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#1 Ex_Astris

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 02:25 PM

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THEY'RE BACK!

Discuss the season premiere here.

#2 Hieros Godhead

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 02:33 PM

The stream goes onto bronystate in thirty minutes, can't wait :D

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 02:36 PM

thirty minutes till premier and counting. prepare to launch the friendship missiles!

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 02:38 PM

I have to go to work when it starts
Cry for me

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 02:49 PM

I'm missing the franking thing with 10 min to go!!!

Fukfukfufkfifkfuffukfufkfufkfufjfufkfu


I know that feel herpy ;_;

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 04:01 PM

It. was. AWESOME!

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 04:03 PM

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 04:04 PM

My favourite bit was the spooBUY FLOAMky scary bad guy

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 04:06 PM

I am pleased with it. It wasn't their best but that's a high bar to reach.

Interesting that King Sombra wasn't really much of a character, sorta just a background plot device.

The shadow magic was cool and I love Twilight's way of climbing stairs.

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 04:13 PM

I don't think the villain delivers in terms of the high standards set by the villains that came before him.

Nightmare Night: She tried to plunge the world into eternal night due to pure envy and hatred.


Discord: He tried to destroy the balance of the world and turn everything into chaos and anarchy in order to take revenge against Celestia and Luna.


Chrysalis: She tried to take over Canterlot in order for her army of Changelings to survive.


King Sombra: he changed the weather



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Posted 10 November 2012 - 04:15 PM

Thank god king sombra didn't have a major role. I hated his design!
This episode was pure epic! Hell yeah!

Edited by Aenvir77, 10 November 2012 - 04:15 PM.


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Posted 10 November 2012 - 04:26 PM

I am now puking crystal rainbows...

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 04:37 PM

Gakgakgakgak, Oh god help me.

That was pretty neat. I can't wait to see all the new head canons now that there is a new type of magic.

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 04:40 PM

Season 3 Spoiler

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 04:48 PM

Season 3 Spoiler

Keep discussion not related to the first two episodes in the other Season 3 thread please.

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 04:51 PM

there are CRYSTAL PONIES!!!!!

in all seriousness, a good opener but not in the same caliber as last season
King Sombra - he was like a placeholder villain with no actual personality other than "he's Evil"

nice to see more of cadence and a good pony subculture, I also detect a new world being built when brohoof returns :D

Also that trollestia scene :D epicness, and the pinkie spy (should of been pinkie pyro >_> )

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 05:04 PM


GAK GAK GAK

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 05:13 PM

That was Aweosme!!! that episode was just Awesome!

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 05:16 PM

The GAK shall rule - seriously there was like 5 ads for that alone.....

american ads are shocking

still a respectable opening to S3

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 05:31 PM

Season 3 Spoiler

GAK GAK GAK

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Keep discussion not related to the first two episodes in the other Season 3 thread please.



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Posted 10 November 2012 - 06:15 PM

Edited the topic title to better match the topics from days of old. Hope ya don't mind.

It was a good episode (and I'm sure it was a beautiful one too, can't wait to watch it again in HD) but I felt it didn't really compare to any of the previous premiers/finales. It was frustratingly slow-paced, the stakes felt lower and King Sombra didn't any chance to be an awesome villain. Lovely songs though.

Welcome back, ponies.

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 06:17 PM

I loved the episode. I felt it was easily on par with the season 2 opener.

I also detect a new world being built when brohoof returns :D

Either that or we'll have to remake the world of Equestria to fit in the Crystal Empire. The walmart map is looking more canon so far.

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 06:18 PM

Either that or we'll have to remake the world of Equestria to fit in the Crystal Empire. The walmart map is looking more canon so far.

except how appleoosa is somehow in the south instead of the west
also, artic Norths are usually in the north

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 06:26 PM

Has anyone spotted a full-length upload of the episode on youtube or elsewhere yet?

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 06:27 PM



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Posted 10 November 2012 - 06:29 PM

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 06:42 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpCcAXyWTH8


Cheers!

Also, it's funny how I've already seen half the episode due to spoilers. :P

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 06:48 PM

I was like "NOOOOOOO" when Shining Armor's horn was infected. I was then like "OH CRAP!" when cadence's magic faded.
BUt then when Cadence was the cyrstal princess I was like : "OMG I WAS NOT EXPECTING THIS."
So yea, awesome premiere!

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 07:09 PM

I loved the episode. I felt it was easily on par with the season 2 opener.

Either that or we'll have to remake the world of Equestria to fit in the Crystal Empire. The walmart map is looking more canon so far.

If you say "we'll have to remake the whole map" does that mean we can have the other towns too? Like Vanhoover, Neighagra Falls, Hollow Shades, Macintoch Hills, Horseshoe bay... and the others. These towns and places may not be cannon but they probably will be. Looking at the cannon map they must have gone trough Galloping Gorge to get to the Crystal Empire/Crystal Mountains. It's not mentioned in the 1st ans 2nd episode but according to the map it must be.
I'm just curious. I'd like to build in more places. Hollow Shades kinda looks interesting to me. But it will probably be mentioned in season 3 (not a spoiler just my toughts)

Edited by hxfthxft, 10 November 2012 - 07:12 PM.


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Posted 10 November 2012 - 07:25 PM

That was very enjoyable. I am very excited to watch the next episodes of Season 3. :D

If you say "we'll have to remake the whole map" does that mean we can have the other towns too? Like Vanhoover, Neighagra Falls, Hollow Shades, Macintoch Hills, Horseshoe bay... and the others. These towns and places may not be cannon but they probably will be. Looking at the cannon map they must have gone trough Galloping Gorge to get to the Crystal Empire/Crystal Mountains. It's not mentioned in the 1st ans 2nd episode but according to the map it must be.
I'm just curious. I'd like to build in more places. Hollow Shades kinda looks interesting to me. But it will probably be mentioned in season 3 (not a spoiler just my toughts)


or we could just add a section to the map past the snowcapped mountains

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 07:35 PM

really enjoyed that, songs weren't great in my opinion but they weren't bad either.

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 07:43 PM

Love it! There are no words to describe how awesome this was!

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 07:54 PM

This has to be relevant to something to come later in another episode
No way to show that if it would not link into something else.
IDEAS????

The book luna poofs up and Celestia looks at it and nods

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 07:57 PM

Yes, it's ancient Zebra necromancy book

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 07:58 PM

If you say "we'll have to remake the whole map" does that mean we can have the other towns too? Like Vanhoover, Neighagra Falls, Hollow Shades, Macintoch Hills, Horseshoe bay... and the others. These towns and places may not be cannon but they probably will be. Looking at the cannon map they must have gone trough Galloping Gorge to get to the Crystal Empire/Crystal Mountains. It's not mentioned in the 1st ans 2nd episode but according to the map it must be.
I'm just curious. I'd like to build in more places. Hollow Shades kinda looks interesting to me. But it will probably be mentioned in season 3 (not a spoiler just my toughts)


I would assume the map will be expanded and things put into place and World Edited into there more cannon areas if the map is 100% confirmed in the show

Yes, it's ancient Zebra necromancy book


Looking at the cover it has stars.... and that is Trixies logo/ cutie mark soo I personally think it has to do with trixie

or maybe something to do with Star swirl the bearded since there is supposed to be more history related episodes

Edited by AcidRain, 10 November 2012 - 07:59 PM.


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Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:08 PM

Looking at the cover it has stars.... and that is Trixies logo/ cutie mark soo I personally think it has to do with trixie

or maybe something to do with Star swirl the bearded since there is supposed to be more history related episodes


Your sounds more logical but mine sounds cooler

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:26 PM

This has to be relevant to something to come later in another episode
No way to show that if it would not link into something else.
IDEAS????

The book luna poofs up and Celestia looks at it and nods

I think it has something to do with the movie they are planning to make.
Or Twilight maybe one day replacing Celestia as the leader.
And it might has something to do with Star Swirl the bearded. (Maybe he's Twilight grandfather)

I could think of lots of things but i'll wait for the episodes to tell us :D

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 09:12 PM

Oh my god. Imagine this. In fallout equestria, there is the black book thingy which gives people dark magic. Now, imagine it's the same one, and have your mind blown.

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 09:17 PM

I finally watched it! You guys are high! That tops season 2's opener hands down holy bucking crap. The songs were amazing! I gotta hand it to the hub that was brilliant. So many plot twists and unexpected things! Wow just wow.... Twilight I knew you were awesome but I had no idea you were that awesome. The best part was the song at the end. So many feels!!! You guys really need to loosen the critic belt.

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 09:19 PM

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that is exactly what i was thinking

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 09:19 PM

Oh my god. Imagine this. In fallout equestria, there is the black book thingy which gives people dark magic. Now, imagine it's the same one, and have your mind blown.


OMG imagine they make an actual game out of it! And i don't mean mods or stuff like that. Equestria, ponies, and cannon places! That would be awesome! And a multiplayer version!

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 09:33 PM

Guys...

I know this seems a little off topic but..

It's "canon" not "cannon"

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 09:44 PM

OH GAWD STOPPIT! ep1 hasnt even been put on youtube for me!!! please just STOOOOOOP!!!!!!!!

Edited by iluvponies35, 10 November 2012 - 09:46 PM.


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Posted 10 November 2012 - 09:48 PM

I know that a great majority of bronies loved it. but people will hate...

I just want to ask, would a "bad" episode make you not be a brony anymore?

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 09:50 PM

OH GAWD STOPPIT! ep1 hasnt even been put on youtube for me!!! please just STOOOOOOP!!!!!!!!


Well this is thread is marked "spoilers"

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 09:51 PM

Guys...

I know this seems a little off topic but..

It's "canon" not "cannon"

So many typos xD

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 09:51 PM

OH GAWD STOPPIT! ep1 hasnt even been put on youtube for me!!! please just STOOOOOOP!!!!!!!!

Get off this thread or look at the previous page, genius.

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 09:56 PM

Back on topic... I think this episode set up the season perfectly. I can't wait to see moar!

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 12:30 AM

A very weak start to the season i think, poorly designed villain that barely had any screen time or lines. To me it all seemed either rushed or stretched, and it didn't have its usual bucket load of references that we had in S1 and S2.

I also can't help but feel that they hyped this up a bit too much and revealed more than they should have, Episode 1 was practically given to us on a plate before S3 even started what with all the sneak previews(especially that 8 minute sneak peak).

Don't get me wrong it still had its fun moments(especially pinkie in a fluttershy suit, and fluttershy's reaction) and the animation quality was top notch, but this is weak compared to S2's opening.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 01:10 AM

I finally watched it! You guys are high! That tops season 2's opener hands down holy bucking crap. The songs were amazing! I gotta hand it to the hub that was brilliant. So many plot twists and unexpected things! Wow just wow.... Twilight I knew you were awesome but I had no idea you were that awesome. The best part was the song at the end. So many feels!!! You guys really need to loosen the critic belt.


There was literally not a single plot twist anywhere in that opener, anywhere.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 01:22 AM

Did not watch. not sure if the live stream was HQ or not. I am guessing not, so I can wait till there is either a HQ video upload or download. I rather watch it with nice quality. Got Dexter in the meantime.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 01:26 AM

Did not watch. not sure if the live stream was HQ or not. I am guessing not, so I can wait till there is either a HQ video upload or download. I rather watch it with nice quality. Got Dexter in the meantime.


youtube link on 2nd page for 720p

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 01:39 AM

youtube link on 2nd page for 720p

aye. thanks.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 02:06 AM

Well, I suppose the entirety of the problem was the sheer time they expected us to wait for S3 to actualy come out. The songs were nice, and the actual plot was intriguing enough, but after six months of waiting, there really was nothing that could top those expectations, it was pretty much doomed from the beginning.

That said, I personally loved it. The fact that king sombra was more of an idea than a marked villain shows that they can allow the watcher to make their own inferences about him base on his looks and we all pretty much come to the same conclusions, and twilight and the rest were amazing. (Rarity seemed a bit exaggerated, but what can you do).

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 02:12 AM

Well, I suppose the entirety of the problem was the sheer time they expected us to wait for S3 to actualy come out. The songs were nice, and the actual plot was intriguing enough, but after six months of waiting, there really was nothing that could top those expectations, it was pretty much doomed from the beginning.

That said, I personally loved it. The fact that king sombra was more of an idea than a marked villain shows that they can allow the watcher to make their own inferences about him base on his looks and we all pretty much come to the same conclusions, and twilight and the rest were amazing. (Rarity seemed a bit exaggerated, but what can you do).


They always exaggerate the Mane 6's personalities in the opener, for example this:
http://www.youtube.c...8ZAC4MteU#t=38s

Edited by Jasplosion, 11 November 2012 - 02:12 AM.


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Posted 11 November 2012 - 03:09 AM

But Berry Punch was there?!

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 03:27 AM

There was literally not a single plot twist anywhere in that opener, anywhere.

You can't tell me you saw spike coming. That was out of nowhere
As I forecasted in a thread... Overhype leads to disappointment course nopony believes a prophet until they see proof.

Edited by Golfmann14, 11 November 2012 - 03:28 AM.


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Posted 11 November 2012 - 03:31 AM

Anyone else feel that this episode put...a strange amount of focus on Spike? Not too little as to make him unimportant, but not too much as to make him important to the actual storyline. Making him a hero, and as the main focus of the stain glass window in Canterlot, along with that scene about his greatest fear? Where Twilight didn't want and/or need him anymore. But kind of toned his scenes down?

Are...are they going to use this in future episodes, or something?

Edited by waj9876, 11 November 2012 - 03:33 AM.


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Posted 11 November 2012 - 03:32 AM

Anyone else feel that this episode put...a strange amount of focus on Spike? Making him a hero, and as the main focus of the stain glass window in Canterlot, along with that scene about his greatest fear? Where Twilight didn't want/ and or need him anymore. But kind of toned his scenes down?

Are...are they going to use this in future episodes, or something?

I thought it was nice that they focused on the twike relationship. We really didn't get a lot of that in other seasons

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 03:36 AM

Yeah, I agree. And I'm glad they did, it's just...the amount of focus they actually put on Spike was strange. I edited my post before I refreshed and saw your post, and I spoke about how it was "Not too little as to make him unimportant, but not too much as to make him important to the actual storyline."

I wasn't complaining or anything, just pointing out that, well, like I've said, the amount they focused on Spike is genuinely strange.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 03:52 AM

I am becoming more and more amused about how critical we are. Not the good kind either. We just say "this sucked" and whine bitch and moan about it. Focus on what they DID do for once! The growing negativity of this fandom makes me sick. I realize that you are entitled to your opinion but would it kill some of us to not think so pessimistically? At least we HAVE a season 3.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 03:58 AM

I am becoming more and more amused about how critical we are. Not the good kind either. We just say "this sucked" and whine bitch and moan about it. Focus on what they DID do for once! The growing negativity of this fandom makes me sick. I realize that you are entitled to your opinion but would it kill some of us to not think so pessimistically? At least we HAVE a season 3.


Hey, hey. The season 3 premier was awesome. I'm sure most of us also think that way.

It's just that people are going to talk about how they hate something more than the people who liked it.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 04:47 AM

It. Was. Holy.
It had action!
I Wub Action!

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 05:28 AM

What I mostly liked is that spike was recognized as something more important ^.^

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 06:32 AM

Hey, hey. The season 3 premier was awesome. I'm sure most of us also think that way.

It's just that people are going to talk about how they hate something more than the people who liked it.

Aw you made my day dude! That's true. I would also like to reiterate that I have nothing against anybody's opinion. I just get tired of the complaints. Nothing against you personally.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 06:50 AM

So, anyone think the king's scattered pieces will have any effect on where they land?

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 06:53 AM

So, anyone think the king's scattered pieces will have any effect on where they land?

probably. When he explodes, his horn is still in tact. If I remember correctly, he regenerated his horn once. I'm guessing this means he can regenerate his body as well. Then again, it might take a while.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 07:21 AM

probably. When he explodes, his horn is still in tact. If I remember correctly, he regenerated his horn once. I'm guessing this means he can regenerate his body as well. Then again, it might take a while.

Can you do that? Can you really explode twice???

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 08:27 AM

probably. When he explodes, his horn is still in tact. If I remember correctly, he regenerated his horn once. I'm guessing this means he can regenerate his body as well. Then again, it might take a while.


To be fair, he regenerated his horn because the rest of his body was still existent. Unless the base of his regenerative shadow powers lie in the horn, he probably isn't coming back.

Unless, of course, it's used as an important plot twist. I really don't want to think that they would create an entirely new villain and make him as flat as a board.

It is in my most sincere wishes that we get to see him back in the s3 finale maybe.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 09:03 AM

I can't help but add to the voices of those disappointed by the plot. In some parts it was like a 20 minute show had been stretched to 40 minutes, while in others it was like an 40 minute show had been crammed into 20 minutes. There were times it was very bland and boring and times it was overbearing and confusing.

I find it ridiculous that Celestia claims to know next to nothing about the Crystal Empire yet is able to produce a holographic map, recall the villain's name, show that she and her sister saved the empire, and then some. Speaking of the villain, how can one really call him a villain? His name is revealed extremely early on, and then there is like nothing else to him. Throughout the show he's just a scary smoke monster that goes "muahahahahaha hurrrrr cryyystalllzzz durrrr" and nothing more.

On a good note, I did like the general idea behind the Crystal Heart, where at first it was just a decoration but then turned out to be the key to defending the empire. However, I think that the revelation of there being a special artifact could have been a bit more pivotal. Also, going though 90% of the episode thinking that Twilight had to be THE ONE to handle the crystal heart, only to have her casually hand it over to Spike to take care of it, was kinda weird. I kept waiting for there to be some unforeseen negative consequence to letting Spike instead of herself take it to Cadence, but that consequence didn't come. Yeah, perhaps they did that specifically to drive home the idea of the moral at the end (sometimes making a last minute change to your duties for the sake of others over yourself is a good thing), but that didn't make it feel any less weird.

To be honest, I think that they should have taken this plot and really fleshed it out to make the first full-length MLP:FIM movie.

But I guess hindsight is always 20/20 . . .

Edited by Plainstrotter, 11 November 2012 - 09:04 AM.


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Posted 11 November 2012 - 09:52 AM

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 09:55 AM

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 10:52 AM

My favorite parts are: Shining throws cadence and twilight switching gravity!

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 01:13 PM

But it was all.. well most about... STAIRS


No wait it was great :D

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 02:12 PM

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 02:34 PM

Oh yeah, Twilight's reaction to the library was adorable.

Here's my preferred explanation of Sombra's limited vocabulary: [link]

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 02:39 PM

Sombra: GAAH RAAH ROAAR GAAAH!!

Twilight: Dude... what?

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 04:55 PM

I'm probably the only one but I didn't like the songs none of them, just found them boring I guess. Also I lost my respect for twilight. Ok you can throw at me that she can teleport and she is protege in magic( Hence the cutie mark)I can also believe she can use Dark magic. But now she can bend GRAVITY, the hell they were smoking when they thought this was a good idea? She could have just teleported up the stairs part by part.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 04:58 PM

It kinda made the whole part of the episode better IMO

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 06:02 PM

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I'm pretty sure my favorite part was when Shining Armor just kind of.... threw Cadance. Mostly because I hadn't really been paying attention up to that point so I was just like,
"WHAT THE FUCK."

and then I realized he didn't just throw her for no apparent reason and I felt better.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 06:08 PM

Did Shining Armor throwing Cadance remind anyone else of The Incredibles?

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 06:13 PM

Did Shining Armor throwing Cadance remind anyone else of The Incredibles?

N0pe. I did remind me of this:
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 07:53 PM

Did Shining Armor throwing Cadance remind anyone else of The Incredibles?

No, but it did make me laugh like a 2 year old on drugs.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 08:08 PM

No, but it did make me laugh like a 2 year old on drugs.


Indeed.

It just.... it just looked so SILLY.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 08:19 PM

I liked it overall, but Sombra's design and role sucked on so many levels just don't even get me started. |D

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 08:57 PM

Heh, it just hit me . . .



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Posted 11 November 2012 - 09:15 PM

I don't think sombra was ever designed to be a deeply involved villain. it was mostly concentrated on the mane 6. You tend to lose language skills and patience towards enemies after thousands of years....

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 09:27 PM

I think the episode focused on Spike and Twi.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 09:37 PM

I find it ridiculous that Celestia claims to know next to nothing about the Crystal Empire yet is able to produce a holographic map, recall the villain's name, show that she and her sister saved the empire, and then some.

She did know things (She was alive before it disappeared after all) she actually just told Twilight that she wouldnt know anything as none of her books mentioned it

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 02:41 AM

She did know things (She was alive before it disappeared after all) she actually just told Twilight that she wouldnt know anything as none of her books mentioned it

If I was a conspiracy nut, I'd say that was evidence that Celestia censors history. It's one thing to tell people your sister went mad and had to be banished, but to completely eliminate any record of an entire kingdom...

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 03:45 AM

My fave part is when twily switches gravity!

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 04:48 AM

It was a good episode, but after the season 2 opener and finale, it was a pretty big let-down. I wasn't nearly as impressed.


So anyways, anypony want a flugal horn?

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 06:48 AM

I thought it was pretty great! (Then again I have been pony deprived for 6 months) However I do agree on the physical character design of King Somber, I think they could have made him seem a lot more evil without freaking out kids...but m'eh. on another note, did you guys see that door?! That was some scary shit...
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Posted 13 November 2012 - 06:56 AM

It was good, what can I say? Spike actually was the hero for once instead of being Twilight's shadow or pet.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 07:02 AM

King Sombra is an OC gone wrong.

I would also like to point out that sombra means shadow in Spanish.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 11:18 AM

Am I the only one here that actually likes Sombra? I mean, unlike all the other MLP Antagonists, hes a threatening, looming presence that creates an atmosphere of urgency and fear,

He may not be the focal point of the story, but he isn't a pretentiously over-the-top, cheesy villain like some of the others. He was actually a pure dark villain, I mean think about it. You have this character that is not so much of a physical antagonist, as he is a mental embodiment of a mental antagonist.

For example, his dark magic and the doorway that Twilight opens revealing her worst fears, failure and rejection. Spike's fears of being disowned.
He is a character that lurks in the shadows , casting the shadow of fear and doubt in others minds.

I honestly do not know where I am properly going with this, due to my slight sleep deprivation. But yeah, in my opinion. Sombra is a pretty good villain. Again, my opinion. Not fact.

Also, he planned ahead, if you remembered. He planned for the future basically. He knew he was going to be overthrown, so he did some shit. Get imprisoned for a thousand years in arctic ice (Which probably took a massive toll on his sanity) and was still able to mess things up for them when he wasn't doing it directly. He works from the shadows. Directing.

Better go rest now. *yawn*

(also don't kill me for supporting zee king that has a stairs fetish)

Also, I wish they didn't rush as much so we could see the backstory of the illusive King Sombra. I mean, it would be great, getting his origin and all. We got Discord's, Nightmare Moon's, a bit of Chrysalis, but not so much. And barely anything on Sombra. He had alot of potential. Buuut. It's gonna leave us asking questions... I wonder if Sombra will return though.

Edited by Doc Scratch, 13 November 2012 - 11:23 AM.


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Posted 13 November 2012 - 11:36 AM

Heres a take from a King Sombra Soundtrack on youtube. It's in the description.

He's a looming evil shadow watching over you spreading fear to your heart. On a side note, he is actually the first villain that wasn't cocky.

If Discord did something like this he would probably be sitting on a couch waiting for the shield to weaken. Sombra waited while he used his spells and magic to keep Twilight away from the Crystal Heart. Discord and Chrysalis were over the top and charisma villains while Sombra was intimidation and actually Pure Evil.

PLEASE watch the episode one more time and look at Sombra again and this time think of him as another villain line, not in the same line Discord and Chrysalis fall under. I guess by hiding the Crystal Heart in the place where every crystal pony feared to roam the most, put that in a cursed door, on top of a cursed staircase, followed by another trap, he is still more evil than most say. I see him like a Moby-Dick: Everypony talks about him, but we really don't see his true form until the end. The more I look at this guy, the more I start to like him. . .

-CarbonMaestro (From Shadow Unto Crystal (King Sombra's theme))

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 11:57 AM

I wholeheartedly agree, Scratch. I liken him towards Sauron from LOTR.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 02:04 PM

The scariest part about Sombra, though?

The fact that he was a unicorn. This sets him apart from the other villains we've had so far. He wasn't a fallen alicorn corrupted by jealousy, he wasn't a spirit of chaos and disharmony, he wasn't a cockroach queen... He was a unicorn. A normal unicorn, like Twilight, Shining Armour or Rarity. He was born as an innocent, small filly just like them, growing up in either the Empire or Equestria amidst his fellow ponies.

Then something happened with him, or something changed him, that made him decide to become a total monster, both in terms of power and personality. A mere unicorn brought an entire Empire to its knees and enslaved his fellow ponies, and became powerful enough to manipulate blizzards and shadows, to corrupt an entire Empire with his mere presence, to curse an entire Empire and make it vanish for a thousand years, to mindfuck an entire populace, to regenerate body parts after they're cut off, and to create traps strong enough to hold the Element of Magic herself. Remember, people, this is a normal unicorn.

It could have been any other unicorn. It could be Twilight, if she isn't careful. She already had to use dark magic to solve Sombra's riddles. Maybe it started out innocently with Sombra like that, too: to simply use dark magic for good. What's stopping Twilight of becoming just like him? That is the scariest part about Sombra: he's what Twilight, what any pony could end up becoming, if they aren't careful.

Just a thought though. Anyways, i'm off to bed for real.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 10:54 PM

The scariest part about Sombra, though?

The fact that he was a unicorn. This sets him apart from the other villains we've had so far. He wasn't a fallen alicorn corrupted by jealousy, he wasn't a spirit of chaos and disharmony, he wasn't a cockroach queen... He was a unicorn. A normal unicorn, like Twilight, Shining Armour or Rarity. He was born as an innocent, small filly just like them, growing up in either the Empire or Equestria amidst his fellow ponies.

Then something happened with him, or something changed him, that made him decide to become a total monster, both in terms of power and personality. A mere unicorn brought an entire Empire to its knees and enslaved his fellow ponies, and became powerful enough to manipulate blizzards and shadows, to corrupt an entire Empire with his mere presence, to curse an entire Empire and make it vanish for a thousand years, to mindfuck an entire populace, to regenerate body parts after they're cut off, and to create traps strong enough to hold the Element of Magic herself. Remember, people, this is a normal unicorn.

It could have been any other unicorn. It could be Twilight, if she isn't careful. She already had to use dark magic to solve Sombra's riddles. Maybe it started out innocently with Sombra like that, too: to simply use dark magic for good. What's stopping Twilight of becoming just like him? That is the scariest part about Sombra: he's what Twilight, what any pony could end up becoming, if they aren't careful.

Just a thought though. Anyways, i'm off to bed for real.

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