe me I tried.
Second of all Tabitha St. Germain (The voice of Rarity) who voiced Derpy for that fateful episode received a lot of hate from BRONIES for sounding like a guy when she was under the impression Derpy was male.
Third: Derpy is not needed, the show does not revolve around her, even if she does or doesn't continue to make appearances the show will keep being what it is.
Now to clear up any misconception on my opinion on the horse called Derpy Hooves since some believe I am apparently a "hater" for simply being rational.
Do I hate Derpy? No.
Do I like Derpy? No.
You see the Derpy of the show is a horse of a different colour from the one in the fandom. I'm pretty sure Derpy will continue to live on inside the fandom for better or worse, but we are here to talk about T.V. Derpy so please don't bring up and of your Doctor Whooves nonsense since that will not hold up in court.
So when I say "She is not needed" I mean just that, it does not matter if the show does or doesn't have her in the next season. She is not an integral part of the show, she never has been. Bronies simply just get way to damn attached to everything pony that it has become a huge problem dealing with them. Now I am NOT saying I want her removed from the show, I just don't give a damn one way or another.
When I say "There is no hope for her" I am not saying her cause is hopeless, I am saying there is no cause to begin with since bronies don't know what they are fighting about. Bronies are butt hurt over nothing but misconceptions, fallacies, and a false sense of entitlement. Now not all of them are like this since I've met a few rational folks, but then there are the ones like Darkwolf here who sees enemies where there are friends and is blind to his own hypocrisy.
So when I say "Let Derpy go" I mean it, Derpy is turning into some kind of false Martyr of the Brony fandom when she isn't going anywhere and if she does? Who cares? Like I said before Derpy is such an insignificant part of the show it doesn't matter if she continues to show up or not. The Derpy you love is the Fandom Derpy, not the T.V. Derpy, it's nice when she shows up in the background but nothing would change if she wasn't there.
So it's time to unclench your butthurt, stop attacking other bronies like a upset baby and eat a bit of humble pie cause damn this ain't nothing to lose sleep over.
Now to address the problem of Derpys appearance in "The Last Roundup"
Guess what guys, IDGAF and neither should you, this show uses tired one trick pony archetypes so it was a matter of time before they drew the "Retard" card.
Luckily most of you are blaming "Oversensitive Moms" as the cause of this but to those of you who know about Yamino, it's time to stop harassing her. Sure I could care less about Yamino and her opinions but I am not going to send her death threats like some have been.
Face it, Derpy doesn't matter. It's a TV show not some holy second coming of me which needs to be defended and protected.
Now to reiterate the following in Rap/Hip-Hop stylings:
Coming at ya live from beyond tha wall.
the White Walka of the North,
herald of the mortals fall
eyes blue as ice
Standing ten feet tall
you better run when you hear my call.
Sorry Darkwolf but your rhymes are weak
your platform is crumbling beneath yo feet
I gave you one chance to leave your seat
but you chose to act meek
now I'm gonna smack you off the teet
Sorry homeboy but you're up shit creek
Face it son, give up, you lose
and I don't give a damn about Derpy X Doctor Whooves
that pony has been used, and abused
time to let go and if ya enthuse to accuse
then you gonna get bruised by the muse of schmooze
Can I get a whoop-whoop?
Whoop-whoop (x2)
Derpy will live on in the fandom guys, stop being silly.
#firstworldproblems
maybe so, but I do not try to rhyme.....and i don't want derpy in every single episode, just to be in Some parts of the show, kinda like the cutie mark crusaders, maybe less even.
"When you get into a tight place and everything goes against you, till it seems as though you could not hang on a minute longer, never give up then, for that is just the place and time that the tide will turn." -Harriet Beecher Stowe
#111
Posted 12 May 2013 - 02:35 PM
maybe so, but I do not try to rhyme.....and i don't want derpy in every single episode, just to be in Some parts of the show, kinda like the cutie mark crusaders, maybe less even.
"When you get into a tight place and everything goes against you, till it seems as though you could not hang on a minute longer, never give up then, for that is just the place and time that the tide will turn." -Harriet Beecher Stowe
But the tide will never turn, will it?
*snip snip*
Caventh, that was awesome.
#112
Posted 12 May 2013 - 03:14 PM
maybe so, but I do not try to rhyme
what you just saw was not trying, it was succeeding.
#113
Posted 13 May 2013 - 07:46 PM
blazer has every right to hate what he wants to. you can't just say "i like this and that means you're not allowed to not like it"
im not saying that. im just saying keep your opinions to your self unless you would like others to show
he does not have to like derpy he just does not have to be mean about it, sorry i must have worded that wrong before
#114
Posted 13 May 2013 - 07:49 PM
I can say my opinion, as long as I don't force it on anyone.
#115
Posted 14 May 2013 - 03:23 AM
Can we put this to rest? We are not going to know Derpy's fate until Season 4. So lets all wait and see.
Like I said before....
I'm okay with her being a background easter egg. I also wouldn't miss her that much if she disappears completely. Having her have more lines would be nice but I would be worried for the controversy.
I concur... if she gets a couple of lines that would be cool too but not real needy as I can see how it may ruin the mood for the rest of an episode in a sense...
So when I say "She is not needed" I mean just that, it does not matter if the show does or doesn't have her in the next season. She is not an integral part of the show, she never has been. Bronies simply just get way to damn attached to everything pony that it has become a huge problem dealing with them. Now I am NOT saying I want her removed from the show, I just don't give a damn one way or another.
You are right that she is not needed, she is just a character after all, but she is still a part that makes up the show as a whole weather she is obsessed about or not. And yes, she is only seen as being so important because people in general tend to get attached to something they like or "follow" in some cases and can't let go. Of course what does that make me for even posting in this thread right?
When I say "There is no hope for her" I am not saying her cause is hopeless, I am saying there is no cause to begin with since bronies don't know what they are fighting about. Bronies are butt hurt over nothing but misconceptions, fallacies, and a false sense of entitlement. Now not all of them are like this since I've met a few rational folks, but then there are the ones like Darkwolf here who sees enemies where there are friends and is blind to his own hypocrisy.
So it's time to unclench your butthurt, stop attacking other bronies like a upset baby and eat a bit of humble pie cause damn this ain't nothing to lose sleep over.
Guess what guys, IDGAF and neither should you, this show uses tired one trick pony archetypes so it was a matter of time before they drew the "Retard" card.
U MAD BRO? lol No offence, but such harsh words really are not necessary friend ![]()
So when I say "Let Derpy go" I mean it, Derpy is turning into some kind of false Martyr of the Brony fandom when she isn't going anywhere and if she does? Who cares? Like I said before Derpy is such an insignificant part of the show it doesn't matter if she continues to show up or not. The Derpy you love is the Fandom Derpy, not the T.V. Derpy, it's nice when she shows up in the background but nothing would change if she wasn't there.
Perfectly said! 10pts for Griffendor! I really couldn't care less if they left her out, sure it would be a butthurt thing for her not to be there but she is just ONE character who has moved on, or put kindly "retired"... she will live on in the fandom eternal, but be careful... she might be standing right behind you, possibly worse than a phsycotic fluttershy.... or possibly a haunted toaster cozy.... just kidding
Luckily most of you are blaming "Oversensitive Moms" as the cause of this but to those of you who know about Yamino, it's time to stop harassing her. Sure I could care less about Yamino and her opinions but I am not going to send her death threats like some have been.
My mom actually likes the show and she doesn't find it strange that I watch it...nor does she find derpy offensive in any sense. Have you not noticed that most people overreact to something that seems "out of place" to them?
But really everypony(everybody) we need to stop worrying about this nonsense and just let it happen, I see the same thing being key stroked over and Derpy is being taken too seriously as a character in a TV show just look at the video of her crying! Are we helping her role decisions in the show any by flaming on who dislikes and likes her?.... Simply put NO... fandom can be a cruel influence when it is about fictional made characters and TV shows, I have seen it first hand every where... maybe its time to stop and realize the time and effort it took to make such works of art, stop arguing about something you can't do anything about and do something creative and different yourself, or even thrive off the fandom in your unique way, but this thread isn't doing anyone any good anymore since nothing new is being brought up such as weather or not the producers have made a decision.
Plus season four isn't supposed to be out until sometime in the new year from what I have read, so we all have a long wait.
I rest my case...
#116
Posted 14 May 2013 - 09:10 PM
#117
Posted 14 May 2013 - 10:47 PM
Well, i fiqure this topic is ment for people who likes derpy, not someone who would say she is 'retarted' or 'not needed'....
The 2013 award for completely missing the point goes to...
#118
Posted 14 May 2013 - 11:45 PM
I rest my case.
It seems your not resting yet.
#119
Posted 15 May 2013 - 01:48 AM
I love how much drama a fictional grey horse can create
#120
Posted 15 May 2013 - 03:05 AM
I love how much drama a fictional grey horse can create
It's so tasty.
Oh and good points Mongo though you misinterpreted some of what I said.
#121
Posted 15 May 2013 - 09:18 PM
I love how much drama a fictional grey horse can create
Ikr.
#122
Posted 15 May 2013 - 09:30 PM
inb4 adminlocks
#123
Posted 16 May 2013 - 06:14 PM
The admins will only lock this thread if people start getting offended or badmouthing.
So far, i'm impressed at how civil it's been over such a white-hot topic.
#124
Posted 16 May 2013 - 07:07 PM
It's so tasty.
Oh and good points Mongo though you misinterpreted some of what I said.
Bound to happen, we all get carried away with what we can say and it is impossible to interpret words of some one else exactly as they meant, it is the thought that counts right?
I wouldn't make a post in such a thread if I didn't care about Derpy at all, I play as her in Minecraft what can I say ![]()
What tastes better drama pie or Karma pie? That is the question o.O
And now we return to Derpy's baking show.....
Edited by MongoDash!, 16 May 2013 - 07:09 PM.
#125
Posted 26 June 2013 - 09:41 PM
i don't know, you tell me who this is in Equestria Girls, if your not blind or crossed eyed, lol
#126
Posted 27 June 2013 - 02:39 AM
i don't know, you tell me who this is in Equestria Girls, if your not blind or crossed eyed, lol
Stop bumping old threads.
#127
Posted 27 June 2013 - 06:51 AM
I might make a song about it.
Derpy, she suuuuucks
Derpy, I hate her guts.
What can I do.
To take her tyranny awaaaaaaaay
Derpy, I'm screamin' in rage,
See her in fanfics,
Page after page,
Derpy, what can I do.
To get rid of YOOOOUUUUUUUUUUU
srsly thats all you can do? derpy is atleast funnier,cooler,awesome,cute,epic then you!
#128
Posted 27 June 2013 - 06:53 AM
srsly thats all you can do? derpy is atleast funnier,cooler,awesome,cute,epic then you!
The user has successfully been trolled.
Edited by El Pollo Diablo, 27 June 2013 - 06:53 AM.
#129
Posted 27 June 2013 - 12:28 PM
Look, Imma post something for all of you morons who think that hating something makes you appear smarter than the people who like it- That isn't how it works. You can't pretend to be better just because you're in the minority, it just makes you a bigger fool that the people who can accept that it's okay to like something. You prove nothing by saying "Oh look, these people like something, I have to criticise it!"
Grow up. If you think you don't like something and you want to be the bigger person, move RIGHT along and ignore it. Don't try and piss off the people who like it and let them have their fun, stomping on that only makes you twice as bad.
Seriously. Mindless adoration and overprotective love of something might piss me off, but what pisses me off more is you bloody Jerkwads who go out of your way to hate on it. It doesn't make you look more mature, and it doesn't make you better than it's fans. Basically, if you don't enjoy it, GTFO and don't step on the people trying to enjoy themselves.
#130
Posted 27 June 2013 - 03:37 PM
So much drama over what was an animation mistake and became an easter egg.
Tumblr would be proud of you lot.
What's ironic is how this thread started with someone who was a bit late in noticing that Derpy was in the intro, and now it's just a pissing contest.
The best part is that the OP hasn't logged on since they made the thread, and you all basicially hijacked it.
#131
Posted 27 June 2013 - 04:43 PM
I left this thread unlocked for this sole purpose, they have made me proud PureStorm.
#132
Posted 27 June 2013 - 04:59 PM
May I clarify something?
At first, derp is not someone who is mentally challenged, but doing something stupid or clumsy.
Secondly, you can like Derpy and you can also dislike her, but don't dislike someone because he like or dislike her. Personnaly, I like her.
As some said, Derpy was originaly an error, but the community saw it and decided to give her a name, a job, a life. Hasbro decided one day to give us a gift and put her in an episode.
Now, my problem on this is the "omg, she retarded, this is offensive for retarded people".
If it was really how they looks like, so why would they be offended? Yes we're getting fun of her but it's not against her because of that. We always laugh a little bit when someone make a mistake, but it's not meanly. She is funny and that's why we like it.
The only ones who really get offended of her voice and eyes where people thinking it would get mentaly challenged people offended. I personnaly heard of someone mentally handicaped who get offended of the episode... after getting censored because she recognized herself in Derpy, like a lovely character, different but important. It's not because she is different we should ban her!
My best friend has the asperger syndrome (pretty small, most of the time simply look someone a little bit weirdo) and even if I laugh hard when he's clumsy, I like him just like my brother and it's the same for him.
One last thing, personnaly, I found normal people pretty boring... long live to the weirdo!
#133
Posted 27 June 2013 - 05:26 PM
Derpy doesn't have a canon character.. I think this is the point we're all missing. To parents, Derpy was just a character that had been introduced and was made to seem less able than the other ponies, which was emphasised by her voice. With the show being created with a target audience of young girls who are still forming opinions on the world, I think those that objected to Derpy's speaking role had every right to.
Pretty much, although it didn't appeal to the fanbase when her role was changed in 'The Last Roundup', it's really for the best that Hasbro chose to change her voice, otherwise they'd lose some of their audience, likely.
#134
Posted 28 June 2013 - 02:26 AM
Look, Imma post something for all of you morons who think that hating something makes you appear smarter than the people who like it- That isn't how it works. You can't pretend to be better just because you're in the minority, it just makes you a bigger fool that the people who can accept that it's okay to like something. You prove nothing by saying "Oh look, these people like something, I have to criticise it!"
Grow up. If you think you don't like something and you want to be the bigger person, move RIGHT along and ignore it. Don't try and piss off the people who like it and let them have their fun, stomping on that only makes you twice as bad.
Seriously. Mindless adoration and overprotective love of something might piss me off, but what pisses me off more is you bloody Jerkwads who go out of your way to hate on it. It doesn't make you look more mature, and it doesn't make you better than it's fans. Basically, if you don't enjoy it, GTFO and don't step on the people trying to enjoy themselves.

#135
Posted 02 July 2013 - 01:47 AM
If you sit through the equestria girls credits, you see her, not hidden but standing, dancing on her own.
#136
Posted 02 July 2013 - 01:57 AM
I believe they should make an episode for Disability Awareness Month all about Derpy. She deserves it, and it will probably be the only way she would be in an episode now.
#137
Posted 02 July 2013 - 02:01 AM
I believe they should make an episode for Disability Awareness Month all about Derpy. She deserves it, and it will probably be the only way she would be in an episode now.
I don't think Hasbro has it in them to be that progressive.
#138
Posted 02 July 2013 - 08:07 PM
Wait this thread still going? Congrats thread you get the.....

#139
Posted 02 July 2013 - 08:09 PM
Wait this thread still going? Congrats thread you get the.....
Tudexd this is not 4chan.
#140
Posted 02 July 2013 - 08:51 PM
I don't think anyone is Butthurt here except that guy I slam jammed and maybe Royal.
#141
Posted 02 July 2013 - 08:57 PM
Wha? a thread about Derpy and nobody is butthurt? I'm disappointed
#142
Posted 03 July 2013 - 04:53 PM
yeah and they hide her pretty well
#143
Posted 05 July 2013 - 11:44 PM
This thread is still going? What can possibly be left to discuss here other than how much we all loves or hate Derpy?
Look, Imma post something for all of you morons who think that hating something makes you appear smarter than the people who like it- That isn't how it works. You can't pretend to be better just because you're in the minority, it just makes you a bigger fool that the people who can accept that it's okay to like something. You prove nothing by saying "Oh look, these people like something, I have to criticise it!"
Grow up. If you think you don't like something and you want to be the bigger person, move RIGHT along and ignore it. Don't try and piss off the people who like it and let them have their fun, stomping on that only makes you twice as bad.
Seriously. Mindless adoration and overprotective love of something might piss me off, but what pisses me off more is you bloody Jerkwads who go out of your way to hate on it. It doesn't make you look more mature, and it doesn't make you better than it's fans. Basically, if you don't enjoy it, GTFO and don't step on the people trying to enjoy themselves.
Good job mate, for saying exactly what should be said... too bad many people can't get that through their heads and would rather argue from both sides than come to a friendly conclusive opinion and leave it at that, hence why this thread is still going....
#144
Posted 06 July 2013 - 01:22 AM
Why don't we kill two birds with one stone and kill the 20% cooler thing, too?
WHAT?! That's ridiculous! It's Rainbow Dash's punch line!
I suggest to drop derpy. she will never ever get another line or good screentime.
You are suggesting something, but you do realize that there are over 40,000 signatures on a petition to return the scene in The Last Roundup to normal? http://www.change.or...undup-to-normal
Pringles
What the heck is this for?
Let's see...
She's overrated.
A mistake.
Bronies went into a rage pile up when they found Hasbro had censored her.
Every one of her appearances is pointed out hundreds of times in youtube comments.
She is used way too often in fanfics.
(personal) her color scheme harms my eyes.
She is used way too often in non-original character rp (deviantart)
And when I say I dislike her I get swarmed with haters.
There's a reason for that. But seriously though, we're about love and tolerance. This is NOT.
The last episode could have been sending Derpy out with a bang or they were telling us that she will still be there. The message is unclear
We have to wait and see what they do for season 4/ movie
In the movie, if she was there, she was hidden REALLY well. I searched very well.
#145
Posted 06 July 2013 - 02:48 AM
In the movie, if she was there, she was hidden REALLY well. I searched very well.
Try looking for a humanized version, two have been found already.
#146
Posted 06 July 2013 - 02:49 AM
WHAT?! That's ridiculous! It's Rainbow Dash's punch line!
Not really, it was said once and is little more than very annoying
You are suggesting something, but you do realize that there are over 40,000 signatures on a petition to return the scene in The Last Roundup to normal? http://www.change.or...undup-to-normal
Relative to the series as a whole, her role as a character is incredibly minor; removing Derpy altogether is not that huge of a deal in the grand scheme of things
What the heck is this for?
because lel
There's a reason for that. But seriously though, we're about love and tolerance. This is NOT.
what does "love and tolerance" have to do with a very minor background character?
In the movie, if she was there, she was hidden REALLY well. I searched very well.
okay
#147
Posted 06 July 2013 - 03:25 AM
The fandom is filled with whiny babies that are too busy complaining to understand the reason WHY she was censored. I like Derpy, but I understand why Hasbro doesn't want to put her back in and it's better for her to stay as a fandom injoke.
Edited by Luigi, 06 July 2013 - 03:25 AM.
#148
Posted 06 October 2013 - 04:02 PM
I suggest to drop derpy. she will never ever get another line or good screentime.
she did did on equestria girls
#149
Posted 06 October 2013 - 04:06 PM
she did did on equestria girls
don't bump useless flame war threads... Please
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