"If anything, honestly" - Ahappypichu
It's just that the lines on his body is a lot thicker than that on his sword. It really throws me off :L
Posted 13 January 2013 - 06:38 PM
"If anything, honestly" - Ahappypichu
It's just that the lines on his body is a lot thicker than that on his sword. It really throws me off :L
Posted 13 January 2013 - 06:39 PM
It really is well done though :3
Posted 13 January 2013 - 06:54 PM
"If anything, honestly" - Ahappypichu
It's just that the lines on his body is a lot thicker than that on his sword. It really throws me off :L
Yeah I might change that. Also, the sword's blade is not where near as centered as I want it to be.
Posted 13 January 2013 - 06:55 PM
Aww, I really like drawing anthros, it's a nice change from ponies OuO
[Modding stated level from "Neutral" to "Allied"]
Posted 13 January 2013 - 06:55 PM
Aww, I really like drawing anthros, it's a nice change from ponies OuO
do yours want to kill me?
and too much community faffle!
Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:00 PM
NEVER ENOUGH!

NEVER

ENOOOOOOOOOOOUGH

Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:01 PM
do yours want to kill me?
WELL, I do have Rarity holding a spear, Rainbow Dash in a combat suit with missiles, Pinkie Pie holding an AR 15, and Scootaloo an F-22 Raptor pilot, so the answer would most likely be "no."
Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:02 PM
My anthro wants to kill you.

Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:14 PM
This thread is now reaction thread.
Posted 13 January 2013 - 08:10 PM

Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:45 PM
Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:48 PM
I'll get pURE to move this to Shenanigans if you guys want this to be like that.
Okay
Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:48 PM
Yeah, no. Settle down a bit on the gifs.
Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:52 PM
And for the final push off the rails:
Things you are not allowed to do at Hogwarts, by Argus Flinch.
Gathered from several terms of mischief.
WARNING: Over 1,000 lines of pure, pointless text.
Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:56 PM
Oh my gaaah, my wrist is angry at meee, but this Tumblr-ask thing is absolutely addictive.
Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:02 PM
Oh my gaaah, my wrist is angry at meee, but this Tumblr-ask thing is absolutely addictive.
You don't have to accommodate your followers every minute of every day. Leave them something to look forward to.
Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:06 PM
Do what I do with MyLittleAnthros and use the queue. I have it set up so it posts a new piece of artwork every two hours, which allows me to balance my content across the day as opposed to posting it all in one go.
Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:09 PM
Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:13 PM
....oh?
Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:15 PM
Or do what I do and laugh at Tumblr.
Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:17 PM
Yeah, but... I'm only posting my own art, in response to people's questions... o3o;
Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:19 PM
Maybe only do 1-3 questions a day. Pace yourself.
Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:20 PM
Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:20 PM
But it's so much fun, aaahhhh! xD
@ Tom:
I don't have the monies, honestly, but for your work, I'd prolly pay $7-$10 for a standard pony OC commish.
I just wish I could D:
Edited by DefectiveTurret, 13 January 2013 - 10:22 PM.
Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:29 PM
Edited by Tom_EN, 13 January 2013 - 10:33 PM.
Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:32 PM
let's see.
Your anthro art is DEFINITELY your best so I'd say
For any form of art print (posters and what-what) I'd say $15-20.
For just, a commision, $10-15
For lineart $7-10
For sketches $2-5
Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:39 PM
Since you're new to commissions, you should definitely start at a small price range, like the one you've suggested or Faffle suggested. If, a month or two down the line, you're consistently getting customers and more followers, you can raise the prices to something more typical as to what you find among Tumblr.
From experience on various art sites and tumblr, what determines the prices is mostly popularity rather than quality and complexity. I've seen artists charge 20$ for a commission another charge twice that for a commission of similar quality. If it's their sole form of income or their actual job doesn't earn that much for them, that bumps the price too. Supply and demand is the name of the game here.
In terms of pony commissions, I've rarely seen someone charge more than 15$ for a fully coloured and shaded non-anthro pony, if that's any reference. Anthro ponies are typically 5-10$ more. That scales when it comes to sketches, linearts and flat colour pieces.
Example;
Non-anthro: 3$ sketch, 5$ lineart, 7$ flats, 10$ shaded.
Anthro: 5$ sketch, 8$ lineart, 10$ flats, 15$ shaded.
I wouldn't recommend offering prints. Most artists don't bother, since you normally have to also factor in post & packaging costs, which varies depending on location.
Also, you may or may not want to do this, but also have a slot system for commissions. Given that you're new, it may not be necessary to start with, but it's definitely something to consider if demand raises. As for number of slots, I recommend 5-10 slots. Less is only good if you don't get that many commissions. More means commissioners may have to wait longer for you to finish their commission. Some artists do this and, to make it even worse, some of them do their commissions at a very leisurely pace. That tends to piss off the more impatient commissioners.
Never be afraid to decline a commission if you don't like the design or idea. If you're not enjoying what you're doing, then it's not worth it, even if you're getting paid to do so.
EDIT: Someone that I follow on tumblr just opened up for anthro pony commissions, at 35$ for a flat colour. Again their art gets a lot of attention on Tumblr. I reckon they're smart with the pricing, since with so many followers, all the more likely that someone who's willing to spend more money will do so, not to mention that they're one of the, in my own opinion, better anthro pony artists on Tumblr! link
Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:56 PM
Do note I've added a fair bit more to my above post.
Posted 13 January 2013 - 11:21 PM
Posted 13 January 2013 - 11:23 PM
A smart choice. Consider the first few commissions as research to gauge interest in commissions and how much you should charge.
Posted 13 January 2013 - 11:41 PM
It was brought to my attention that most commissions are illegal because it is an income based on a type of business, therefore should be taxed by the government. However, nobody is. But it still is technically evading tax laws the way i understand it.
Posted 13 January 2013 - 11:58 PM
Really? That's.......
silly.
Posted 14 January 2013 - 12:00 AM
It was brought to my attention that most commissions are illegal because it is an income based on a type of business, therefore should be taxed by the government. However, nobody is. But it still is technically evading tax laws the way i understand it.
I haven't seen anyone taken to jail or carted off for doing original works and selling it, especially since it IS an original work.
Edit in some cool little evidences...
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"Fan-art of copyrighted characters has no legal protection. If you draw Simba or Nala or Kovu, you are creating a derivative work-- something that U.S. law explicitly defines as being owned by the creator of the original work. Without Disney's permission, all fan-art and fan-fiction using their characters is in fact illegal. Now, don't panic-- most entertainment companies (like Disney, Paramount, Dreamworks, etc.) tend to overlook these kinds of copyright violations. (That's how lionking.org has continued to exist all these years.) They realize that fan creativity is worth more to them in having good relations with their fans than they would gain by aggressively pursuing each and every violation, because usually nobody makes any money off fan-based creations. But that doesn't mean that it's not illegal. The Lion King fan-art and fan-fiction community exists solely because Disney allows it to."
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"If I make up my own stories, but base them on another work, my new work belongs to me."
False. U.S. Copyright law is quite explicit that the making of what are called "derivative works" -- works based or derived from another copyrighted work -- is the exclusive province of the owner of the original work. This is true even though the making of these new works is a highly creative process. If you write a story using settings or characters from somebody else's work, you need that author's permission.
Yes, that means almost all "fan fiction" is arguably a copyright violation. If you want to write a story about Jim Kirk and Mr. Spock, you need Paramount's permission, plain and simple. Now, as it turns out, many, but not all holders of popular copyrights turn a blind eye to "fan fiction" or even subtly encourage it because it helps them. Make no mistake, however, that it is entirely up to them whether to do that.
There is a major exception -- criticism and parody. The fair use provision says that if you want to make fun of something like Star Trek, you don't need their permission to include Mr. Spock. This is not a loophole; you can't just take a non-parody and claim it is one on a technicality. The way "fair use" works is you get sued for copyright infringement, and you admit you did copy, but that your copying was a fair use. A subjective judgment on, among other things, your goals, is then made.
However, it's also worth noting that a court has never ruled on this issue, because fan fiction cases always get settled quickly when the defendant is a fan of limited means sued by a powerful publishing company. Some argue that completely non-commercial fan fiction might be declared a fair use if courts get to decide."
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I also don't see it as "Evading" or "Avoiding" tax laws. Every rule has an exception, whether it's big or little, and I'm pretty sure no sane artist is going to call up the government demanding to be taxed.
Edit: Oh, and is there a hangout up? The previous link was dead.
Edited by RunningWolf251, 14 January 2013 - 12:06 AM.
Posted 14 January 2013 - 12:47 AM
Yeeeeee. Join us in teh hangout, get those creative juices flowing! ![]()
Art and general awesomeness ensues. OwO
Posted 14 January 2013 - 01:12 AM
In any case, you shouldn't worry. Since you're only starting, the last thing you need to care about is being taxed.
If transactions are strictly within Paypal, then it should sort itself out. If the commissioner sends the money as 'payment', then they also pay a tiny extra fee, usually no more than a dollar more, when sending the money. This money goes to Paypal. Payments this way are completely legal.
Some artists ask that you send money via 'gift'. The commissioner doesn't pay that little extra fee. Legally you shouldn't do commissions this way, as there's no extra tax either party is paying. Gifting should only be used for personal reasons. And never in large amounts, i.e. several hundreds or thousands of dollars.
The other way to do it, very few artists do this and more should is the request money function. This is where you write a request to the commissioner for the money required as opposed to them sending the money themselves. All the commissioner has to do is click on the email and send the money. You're less likely to get screwed over by idiots who can't use paypal this way.
Here's a guide that was written for Furaffinity users. Warning: there's some minor mention of NSFW stuff, but only to get across the point on how commissioners could fuck up and make your life hell.
http://i11.photobuck...paypal-full.jpg
In regards to naming your emails when you're sending the money request, I don't think you need to be as vague as Cookie Sheets. For a shaded commission, something as simple as "Shaded Commission" would work. Or even just "Commission".
Example roleplay of a commissioner and the artist;
Commissioner:
Hello I would like to commission you for a shaded commission.
This includes blah blah blah.
Artist:
Okay, that will be 15$!
I just need your paypal email and I will send you the payment request!
NB: Some artists wait until they've done a sketch or finished completely before asking for payment.
Commissioner:
Okay my email is xxxxxx@xxxxxx
Artist:
Request sent. It should be called "Tsar is a grump!"
Commissioner sees the email and sends the payment.
They may or may not sent the artist an message saying they sent the payment.
That's the only roleplaying I'll ever do. Ever.
Edited by pUREsTORM, 14 January 2013 - 01:56 AM.
That quote and stuff I removed is now pointless since I've explained how to do it legally via paypal.
Posted 14 January 2013 - 02:00 AM
This conversations on skype looks like a parody of mumble
Posted 14 January 2013 - 02:20 AM
That's the only roleplaying I'll ever do. Ever.
We should rp together sometime, you're pretty good. Better than some, at least.
Posted 14 January 2013 - 02:53 AM
For lack of a better term I used "evading". I'm speaking from experience in law, that if you offer a service or a good to the general public or market, you must list it as a source of income and be taxed for that received money. However nobody does this, and the governments don't micromanage like that to chase after teenagers and adults selling their art for 5- 10 bucks.
I am in no way shape or form saying that it should be taxed. I find absolutely no problem in those transactions. However from a legal perspective, it's a different story.
Anyways... moving on.
Edited by Golfmann14, 14 January 2013 - 03:04 AM.
Posted 14 January 2013 - 03:08 AM
I would love to go in and chat but I really don't know how google+ works
Posted 14 January 2013 - 04:38 AM
Aw man, you guys left :L
Posted 14 January 2013 - 01:19 PM
I would love to go in and chat but I really don't know how google+ works
All it is is like an instant messenger, but you have the option of using a webcam, a microphone, sharing the contents of your screen, watching youtube videos, or (if you don't want to do any of those, you can choose to use just a mic or just share your screen, etc) you can just listen and use the text box to chat.
Posted 14 January 2013 - 01:41 PM
waaagh, I keep missing the funny stuffs now, maybe tommorrow if you guys start one.
Also, I see the prices for commissions listed. Personally, when art that is just two red splotches sels in museams for 20k or more, I think that 70 bucks is fine. And that is what I pay.
Posted 14 January 2013 - 01:50 PM
waaagh, I keep missing the funny stuffs now, maybe tommorrow if you guys start one.
Also, I see the prices for commissions listed. Personally, when art that is just two red splotches sels in museams for 20k or more, I think that 70 bucks is fine. And that is what I pay.
Will probably be one nearly every day, including today. They might start later than they were though, because of school and such. There's always some bored pony out there...
Posted 14 January 2013 - 02:08 PM
I would love to go in and chat but I really don't know how google+ works
Posted 14 January 2013 - 03:28 PM
Did you write that all yourself? o3o
Posted 14 January 2013 - 03:51 PM
Google Hangouts is a video conferencing utility for Google+ users. To join one, you must sign up for a Google+ account (It's free, but you would have to use an appropriate name, not a silly nickname - you could get banned for that). ONce signed up, you may start your own Hangout by clicking on the "Start Hangout" button on the right side of your Google+ homepage, or you could join an existing Hangout by clicking on the provided link, which will be posted here evertime a Hangout is in session. You will be directed to a Google Hangouts window/tab where you can join.
When joining, you will have the chance to preview who is already in the Hangout and may chose to mute your mic or disable your webcam by using the corresponding buttons located at the top-left corner.
An example of a Google Hangout window (That's not me in the picture. just a random Google search image)
Once you have joined, depending on the ammout of people already in the Hangout, your mic might be muted on default, make sure your mic is unmuted if you would like to talk to the rest of the group. On the LEFT side are your apps, you can use these to work together in Google Docs, watch YouTube videos together, share your screen(s), or do other things. On the RIGHT side is the chat box, users who does not have a mic or does not wich to speak may use this to communicate with the rest of the group. You may toggle the text chat by clicking on the "Chat" app on the left side. Along the BOTTOM is where you will see who is in the Hangout with you, you may hover your mouse over their avatar to access mro information and options. You may leave the Hangout anytime by clicking on the "Hang Up" icon at the upper-right corner and rejoin at a later time, don't worry, we won't be sad if you leave... Well, maybe a little.
All of the helpful! ![]()
Lemme know when another one starts. I got some work to do early today, but I'd still like to drop by later on~
Posted 14 January 2013 - 04:43 PM
Did you write that all yourself? o3o
Posted 14 January 2013 - 04:43 PM
I typed all that from a terrible campus computer, respect me!
Wow. Props man.
Posted 14 January 2013 - 05:01 PM
And to answer the other question, there will most likely be a Hangout everyday, usually in the afternoon (EST) when everyone returns from school/work. You can even start your own Hangout if you are in the mood for one and there is none in session or your time zone is too extreme to join normally. Do check first to see if there is any Hangout already in session before starting your own, multiple Hagouts would just be verry confusing. Make sure you post the link to the Hangout you created here so others can join you. I will see if I can streamline this thread and turn it into the "official" Hangouts thread where everyone can check back and see if there is any Hangout going on.
Warning: Joining Hangouts may result in extreme levels of procrastination, ridiculousness, and overall nothing-gets-doneness.
Edited by Tom_EN, 14 January 2013 - 05:01 PM.
Posted 14 January 2013 - 05:17 PM
Warning: Joining Hangouts may result in extreme levels of procrastination, ridiculousness, and overall nothing-gets-doneness.
More than you know...
Edited by Golfmann14, 14 January 2013 - 05:20 PM.
Posted 14 January 2013 - 05:53 PM
Google Hangouts is a video conferencing utility for Google+ users. To join one, you must sign up for a Google+ account (It's free, but you would have to use an appropriate name, not a silly nickname - you could get banned for that). ONce signed up, you may start your own Hangout by clicking on the "Start Hangout" button on the right side of your Google+ homepage, or you could join an existing Hangout by clicking on the provided link, which will be posted here evertime a Hangout is in session. You will be directed to a Google Hangouts window/tab where you can join.
When joining, you will have the chance to preview who is already in the Hangout and may chose to mute your mic or disable your webcam by using the corresponding buttons located at the top-left corner.
An example of a Google Hangout window (That's not me in the picture. just a random Google search image)
Once you have joined, depending on the ammout of people already in the Hangout, your mic might be muted on default, make sure your mic is unmuted if you would like to talk to the rest of the group. On the LEFT side are your apps, you can use these to work together in Google Docs, watch YouTube videos together, share your screen(s), or do other things. On the RIGHT side is the chat box, users who does not have a mic or does not wich to speak may use this to communicate with the rest of the group. You may toggle the text chat by clicking on the "Chat" app on the left side. Along the BOTTOM is where you will see who is in the Hangout with you, you may hover your mouse over their avatar to access mro information and options. You may leave the Hangout anytime by clicking on the "Hang Up" icon at the upper-right corner and rejoin at a later time, don't worry, we won't be sad if you leave... Well, maybe a little.
Thanks for the info! I will be sure to join sometime soon. Also do you have a problem with kids in the hangout? Because I'm only 13.
Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:01 PM
Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:03 PM
Thanks for the info! I will be sure to join sometime soon. Also do you have a problem with kids in the hangout? Because I'm only 13.
I honestly don't mind, but i'm not responsible for anything that happens in a Google hangout. so there may be some colorful language or some less appropriate artwork being done. So you can join. just join at your own consent.
Edited by ahappypichu, 14 January 2013 - 06:03 PM.
Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:05 PM
I'm alright with the language and SOME innappropriate artowrk. Also I can't join right now. I'm just on one of the school computers. Will there be one in about 4 hours when I go home from school?
Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:10 PM
I'm alright with the language and SOME innappropriate artowrk. Also I can't join right now. I'm just on one of the school computers. Will there be one in about 4 hours when I go home from school?
we usually do have one on most of the day. so we should still be on.
Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:12 PM
Alright thanks.
Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:20 PM
I've come on about 7 hours later than it started and everyone is still on o3o
Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:40 PM
I've come on about 7 hours later than it started and everyone is still on o3o
That happens ![]()
Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:58 PM
Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:10 PM
I must join, the chat only. My webcam is crud.
Looking forward to it ![]()
Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:11 PM
Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:17 PM
Tell me when you are about to join so I don't go and try to guess who is the person who just joined.
Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:20 PM
I'm going onto it now
Nuuu! No Party, shall I make a new one?
Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:23 PM
https://plus.google....uthuser=0&hl=en
This one should work.
Edited by RunningWolf251, 14 January 2013 - 07:23 PM.
Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:21 PM
I iz done ![]()

Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:29 PM
I iz done
awsummm! gunz n poniz!
also, if any artist here has not added me on skype please do not hesitate. I honestly mostly do not bite!
My name is SpinnenEend
also, Tom said I should draw with a virtual cam and show you guys me drawing. to be honest I would be a bit shy doing that since I start out horribly and make about a million mistakes till I get to the refining part.. but I guess I could try it once, right?
Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:31 PM
I iz done
I am inferior .-.
Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:39 PM
also, Tom said I should draw with a virtual cam and show you guys me drawing. to be honest I would be a bit shy doing that since I start out horribly and make about a million mistakes till I get to the refining part.. but I guess I could try it once, right?
How do you think the rest of us start? With a perfect image? Lol...
Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:39 PM
How do you think the rest of us start? With a perfect image? Lol...
Yes
Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:40 PM
Yes
We can't all be like you D:
Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:41 PM
We can't all be like you D:
Like me? wat ?_?
Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:55 PM
Like me? wat ?_?
How do you think the rest of us start? With a perfect image? Lol...
Yes
Like so.
Posted 14 January 2013 - 10:42 PM
well. turret, tom and pichus seem to do it pretty well :I
Posted 14 January 2013 - 10:43 PM
No, we did not start out doing drawings like that. You just need some time and some practice.
Posted 14 January 2013 - 11:01 PM
Man, I wish I cold join. But I'm overloaded work.
When I do get on, I gotta share with you guys my idea for an ask blog!
Posted 14 January 2013 - 11:11 PM
well. turret, tom and pichus seem to do it pretty well :I
hAH just go a bit back on my request thread and see the horrid world of my old art
Posted 15 January 2013 - 11:55 AM
Posted 15 January 2013 - 11:57 AM
Ah well, I'd join tomorrow or something, but I must be off for a few weeks :/
Posted 15 January 2013 - 03:34 PM
well. turret, tom and pichus seem to do it pretty well :I
Hold on. I need to find you some of my early-2000s art. It makes me physically ill.
Here, try this one. This is one of Aaron's eeeeaaarliest designs - he still had black hair and a really bland outfit, and he talked like Jar-Jar Binks because what in the nine levels of hell was I THINKING.
This was also a very early part of my "celshade" phase. I obviously had no idea what I was doing. _A_,,
His love of gummi sharks hasn't changed a tick, though. xD
HNNNNG PAINT SHOP PRO YOU CAUSED DRUGS TO HAPPEN IN MY ART. LEAVE...JUST...LEAVE.
Edited by DefectiveTurret, 15 January 2013 - 03:36 PM.
Posted 15 January 2013 - 03:37 PM
Hold on. I need to find you some of my early-2000s art. It makes me physically ill.
Here, try this one. This is one of Aaron's eeeeaaarliest designs - he still had black hair and a really bland outfit, and he talked like Jar-Jar Binks because what in the nine levels of hell was I THINKING.
This was also a very early part of my "celshade" phase. I obviously had no idea what I was doing. _A_,,
His love of gummi sharks hasn't changed a tick, though. xD
So kawaii.
Posted 15 January 2013 - 06:58 PM
Take a look at this terrible thing last year, what was I thinking using sketchy edges >.>

Posted 15 January 2013 - 07:22 PM
lol.. I think it looks fine, Tom. Sketchy edges are a kind of stylistic thing, IMO. Not so much an automatic artfail. I personally think sketchiness makes a for a pretty nice effect for action/macabre art.
Posted 15 January 2013 - 08:56 PM
It's time to D-D-D-D-D-D-DRAW~
Posted 15 January 2013 - 09:38 PM
ahhh! turret you answered my 'ask aaron' tumblr question! I am asking more
(it totally wasn the question asking how old he was and why his hair was silver/grey. zero chance)
Posted 15 January 2013 - 09:38 PM
What's your tumblr Turret?
Posted 15 January 2013 - 09:40 PM
Posted 15 January 2013 - 09:41 PM
I made a cool button! Click on it and join the Hangout ![]()
Posted 15 January 2013 - 11:58 PM
I'm too afraid it might explode.
Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:08 AM

Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:42 AM
god everyone's AFK.
THIS SUCKS.
Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:42 AM
I'm not afk, I'm playing gamez D:
Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:46 AM
Posted 16 January 2013 - 03:16 PM
god everyone's AFK.
THIS SUCKS.
I was so sad I had to leave yesterday D:
Posted 16 January 2013 - 03:19 PM
I was so sad I had to leave yesterday D:
I feel like a rebel. I posted a question on your tumblr .-.
Posted 16 January 2013 - 03:54 PM
I feel like a rebel. I posted a question on your tumblr .-.
I saw >w< I'll get to it as soon as I can. There's a lot more Q's then I'd anticipated. @w@;;;
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