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#1 Ratty

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 08:47 AM

It's ok for anyone to post in this thread, this isn't a ban appeal or a touchy subject like what is usually in here.


I wish this guy raised these points here, we could have explained. He at least articulated them well.

I spent a week with the brohoof server, and that week wasn't exactly a favorable one.

The people who run and manage brohoof are MLP Elitists and Zealots of the highest caliber, you won't find bronys anywhere like these folks.

The only thing I can think of to compare to the brohoof server is an Elitist Hardcore World of Warcraft guild. Like an elitist guild, they have an application process, a demonstration/competition phase, and a trust phase before they even acknowledge you as a fellow brohoof.

The application they run consists of an Introduction & Submission. Basically to rule out any undesirables who are unwilling to follow strict guidelines and rules.

After passing, you are promoted to builder. Now you have to prove to what extent your abilities of a builder are. This involves numerous town structures, kissing ass to the admins, and making sure you ask the permission of the admins for anything you do while on the server.

If you can manage the above for a few months, they add you to the brohoof Elite builders group (the ones that build the key landmarks from the actual show) and if you continue to follow their strict guidelines and rules, then you are a fully brain-washed brony, worthy of manipulation from Ratty and his cohorts.

I speak with exaggeration, but the attitude remains the same. At no point did I feel I was welcomed, (my intro post had no replies) the admins never acknowledged my stay or even about who I was. They just do not care. They show no respect to new members, they demand respect from you, and they have this mentality that you are "privilaged" to even be able to play on their server.

It is apalling to me, that a server, built around a show based on friendship would treat others in such a demeaning fashion. This was why I quit WoW, to avoid people like these.


He has some points, but he came on when we were just absolutely flooded with people, so its a little bit unreasonable to have expected a reply to his introductions post, or for the admins to notice him.
And he is confusing respect with ass kissing, considering all the stress we have to endure filtering out the mean people (just read the posts in this forum and you can see it all), I think the least we can ask is for people to respect us.
I've done a lot of work to try to give people that don't make the cut stuff to do too, such as the freebuild worlds, but that got wrecked by the unexpected flood of new people by the yogscast mention. I couldn't keep up with the demand, so I did what I could to make sure the approved builders at least could get in.

I don't think we're for everyone, that's why I worked out a deal to promote bronycraft.net, then at least they can have a nice home.

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 09:15 AM

I recognize this guy. He came here and didn't pass his submission. He had some sort of angry issue and got really pissy and claimed he would do everything in his power to give us a bad name and make sure we never got new members ever again. I wouldn't even bother listening to what he has to say, to be honest.

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 09:46 AM

Oh, I might be wasting my time then, however I do think in that post he articulated pretty well a lot of the bad impression we gave people during the flood. So it gave me a good excuse to bring it up and explain. Or maybe I am wasting my time and the good people we have already figured out that we were just completely overwhelmed?
I really hate real elitism, like a gang that thinks they're better than everyone. But we do look like that, so I encourage everyone to be helpful, if they have time. And I think generally we are, though I don't appreciate seeing people calling the new people "noobs" right out of the gate, that does not represent us well. This whole topic has been bugging me lately, whenever I see elitism crop up, like when some of the builders tried to tell people they couldn't enter an area, I squashed that hard. It is a natural tendency I think, and it just needs to be resisted.
So if that guy really was like that on our server, good riddance, but its still a conversation worth having amongst us.

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 10:32 AM

I think this... http://www.brohoof.c...php?f=19&t=2746 ...might have been the guy I was thinking of. I reread the the whole thing and didn't see where he threatened the server, so maybe it was someone else, but it does still seem to have the same wording and mannerisms as this guy. Oh well. Either way, the guy who wrote that was most likely just mad because he failed his submission.

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 10:35 AM

Oh god I hope it wasn't him, he was just "obtuse". No matter what angle I used to try to explain, he would just get madder and madder rather than try to meet me halfway. Oh and that guy left us a long time ago, this new guy said he was here for a week, and that post was made earlier today, so he must have been here only during the yogscast flood.

I'm not that concerned with convincing each individual, but rather I look to see if we should change anything.
So far the only thing I got out of this was we probably gave a cold impression during the flood, but I don't know how we could have handled that perfectly, maybe next time I'd spam warnings about we're overloaded, so people should please not take it personally that we can't get to know them, because its impossible for 10 people to greet 90.

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 04:39 PM

From this post:

The only thing I can think of to compare to the brohoof server is an Elitist Hardcore World of Warcraft guild. Like an elitist guild.


From that 5 page long saga.

Reminds me of those healers that always stood in the void zones (I believe that is the correct term, a void zone is a location where a player will instantly die if they are standing there at the wrong time.

In an RP sense I've always understood the only way to get anywhere is to simply follow 90% of what the other person wants.

Of course. It's like starting a raid group in my MMOs.

I never got into large scale end-game in my MMOs (well, only WoW) because there were too many scammers who would steal gear.


This isn't even half of the WoW metaphors I found.
I have no doubt it's the same guy.

That aside.
It scares me to say this, but he is right about alot of things,
and as the server get more popular, (The Yogs aren't the only reason for the traffic.) his points will only become more real.

Maybe it can't be helped, (it should be discouraged heavily!) but with isn't like a normal server, there are standard set in place, and for good reason.

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 05:10 PM

Y'know, I've actually started playing on both servers now, but only the PonyCraft because it has more slots (seventy) so I can almost always get on. I've been playing for four months now, and they're really nice. For the sake of avoiding a warning, or even a ban though, I'll refrain from advertising it, but I still agree. Those guys over there are really nice to new players, and I'm glad they are, but I also can't place the blame on you guys, either. These strict guidelines are for the most accurate remake of Equestrian sities, or so I believe they are. Anyways, I'll still continue playing. Thanks for bringing this up.

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 05:18 PM

I think that every point he makes can be explained by a legitimate reason, and if people really want to be a part of this server, those are things that you need to get over. Anyone who has the gall to say that the admins of Brohoof are elitist and disrespectful obviously hasn't spent enough time on the server and doesn't know what he/she is saying. Also, he clearly doesn't know how the process goes for getting builder right on the server. Yes, it could be that in some chaos he was left alone and not greeted warmly by the admins/server, or, maybe this was before the rush, and for some reason he was skipped over a lot or ignored in chat, but either way, do we really want people on the server who need to be told how great they are everyday and need to be coddled and babied because they can't handle rejection? I think we are better off if these people leave. Also, maybe he'll keep even more people from flooding the server. I know that I, personally, try, whenever I am on, to be help and kind to any new people. I welcome anyone who is joining for the first time. Anyone who asks a question that isn't really stupid and I know the answer, I try to help them. I try to give CMCs advice on their submissions. I know not everyone is helpful and kind, but you can't force to people do that, and it's really hard for the few admins and builders on at a single time to help every single person with all of their problems. But people aren't idiots(for the most part), they can solve their own problems if they try. /endrant

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 06:39 PM

Avoiding elitism is a delicate balance between being a victim and being a bully. Both victims and bullies can carry elitist attitudes. It's important to stand up for yourself and your friends, but it's also important to be forgiving and merciful. Be strict and have standards so you can avoid absolute chaos, but don't exasperate those under your authority to the point of being a control freak.

This guy's bad experience was probably just the result of coming on during a busy time. I personally had a great submission experience. I had many builders visit my house to give pointers and advice. I think it's great that builders have the opportunity to give advice like that when they get bored or are waiting for inspiration for their next build. Of course, I got on well after the massive initial surge of users, but whatever. With as few staff as you have on at any given time, I doubt you could handle that many people very well.

You might want to consider having moderators on the server. These would be staff members who would have similar powers to an admin but wouldn't have the final say like an admin. For instance, if a moderator banned someone, an admin could always come in and say, "Oh, this was a misunderstanding," or, "Hmm, I'll give you a second chance, but you've been warned," and then unban the user in question.

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 06:43 PM

I find a few things at fault with this guys views, not only about Brohoof but the comparisons that he is trying to draw to WoW.
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1. I wouldn't really call the introduction process a way to, "rule out any undesirables who are unwilling to follow strict guidelines and rules." I wouldn't even go so far to call the submissions process that. I try to make it very clear to everyone who asks about the submissions process that it isn't about being an amazing builder, but instead it is about being able to build to a theme and having more than adequate building and design skills.


2. Now I have a VERY big problem with what he says about builder rank.

After passing, you are promoted to builder. Now you have to prove to what extent your abilities of a builder are. This involves numerous town structures, kissing ass to the admins, and making sure you ask the permission of the admins for anything you do while on the server.

This is someone who clearly didn't even bother to read ANY of the city/town threads. Easily 60-70% of the plots if not more in Equestria are as simple as posting that you are taking the plot then there is no other interaction with an admin or the forums at all. I personally try to push home the fact that the N. Ponyville plots, which is what a good bulk of the plots claimed on the server are, do not require permission but just require you to acknowledge the fact that you are taking that area.


3. I personally take insult to the next part.

If you can manage the above for a few months, they add you to the brohoof Elite builders group (the ones that build the key landmarks from the actual show) and if you continue to follow their strict guidelines and rules, then you are a fully brain-washed brony, worthy of manipulation from Ratty and his cohorts.

I've been on this server a little less than a month and I personally have two canon buildings in Ponyville, a mansion in Bucklynn, and my mall, all of which are either showcase buildings or are in showcase areas. When the bowling alley was under construction, I was still very much a new member of the community and all I had to do was ask if I could take a stab at building the exterior. While that was going on, there was a team in freebuild of both experienced members and newer members alike working together to build the interior. And with this "Elite builders group" he mentions, where the hell did he get that? He might be referencing the WBT, but clearly he doesn't read the forums, as stated earlier, because there is the topic being brought up in the WBT thread that we haven't built anything as a group recently. Hell he might even be referencing trusted builder, but even then that isn't common knowledge and I personally didn't even know about the trusted builder rank until I got it. Or maybe he is referencing the title of the builder sections of the forums since it is called Elite Builders.


4. And finally on his initial post.

I speak with exaggeration, but the attitude remains the same. At no point did I feel I was welcomed, (my intro post had no replies) the admins never acknowledged my stay or even about who I was. They just do not care. They show no respect to new members, they demand respect from you, and they have this mentality that you are 'privilaged' to even be able to play on their server.

I can see where he would say something about his introduction thread, but if he even bothered to look at the subforum that he posted in he would see the sheer VOLUME of introduction threads that were posted just after the yogscast episode and how unrealistic it is to expect someone to respond to every single one of those threads. From the later half of that statement, it leads me to believe that this is the kind of person that was begging chat to get CMC rank while the admins were busy then once his submission was finished he spammed chat for an admin to come check it. Again it is his unrealistic expectations that lead him to believe that our relatively small admin base can personally cater to EVERY SINGLE new member we got. I know for a fact that a good bulk of the builders were and still are trying their best to help supplement the work of the admins by not only welcoming new members when the log in, but also answering the more common questions and giving advice and helpful tips to the CMCs building their submissions.

5. Now I have a few problems with the parallels he draws to WoW. Clearly this is someone who hasn't played WoW in a VERY long time. End game raiding is almost completely a joke at this point until you get into the hard modes, and even those are pretty lulzy. On any server with an sort of healthy population will have PuG (pickup group) raids running every night on top of the new Looking for Raid difficulty they added with the last patch that makes raiding completely trivial. And I hate to break it to him but it isn't just hardcore raiding guilds that require an application. 85%+ of guilds that do any sort of endgame, PvP or PvE, will require a person to apply to their guild. And really I've NEVER seen "scammers" who "steal gear" in any raids and anyone who did that sort of thing would get blacklisted from pretty much any raider's raid or application process to a guild on top of the fact that they would most likely get banned by the GMs and have the gear awarded to the person who should have received it.
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Now there are a few things that could help someone else not come to the same conclusion as this person, no matter how flawed his views might be. Just a couple of suggestions that I personally can think of
1. Add a few more admins. It isn't as important as it was during the Yogscast rush but a few more admins couldn't hurt. As it is now during the week, there are maybe 2 admins on at any given time other than the peak hours for each respective area of the world, US/Europe/Australia/etc. Plus this would lead to more admins to answer questions, because even as good as it is that the builders are answering questions and concerns it looks better coming from a red name.
2. I know this is beating a dead horse, but emphasize reading the forums more. I personally tell everyone who has a question that is answered on the forums where they can find their answer instead of telling them the answer directly. It comes to that old adage, If you give a man a fish you feed him for a day but if you teach a man to fish you feed him for a lifetime.
3. This again goes to the forums thing, but it seems like there is an unnecessary amount of fragmentation among the announcement threads in places like submissions. I understand that some of the the announcements are there for specific issues that keep coming up, but it leads to having to read 3 different threads to get all the rules. Maybe instead of all the stickies split up, there can just be a general ENTER BOARD HERE guidelines thread in each of the major subforums that have all the rules and updates in one place.

TL;DR: This person may bring up some slightly valid points but I disagree with most of them. A very large majority of his complaints either stem from not reading the forums (shocker) or having unrealistic expectations of our smaller admin team. Even then, there is a few things we could change that would go a long way.

#11 Xykro

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 06:52 PM

Wait. This guy was banned weeks before the wave even started!

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 07:11 PM

Hmm. I think you guys are taking this way too seriously. No need to get angry over it. Just enjoy playing minecraft your way. That's why it was made... to have FUN.

But the guy making WoW references... Really...? That game sucks. :D

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 07:12 PM

I think this... http://www.brohoof.c...php?f=19&t=2746 ...might have been the guy I was thinking of. I reread the the whole thing and didn't see where he threatened the server, so maybe it was someone else, but it does still seem to have the same wording and mannerisms as this guy. Oh well. Either way, the guy who wrote that was most likely just mad because he failed his submission.


It was most likely this guy judging from the WoW references and accusations of elitism.



Hmm. I think you guys are taking this way too seriously. No need to get angry over it. Just enjoy playing minecraft your way. That's why it was made... to have FUN.

But the guy making WoW references... Really...? That game sucks. :D


This sort of thing needs to be addressed. We don't want to be known for having an elitist attitude, so we take the way we're looked upon seriously.

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 07:32 PM

Maybe he just didnt like the fact we have standards?

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 07:40 PM

Maybe he just didnt like the fact we have standards?


^^^^I'm gonna go with this statement here.^^^^

Some people are too used to getting everything they want, and when they find someone who has standards they can't match, they rage.

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 08:47 PM

Thid guy is too used to the concept of babysitting. He just wanted the server to be something HE wanted, and he expected us to just let him fly by and do what he wants?? Dispicable on how people think in these situations.

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 08:50 PM

the conce?
Care to reitirate

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 12:55 AM

What, does he expect everything to go according to plan?
You have to do what has to be done, even if that means putting your foot down in a few places.
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Posted 08 December 2011 - 04:19 AM



I spent a week with the brohoof server, and that week wasn't exactly a favorable one.

The people who run and manage brohoof are MLP Elitists and Zealots of the highest caliber, you won't find bronys anywhere like these folks.


The people who run this server do what they do to promote a high quality showcase server.

The only thing I can think of to compare to the brohoof server is an Elitist Hardcore World of Warcraft guild. Like an elitist guild, they have an application process, a demonstration/competition phase, and a trust phase before they even acknowledge you as a fellow brohoof.


The submission is a simple task, build a ponyville house. It's not that hard. I didn't have to fight anyone to the death to get build rank. And I acknowledge people early on. USMC is my bro and I approached him when he was still only a cmc.

The application they run consists of an Introduction & Submission. Basically to rule out any undesirables who are unwilling to follow strict guidelines and rules.


For obvious quality control reasons. And it's not like you get banned if you fail.

After passing, you are promoted to builder. Now you have to prove to what extent your abilities of a builder are. This involves numerous town structures, kissing ass to the admins, and making sure you ask the permission of the admins for anything you do while on the server.


Once your a builder you can pretty much do whatever you want to do (within the rules as is with any server).

If you can manage the above for a few months, they add you to the brohoof Elite builders group (the ones that build the key landmarks from the actual show) and if you continue to follow their strict guidelines and rules, then you are a fully brain-washed brony, worthy of manipulation from Ratty and his cohorts.


You get put into Elite Builders as soon as you pass. Also, Broken had only been here for like a week when he built the new library. Iffie got builder about a week ago and he's building the race track from the new episode.

I speak with exaggeration, but the attitude remains the same. At no point did I feel I was welcomed, (my intro post had no replies) the admins never acknowledged my stay or even about who I was. They just do not care. They show no respect to new members, they demand respect from you, and they have this mentality that you are "privilaged" to even be able to play on their server.

It is apalling to me, that a server, built around a show based on friendship would treat others in such a demeaning fashion. This was why I quit WoW, to avoid people like these.


The admins are cool. I have to admit when I first started using mumble I was wary of joining channels that had admins in them but now I'm just like whatev's. They're nice, they welcome you, and they'll talk to anyone. Also, playing on this server IS a privilage. Ratty didn't have to do anything for any of us. But he made this great server for us all to share and the only thing he asks in return is that members be mature and follow the rules of the server. Seems like a pretty reasonable request to me.



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Posted 08 December 2011 - 04:35 AM

I would love to post his appeal thread in the thread he made. But we must have tact.

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 04:55 AM

I already found out who it was, and he actually wrote a long apology to me, it was pretty cool. So, for the record, that particular person was able to see reason once someone takes the time to have a rational conversation with them.

I still do want to work on making us not be such assholes, it may be justified, but its hard to tell sometimes who deserves the flames and who doesn't. If we demand that builders take critisim from us, why can't we take criticism too? As long as its respectful and somewhat intelligent, I don't mind hearing it. If its the same old thing over and over again, that's different.

In the end, I only have room for so many people, so I have to choose who to make happy, and I'm choosing people that have an attitude of self improvement. Those that think any critisim is an insult, or feel self-entitled to have a walmart greeter say hi to them as they enter the server, won't like us very much, and I'm ok with that.

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Posted 08 December 2011 - 10:35 AM

No offence, but that was the first impression I got when I joined the server( It felt so very elitist). I went onto ponycraft or whatever you call it, and I realised, it just sucked, it seemed so very messy. I decided to stay on this server, even though it was strict and there was a lot of discipline.

EDIT: I guess, it's because of the discipline that I actually have a good time on this server, so that I don't have other ponies ruining my time.

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 10:41 AM

Hmm... I guess it's time for me to put in my two bits. Honestly, we do seem to have some elitism, but it feels like the kind that comes from pride in what you've done. Kind of like with a war reenactment. You don't want the Nazi that kills you on D Day to be wearing a Bud Lite T-shirt. He should, at the very least, be wearing Jägermeister.

The rules really aren't that strict. It boils down to behave as though you're in a public place, don't break things you don't own, and leave a note for the landlord when you move in.

The submission process is just like any basic art class. Teacher asks you to paint a bowl of fruit, you generally don't go turning it into a space battle. That's for the advanced courses.

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 04:46 PM

I'm putting in my completly unbiased opinion of the server, so here you go: I was on the server for three days, and my whole time I was on it I had the feeling of elitism the whole time. It was like it was medival times, where our king was comepletly unjust to the villagers, who were scared of him, and wanted to overthrow the king, but never could because of the fear of what he might do... Dunno how I can explain it better, but I hope I got my point across there, now, about the actualy server...

During the (short) time on the server, I never felt welcomed. I felt like I was a worker. I only met two nice admins, the rest were just jerks looking for reason to go out of whack. They struck me as very immature and rude, and really seemed to like bending the truth in their favor. I only kept returning the favor with politeness and maturity. I've been working hard in freebuild for the past 12 hours, alone, only to be banned for BEING attacked by two players, and under grounds that are normally not against the rules. (I mean I reported them with info and a picture). Needless to say, the issue was mostly ignored. I've also noticed the server bans permanently for the stupidest, most insignificant reason, and the staff doesn't listen to players, they just laugh at them and call them idiots when they try to appeal. Hence, I will not try to appeal. I'm not going to give you jerks that opportunity.

Now, my unbiased opinion about Ponycraft: I've been on it for seven months, and I remember the first time joining. I immediatly felt welcomed, and I was greeted by very friendly players, who allowed me to pick a character to roleplay as, giving me a list of taken characters. I ultimatley picked Applebloom. Since that day, I've come to make friends with every staff and player on the server. I'm even trusted to use the admin commands, even though I'm not an admin myself. And, so far, every admin and mod is very polite, I've not yet seen one that's cursed or yelled at a player, not unlike the majority of the staff here do. They regularily enjoy helping players build their own creations. When an issue comes up, they always like to get both sides of a story before taking action, and they almost NEVER permanently ban, unless it's the obvious extreme. Plus, 95+ of appeals are accepted as long as the player is polite and apologises. The server is very lenient, and all players know eachother well, despite it's popularity. I'm sure they could even put up with some of the admins' shitty attitudes, we actually LOVE AND TOLERATE here, not start a rage war.

There. Trying to write unbiased work is difficult as hell. And I could barely hold back my urge to curse, or use alternate profanity. I just hope you can understand now, and hopefully you can change. I DO have an alternate account, but I'm not going to join on it. Because I don't want to re-live the experice of dealing with you again.

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 05:50 PM

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You probably never felt welcomed because you blatantly copied a submission and got on many peoples bad side because of it. Not to mention the attitude you seemed to have anytime you talked in chat. You couldn't follow directions for your submission, when Sanc and broken told you how to help someone with their submission house, or when we told you to behave yourself.

If you couldn't follow some very simple directions like those, you would never have found a niche in our server. Banning you was best for everyone.

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 06:12 PM

Don't take this as an insult, but it's your attitude most people can't stand. I type with perfect grammar, spelling, and punctuation in the game chat, so don't you dare try to bend the truth and make things that aren't there. If you misinterperet something, ask before you make yourself look like an idiot infron of thirty plus people. Alot of people said they never felt welcomed here, not just me, so once again, a flaw in your logic. And if someone politely disagrees with you, dont throw a huge tantrum. Actually TRY to see the reasoning behind their argument, though I doubt this is a skill the staff here can learn.

"Best for everyone".
That's cute. Too bad none of my creations will be continued. I really had some big plans for you guys, including a noteblock musical of the final boss from sonic 3, two or three pixel arts, and alot of remakes from Fallout. So, it's GOOD that you don't want epic creations built? A helpful, friendly person? Cute. Real cute. I bet banning made you feel so powerful, so good inside, didn't it? My advice? Stop trying. You're emberassing yourself. Get off the game for awhile, go interact with real people. It can only change your shitty attitude for the better, because NO ONE in real life is as rude as you.

Plus, I'm just getting sick of dealing with you.

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 06:18 PM

You don't deal with admins, they deal with you.

#28 imnotparanoid

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 06:20 PM

:c

#29 Jutsy

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 06:33 PM

Don't take this as an insult, but it's your attitude most people can't stand. I type with perfect grammar, spelling, and punctuation in the game chat, so don't you dare try to bend the truth and make things that aren't there. If you misinterperet something, ask before you make yourself look like an idiot infron of thirty plus people. Alot of people said they never felt welcomed here, not just me, so once again, a flaw in your logic. And if someone politely disagrees with you, dont throw a huge tantrum. Actually TRY to see the reasoning behind their argument, though I doubt this is a skill the staff here can learn.


Just so we're clear, you don't type with perfect grammar, spelling and punctuation. Neither do I, but I thought I would let you know.

If many people were having a problem with the way you came off in chat, that is your problem, not theirs. There are plenty of ways to convey yourself without coming off the way you did. Please source the "alot of people" as well. I also don't remember going into a huge tantrum.


"Best for everyone".
That's cute. Too bad none of my creations will be continued. I really had some big plans for you guys, including a noteblock musical of the final boss from sonic 3, two or three pixel arts, and alot of remakes from Fallout. So, it's GOOD that you don't want epic creations built? A helpful, friendly person? Cute. Real cute. I bet banning made you feel so powerful, so good inside, didn't it? My advice? Stop trying. You're emberassing yourself. Get off the game for awhile, go interact with real people. It can only change your shitty attitude for the better, because NO ONE in real life is as rude as you.

Plus, I'm just getting sick of dealing with you.


Good thing freebuild isn't our showcase world then, eh?

And since the last part of your paragraph could be easily summed up as "get a life", I'm guessing you have no real arguments left.

Cheers.

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 07:11 PM

Oh my gosh. Once again, you bend the truth in your favor. AND make claims without evidence. When I said "Sick of dealing with you" I didn't know I was running a daycare here. And I don't type with good grammar? Yeah, sorry, but I do. You just can't understand big words.

I want to thank Ratty, he didn't really get on my bad side. He was an okay guy! He didn't flip out like Jutsy did, and I'm impressed with him being so mature.
Sanct was also a great guy, he loved my creation, and even helped me move it, as well as being an all-round great guy. He's so polite, too. So thanks!
Jutsy, though, to put it simply, you're a prick. I won't go into detail, because I could write a novel on all your flaws if I really wanted to.
Misc staff, you were okay. You could have been better at times, but you were fine.
All players were great and friendly. I can't possibly list them all. Thanks for your concern about me.

That being said, I'm going back tp PonyCraft. It may have flaws, but it has far few less or worse ones than this one has. I can't stand being attacked for voicing my own opinion, it reminds me of WWII. If you want that one final surge of energy you get from clicking that ban button, go ahead, it'll just prove further the kind of person you are. I also expect a smart-ass comment as you do it, but meh, I could be wrong. You're not THAT predictable, are you?

#31 Jutsy

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 07:17 PM

You said perfect, not good grammar. And we try not to ban forum accounts.

Bye, again.

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 07:19 PM

Oh my gosh. Once again, you bend the truth in your favor. AND make claims without evidence. When I said "Sick of dealing with you" I didn't know I was running a daycare here. And I don't type with good grammar? Yeah, sorry, but I do. You just can't understand big words.

I want to thank Ratty, he didn't really get on my bad side. He was an okay guy! He didn't flip out like Jutsy did, and I'm impressed with him being so mature.
Sanct was also a great guy, he loved my creation, and even helped me move it, as well as being an all-round great guy. He's so polite, too. So thanks!
Jutsy, though, to put it simply, you're a prick. I won't go into detail, because I could write a novel on all your flaws if I really wanted to.
Misc staff, you were okay. You could have been better at times, but you were fine.
All players were great and friendly. I can't possibly list them all. Thanks for your concern about me.

That being said, I'm going back tp PonyCraft. It may have flaws, but it has far few less or worse ones than this one has. I can't stand being attacked for voicing my own opinion, it reminds me of WWII. If you want that one final surge of energy you get from clicking that ban button, go ahead, it'll just prove further the kind of person you are. I also expect a smart-ass comment as you do it, but meh, I could be wrong. You're not THAT predictable, are you?


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Posted 09 December 2011 - 08:08 PM

I kinda feel sorry for him, hopefully they can stand him over there.

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 08:47 PM

And if someone politely disagrees with you, dont throw a huge tantrum. Actually TRY to see the reasoning behind their argument, though I doubt this is a skill the staff here can learn.

You seem to be preaching a lot about things you need practice with. You adamantly refused to see what was wrong with the 'advice' you had been giving, even when the reason was practically shoved down your throat. Sure, they weren't all that polite about it, but just because someone isn't nice doesn't mean they don't have a point.

"Best for everyone".
That's cute. Too bad none of my creations will be continued. I really had some big plans for you guys, including a noteblock musical of the final boss from sonic 3, two or three pixel arts, and alot of remakes from Fallout. So, it's GOOD that you don't want epic creations built?

The fact that you think those are the types of creations we'd be clamoring to have shows how little you cared for what the server is actually about. We want epic things, but we want them to feel like they belong to this world. Music's all fine and dandy, but I don't see what makes it "epic". Pixel art is, frankly, a dime a dozen. Sure, there are some amazing pieces out there, but it's really just a picture. And yes, there is a Fallout map, but it's based on the fanfic, not the games. Did you take that into consideration while you were building your Vault? Just based on how you talk about it, I can tell you did not.

In case my response is too wordy, here's the cliff notes: Even Jackasses have a point sometimes, and just because you build a Boeing doesn't mean you can build a barn.

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 09:37 PM

I'd like to say that my experience when I joined was great! The people were friendly and kind, and they seemed genuinely concerned with whether I was going to pass my submission or not. At first, as some of you may remember, I built a very unaverage house, but many people stepped in and explained what I was doing wrong. For that, I am grateful. After getting help, I built an average Ponyville house. Once submitted, the admins told me it was good, but it wasn't perfect and gave me the chance to correct it before resubmitting. After that I passed and have been enjoying the server since. I think the problem most people have is that they expect to be coddled and taken care of like they are three years old. They want ever single detail explained to them, and they want to be handed ranks for no reason. They want to come into the server and have everyone know everything about them and treat them like a king. But that's not how it works. There are rules. Call it elitism if you want, but I call it order and peace.

#36 Bullpockey

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 11:24 PM

Wow, didn't want think this would weed someone out.
There is no down time is there?

#37 Bunker Squirrel

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 11:35 PM

I agree with few points in what he said.
Running a thriving community, especially with the new flood of what I'd like to call "fillies," is a pn extremely demanding job. To expect that's to keep the server running and to cater to every individual is a daunting and almost impossible task. The current system, although its needs quite a bit of individualized TLC, is quite efficient in dealing with all the new and incoming Bronies.
If anything, this system should be made an example of.
With that, I have a couple of ideas about rooting out the eliete, forcing them to prove themselves, but that I'll keep to myself until a later date.

#38 maxaminus

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 11:46 PM

just because you build a Boeing doesn't mean you can build a barn



^ This. I know a Boeing Satellite Systems quality assurance manager and I can claim with 100% confidence that she knows nothing about barn building.

#39 Jutsy

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Posted 09 December 2011 - 11:48 PM

I agree with few points in what he said.
Running a thriving community, especially with the new flood of what I'd like to call "fillies," is a pn extremely demanding job. To expect that's to keep the server running and to cater to every individual is a daunting and almost impossible task. The current system, although its needs quite a bit of individualized TLC, is quite efficient in dealing with all the new and incoming Bronies.
If anything, this system should be made an example of.
With that, I have a couple of ideas about rooting out the eliete, forcing them to prove themselves, but that I'll keep to myself until a later date.


Do share.

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 04:52 AM

The admins here don't seem very friendly or welcoming, I feel like I'm on thin ice all the time. They probably aren't, but it just feels that way. I know you guys put up with a lot of bullshit every day.

If your answer to the above sentence is "Don't like it? Then leave.", server administration/moderation might not be for you.

I've know a few mods and admins over the years that were very laid back, and never used their position to win or hold an edge in an argument. In fact, one wouldn't even think them to be a moderator until someone did something inhumanly stupid and were dealt with quickly, silently, and efficiently. But the rest of the time they blended right in with the general players.... like ninjas!
They always used hider accounts, so you never knew it was them, they acted just like anyone else :)

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 05:09 AM

I'm all for the "don't like it, leave" answer for demanding and self-entitled people, but not people that are just trying to help make things better. It's just real easy to just throw everyone into that category and always respond that way, so I try to hesitate before answering.
We have a private admin forum that we use constantly, we discuss every single ban and demotion, provide evidence on each one, and reach consensus on the decisions. That's why when someone makes a ban appeal, you'll see other admins just paste what we already discussed.

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 05:19 AM

I hope I've never come across as entitled or demanding :)


well, ok, like the other day, I was being kinda stupid. You said that you hated being PM'd by anyone, and then I thought I would be a silly filly and say
"so if I want to propose to ratty, I should do it publicly?"

narrator then says something about that being a path I don't want to go down, I ask what path that is, I'm basically told to drop it.

my gosh... did I hit a sore nerve? :) I didn't mean anything by it! honest!

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 05:22 AM

The admins here don't seem very friendly or welcoming, I feel like I'm on thin ice all the time. They probably aren't, but it just feels that way. I know you guys put up with a lot of bullshit every day.

If your answer to the above sentence is "Don't like it? Then leave.", server administration/moderation might not be for you.

I've know a few mods and admins over the years that were very laid back, and never used their position to win or hold an edge in an argument. In fact, one wouldn't even think them to be a moderator until someone did something inhumanly stupid and were dealt with quickly, silently, and efficiently. But the rest of the time they blended right in with the general players.... like ninjas!
They always used hider accounts, so you never knew it was them, they acted just like anyone else :)


There is nothing wrong with the "if you don't like it then leave" mentality. The people in charge are just that, in charge. They make the rules, and if they make rules you don't like that's too bad. And if they run things badly and run it into the ground, that's their fault. The admins are there to enforce rules and stop griefers, not be your friends. They can be both if they want to, but they don't have to be. People need to learn that not everyone is going to be nice to you and put thing in the nice way all the time. If you're feelings get hurt so easily that when YOU screw up and get reprimanded for it and it makes you sad/angry, that's on you, not the admins.

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 05:23 AM

I hope I've never come across as entitled or demanding :)

If thats true then you wouldn't deserve anyone telling you if you dont like something to leave. I'm not sure if anyone ever did that to you or if you are just speaking hypothetically.
Though honestly, I only take suggestions on the forums, asking in game is always asking people that wouldn't be able to make the changes anyway. Everything is discussed heavily among the admins, so a lot of time its just a matter of re-explaining why we decided what we decided, and its unlikely anything would change unless new information is presented.


There is nothing wrong with the "if you don't like it then leave" mentality. The people in charge are just that, in charge. They make the rules, and if they make rules you don't like that's too bad. And if they run things badly and run it into the ground, that's their fault. The admins are there to enforce rules and stop griefers, not be your friends. They can be both if they want to, but they don't have to be. People need to learn that not everyone is going to be nice to you and put thing in the nice way all the time. If you're feelings get hurt so easily that when YOU screw up and get reprimanded for it and it makes you sad/angry, that's on you, not the admins.


Oh my gosh I hope we havent gone that far off the deep end! Just tell people to make any suggestions on the forums and we can discuss it there, in-game is not a good place since people are there to build, not debate things they probably can't change anyway. Now, if someone just whines about something, for example obviously we're not going to just let everyone freebuild everywhere, all they're doing is whining and if they don't drop it when asked to, they should be beat like a misbehaving child. It does suck that many spectators won't understand the situation and might think they are just making a suggestion, but so be it.

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 05:29 AM

There is nothing wrong with the "if you don't like it then leave" mentality. The people in charge are just that, in charge. They make the rules, and if they make rules you don't like that's too bad. And if they run things badly and run it into the ground, that's their fault. The admins are there to enforce rules and stop griefers, not be your friends. They can be both if they want to, but they don't have to be. People need to learn that not everyone is going to be nice to you and put thing in the nice way all the time. If you're feelings get hurt so easily that when YOU screw up and get reprimanded for it and it makes you sad/angry, that's on you, not the admins.


I've been on servers where they had admins with that attitude, and it was so overbearing that I DID leave, and now they're some server nobody gives a shit about with only the staff and a few kiss-asses playing it.

Don't worry, you guys here are waaay better than that :)


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