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#1 Pinkiepie55

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:58 PM

       Right-o, a some days have passed, I've waited patiently, talked to some people, and decided I should do this. First of all, I know that making a new forum account would supposedly not bring me anywhere, as they're usually banned for a reason. However, I felt that what I'm going to write next is necessary or at least useful.
       I got banned for a simple, straight-forward reason, "digging for forbidden parts of the website, among other things". That's what it says when I try to join the server. I'll slice it and analyze each part.
       First comes the "digging for forbidden parts of the website". It's because of a thread I posted, where I found mainly brohoof.com/images. The other links I found were either redirects that everyone knows about, or PASSWORD PROTECTED things which I left alone, didn't mention, because I didn't want to see those(THESE could be considered forbidden). I want to mention that a link with logs (not gonna mention it here, maybe there's a way to only notify the admins so they can protect it or I don't know) was not password protected, and I didn't explore it. I just went on with my curiosity. The most attractive thing I've seen is "brohoof.com/images", which is now gone. It contained nothing compromising at all, it was just some images. Did they contain secret things that no one should see? Were some .gifs, two screenshots of the old server, a funny picture about bad submissions, and ratty's avatar anything that could be compromising? I doubt that. They were just random pictures, and the renders from the thread that Ratty made. I don't see anything that could be considered bannable there
       Also, where did it say forbidden? Where on the server or rules did it say that anything "brohoof.com/[stuff]" is forbidden? The only things which could be considered that are schematics and chatlogs, which are password protected, and which I've refrained from attempting to access. I don't show any interests in them, and didn't want to risk by mentioning them.
       That's what I think about the digging stuff part. Now comes the "other things" part. Well, I can't really talk about these, since I don't know them. The chance of me getting unbanned is 0.01% or something like that, but I want to at least know the other things. If something on my profile was inappropriate, someone could have just said the smallest thing about it, even on the server (Anything ranging from "That profile is inappropriate; you should remove some of the stuff" to "lol its funny but a lil inapropriate isnt it dangeros?"). However, despite many people visited my profile, no one ever told me about it. Just like that book of mine, who wasn't really noticed, until admins.
       Long story short, I don't exactly think my findings while "digging up" were anything that can be considered forbidden, and the "other things" aren't clear. The purpose of this post is to find the "other things", and clear some things up.


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:53 PM

You clearly don't get it yet. You really don't understand what exactly you did.

 

Let me spell it out for you; what you did was basically the equivalent of rummaging through our bedroom and finding a photograph of us having fun or something and telling all your friends about finding it. Yes, the photo itself isn't something that bad, but the sheer fact that you were nosing around in places we [the admins] don't make public knowledge of, is the crime you committed. 



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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:34 PM

     Yes, you are right. I didn't understand this was bad. I always happen to write random things in the URL bar, and usually I encounter interesting things. Sometime during summer, I found a ton of websites that were, well, pointless, and had a good time, so I've got this habit of doing this now and then, and finding interesting stuff.

     Because I wasn't really social, I usually only shared it with myself and some very close friends. But in autumn 2012, I started playing more on brohoof, found Shenanigans and all that. Since then, I think this is the only community in which I've actually taken part in, in a way or another (haven't build too much large things to be honest, although I started some lately). I started posting more things, I tried blending in, and actually succeeded. In other communities I didn't really manage to do that, and eventually left; the proof that I didn't blend was the reaction of the people when I left ("Who's that guy, I don't care")

 

     These two things combined resulted in, well, this... incident. Unlike the other communities and server, this time a hand of people actually were worried about me more or less. Now, I know that not realizing that what I do is wrong isn't an excuse, so I'll try not to use it. When I do things, I usually think what would someone with tolerance about twice as small as mine do. In this case, I just expected that the worst thing that could happen would be a warn, maybe a server ban in a really bad case (well, this didn't have something to do with the server though), and thought that even that wouldn't really happen unless someone found something else on the thread about the links, and it would have been my fault. Right now I know exactly what I did wrong, which is sharing this information with anyone else other than myself, also searching for it in the first place. I should have just left it there and do something else, but the pictures were so uncompromising that I couldn't really stop myself from telling the others. I don't expect to be unbanned, as I haven't raised too much strong arguments in this reply, but I'm still happy that I tried to talk about this, as it couldn't get any worse than what it is like right now

     If this is my last post on the forums, I want to say sorry for mainly what I did now, also for making a new forum account. I never meant to do anything bad, especially after the first ban. This thread was mainly to find out what the other things were, but now that I realize how severe my rummaging was, I understand if your decision isn't what I hope it to be.


Edited by Pinkiepie55, 25 January 2013 - 03:34 PM.


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:51 AM

Aww, dude, hope you are Unbanned.



#5 Jutsy

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:58 AM

Cinderflakes, your forum account has been suspended for 3 days for posting in another users appeal.

 

 

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#6 Pinkiepie55

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 06:37 PM

Uh, is the appeal discussed? It most probably is, but it's been a week and there was no reply, apart from the user posting in my appeal, and I don't think that happened before in bans on brohoof.
 
I'm not trying to seem impatient, but the appeal's been keeping me nervous for a while, and I hope it comes to a conclusion soon, or at least a reply. I hope that this post does not negatively affect the decision...


#7 Jutsy

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 07:51 PM

We attempted to send you an email about it to the address listed under your account. You should check there.

 

 

The short of it is that your appeal has been rejected. Please do not continue to post elsewhere on our forum while you are banned. Thank you.



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Posted 02 February 2013 - 09:32 PM

We attempted to send you an email about it to the address listed under your account. You should check there.

 

 

The short of it is that your appeal has been rejected. Please do not continue to post elsewhere on our forum while you are banned. Thank you.

I fully understand your decision. This server was amazing, the community was wonderful, and the occasional hilarious moments were the reason this won't be easily forgotten. Goodbye Brohoof, and thanks for the great time; thanks for the friends I made, for the things I found out, and for the time that I spent here. Without everyone here, I wouldn't have been the same right now...

 

However, one last question, were the posts I made in this appeal considered in any way anywhere?



#9 Jutsy

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 09:49 PM

Marginally. There really is no excusing your actions regardless of the reason.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 12:55 PM

Right, I thought about the email you sent me, and I still have stuff to say.
 
Even though you clearly said that the appeal is rejected, I have things left to mention and that's what I'm going to do.
 
First of all, in the email, you also said that I happened to troll sometimes. We might have different definitions of the word (very likely, the word lost any stable meaning). The worst thing I did close to trolling was when I kept saying "inb4 welcome", but I stopped doing that because I realized that I wouldn't like someone to greet me like that, and it was boring and repetitive. So, when did I really troll?
 
Now, even if you hadn't mentioned trolling, there's still the other stuff. It's really weird and confusing. I talked to a ton of people through steam and other ways, and they are as confused (maybe not nearly as frustrated though) as me. Here's a quote from someone:
 
"The previous ban was okay but this one is like who the hell cares."
 
Now, others' opinions don't really matter here. However, every ban reason I've seen was recognized by others as bad. Griefing, spamming, these are obviously bad, and even if the one who was banned was very good friends with everyone, they'd figure out that the ban was deserved. But not in this case. Everyone I've talked to considers it harsh, and doesn't think I did anything wrong. They might say that as friends, but they probably know that it's better if they tell me what's true. I think they'd consider making a new forum account worse than this brohoof.com/images incident.
 
You also mentioned that it's like "rummaging through our bedroom and finding a photograph of us having fun or something and telling all your friends about finding it". Well, I think that it's not like that, and here's why. Firstly, brohoof.com/images had no sorts of protection or reason to be forbidden. And we're on the internet, you can't leave something unprotected and say that it's forbidden. These two don't work out together at all. If something on the internet isn't meant to be seen, then it should be password protected. Let's all remove passwords from everything, and see who won't take a peek and tell others about the fun stuff. Some might even abuse stuff, and what I did here would be nothing compared to their actions. The initial reason of the internet was, and still is sharing, more or less directly. When we post stuff on the forums, we share stuff. When we play games, we share our actions in the games. When we put something on the internet and make it public, it means that it's meant to be accessible to anybody. What I did is not like taking private stuff at all. It could maybe be compared to taking a small branch of a tree I don't own and playing with friends with it. Or taking a nickel someone dropped without knowing, in the worst case. I think that the description given would apply if I bruteforced into a password-protected place, or did something stupid like that.
 
Brohoof has many rules (that's not a bad thing). People get banned for breaking the rules. Going to brohoof.com/images and considering the stuff funny then telling was not breaking (written) rules. Unwritten rules maybe, common sense? I've yet to see someone whose common sense says "Don't go to the unprotected place and tell people because it's forbidden"
 
Okay, I'm gonna say this straight-forward, I do want to be unbanned (that's the sole reason for which I made the thread though), but it's probably not gonna happen. This reply will just get my thread locked, most likely, but what do I have to lose? I just think that this should be discussed a little more than marginally.


#11 Jutsy

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 04:16 PM

It was discussed quite a bit. Your excuses for why you did what you did were taken marginally though. If you can't understand why what you did was bad enough to earn you this, then we especially do not want you here. 

 

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