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#1 derpy32

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 07:37 PM

I see that the player limit seems to be 40 now instead of 30. Is this going to stay like this, or is it just temporary?

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 07:39 PM

Wrong place. Post in support next time :P and I'm not sure I haven't noticed :D

#3 derpy32

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 07:41 PM

Wrong place. Post in support next time :P and I'm not sure I haven't noticed :D


This actually should not belong in support, as it is by no means a problem.

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 07:45 PM

Most questions should go in support. We are testing out a 40 player limit.

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 08:19 PM

I have to admit that it does bother me thinking all the annoying idiot kids that kept making new topics about it think this is the result of them asking. We talk about the player limit frequently in the admin forum, this idea sparked because a lot of the admins are going to be on break from school and will have more time.

I'm just seeing how it goes first on my bandwidth costs, if it doesn't cost me much more, and if the admins tell me the extra load of greymanes is bearable, I'll leave it at 40.

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 08:58 PM

That's pretty Cool ratty! Brohoof to you sir! /)

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 01:20 AM

So far the European admins are telling me that its getting hard to take. I'm waiting for primetime in the US to happen, and see what the consensus is with the admins on if their nerves can handle the additional truckload of "LOL DIDN'T READ" kids.
And right now I see 40 players on and no admins, I may have done it too early if a lot of admins are still in school or whatever.


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Posted 25 May 2012 - 01:50 AM

I have a suggestion. In order to do ANYTHING at all, even in order to chat and move outside of spawn, you must first take a quiz about the server's rules and things. You take the quiz, and you somehow confirm that you passed it by PMing an admin (the only thing you would be able to do) and THEN they add you and you become whitemane and can chat and freebuild etc. That should filter out most of those idiots. I was thinking you post in a forum where you can only see your own posts and post the answers, and then the admin checks them and adds you. Another option is that the quiz generates a code which is confirmed with the admin somehow. What do you think?

Edited by derpy32, 25 May 2012 - 01:50 AM.


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Posted 25 May 2012 - 02:15 AM

That sounds messy.

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 02:50 AM

But there is a problem. If you have to Pm an admin or somehow contact him, that would mean that the admins would have to stay in the server 24/7, to approve people instead of checking intros whenever they have the time.

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 03:31 AM

But there is a problem. If you have to Pm an admin or somehow contact him, that would mean that the admins would have to stay in the server 24/7, to approve people instead of checking intros whenever they have the time.


Don't we have admins in all different countries? So thus, there would be one on most of the time.

How about something automated that just auto promotes them if they pass?

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 03:33 AM

Well but it's impossible for the admins even if they are all over the world, to be on 24/7, and about the automatic i know nothing about

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 04:41 AM

It would have to be automated, otherwise its not an improvement on the rather manual setup we have now. It is possible to integrate the forums with minecraft, but I didn't want thousands of unused accounts in the system. Then a griefer just has to register on the forums, and there's no flow control on that, where if we have an admin have to approve someone, we can make sure they don't just immediately grief.

I could see an improvement where if we had some extra layer of protection, where people start out as less than grey names, where they can't even use chat. They would have to take a quiz before being promoted to greymane. That would stop "LOL DIDN'T READ! HOW DO I BILD!?!~!@". It would still technically be grey, but it should put duct tape over their mouths until they prove to have an IQ of at least 50.

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 04:44 AM

Sometimes I feel sorry for the admins..
Dealing with kids..
Looking for grief..
Helping more than one pony..
please don't ban me for this...


I'm sorry ratty

Edited by misaki, 25 May 2012 - 05:23 AM.


#15 Ratty

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 04:48 AM

I don't get it. Though I'm not sure I want to, btw this is exactly why I usually don't discuss planning in the public, all I get is stupid shit like the above.


#16 The Storm117

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 11:50 AM

I've seen similar trouble on other servers that I have been on, where people need to apply in order to use things such as events and building etc. One idea that has been passed around is that people who don't apply after a certain amount of time are barred until they do so, a demo of the server in a way.

#17 tudexd

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 02:10 PM

Maybe greymanes can't leave the spawn area until the have registered, but that would mean people who are just visiting can't go around. Maybe for those who are just visiting the admins could tp him/her to a certain builder who is willing to given them a tour and than if they decide to stay just tp him back to the spawn until he registered and do all that stuff.

Hmm now that think about it this sounds hard and time consuming. But its just another idea.

EDIT: Yeah looking back this isn't really a good idea

Edited by tudexd, 25 May 2012 - 09:31 PM.


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Posted 25 May 2012 - 02:24 PM

A smart idea would be as Ratty said, barring fresh off the bus people from the regular chat, eliminatiing the: "Didn't read, what do I do?"

It would also mean that there might have to be a new system in place to filter out the obvious problem players, but barring them from viewing the world is kind of dumb. I know I'm only a member, not a builder so my word carries very little, but I think that now is a bit too early in thinking to test out the 40 player limit. Maybe after some careful discussion and well thought out plans it could be tested, but the newbie joiners are becoming an earful with their questions.

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 12:14 AM

Well it seems like the 40 player limit has been changed back. :/

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 01:05 AM

Yes, it was just very hard on the admins having a constant flood of the same questions from people who refuse to try to read the website.
I am working on making some kind of quiz that people have to pass before it even lets them chat, I haven't tested it out, but in theory it can work. We might turn some people off, but its either that or "HOW DO I BILD??" until the admins all just quit.


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Posted 26 May 2012 - 08:07 AM

Or you could set up staff applications, and a donate bar, so you would have more money to pay for the server and the player limit. Because I fell like the 30 player limit is a little restricting with a server that has a community as big as this.

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 08:53 AM

First off, Ratty doesnt take donations. Secondly, admins are chosen by Ratty and not applied for. Lastly, we have the 30 player limit for a reason. The 40 player limit was just temporary to see if the admins could handle the higher player count on a regular basis.

for more information, have a look around at the other topics with a similar label. that will give a much more thorough explanation of why we are what we are and why it works.

Edited by adwrynn, 26 May 2012 - 08:59 AM.


#23 The Storm117

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 08:53 AM

Or you could set up staff applications, and a donate bar, so you would have more money to pay for the server and the player limit. Because I fell like the 30 player limit is a little restricting with a server that has a community as big as this.


1: The admins are chosen, they do not apply as far as I or anyone else is aware.

2: The owner of the server does not take donations.

3: The server is capped because too many players can be bit overwhelming. The only time it is raised is during an event. And all this could have been learned by reading the FAQ =P

Edited by The Storm117, 26 May 2012 - 08:57 AM.


#24 bob360

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 10:02 AM

Ratty I think one of the questions that you should put down,which they always ask are:

How do you get yellow wool?
What is the command to the steps to build? -buildrights-
What is a whitmane/cc/red/green?
How do I tp to people?
Is there any admin online? ( they should know about the /who command or tab button by now.)

Just some ideas, because I have seen tons of people ask these questions, so maybe add it to the quiz if you think it's suitable.

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#25 magnariffic1

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 05:04 PM

I am on a server where the first time you start you do an auto mated quiz and then you get warped to the world it's empire mine craft check it out

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 05:23 AM

To the people telling me I should let the player count be really huge: If someone thinks they know better than me how to do this, they are welcome to start another server, and as long as nothing is blatently copied from us, I'll even list your server on my "other servers list" to help promote it. I deliberately don't want a large player count so we're not this giant thing where nobody knows each other, so please just stop.

I should probably go look at other servers to see how they do it, but I'm too lazy, I'll just think of it and do it my own way. I thought of a kind of obvious way just using world permissions.
So far in my testing, it's working. New people spawn in the quiz world, and have no permissions at all, and they can't escape unless they reach a portal. I can do the classic "quiz" method in minecraft where you have several paths with signs over each for the answers, and you have to pick the correct one to progress.
Now its just a matter of building it.


#27 Neon Streak

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 06:20 AM

Ratty not trying to be rude but couldn't the people taking the quiz just pick one and if its wrong go down another route and so on?

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 07:52 AM

Ratty not trying to be rude but couldn't the people taking the quiz just pick one and if its wrong go down another route and so on?


Even if they do, they theoretically learn the correct answer by doing so anyways.

#29 Ratty

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 07:57 AM

It would at least make the point that we hate being asked the same questions over and over so much that we made a whole world just to communicate that.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 08:57 AM

True good point or we could put in one way iron doors and they have to use warps to get back to the beggining.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 09:14 AM

If they get it wrong, they will be killed if we design it right. No god mode in that world. If they get it right by taking a random path, we'll still have a sign at the end saying what the right answer was to reinforce it.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 10:26 AM

We could also add zones so it will print the correct answer in their chat bar, since some people don't look at signs.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 10:45 AM

Weren't some builders working on a training course type deal some time ago? Or was that project abandoned?

Anyway, something I kinda always thought should be done: any player who says they didn't read the rules, asks too many questions, breaks the rules, etc. should be stripped of permissions and warped back to the training area, forced to go through the course again. It could be an alternate to suspensions, so people don't freak out thinking they're permabanned.

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 05:55 AM

The current spawn world is a training course, but it has proven to not be effective at filtering the really brain dead ones.

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 01:47 PM

also on my server it has a automatic thing that gives you tools for very correct awnsor replace tools for the starter kit and give the compas lats and put sign saying how do I get out


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Posted 28 May 2012 - 01:57 PM

also on my server it has a automatic thing that gives you tools for very correct awnsor replace tools for the starter kit and give the compas lats and put sign saying how do I get out


...Yeah. I don't think any of us got that. That's something else that should be implemented, that people at least know how to spell =/

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Posted 28 May 2012 - 05:01 PM

...Yeah. I don't think any of us got that. That's something else that should be implemented, that people at least know how to spell =/


I understood him fine.

I would much rather have a test for people who are shitty to others than a grammar test.
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Posted 28 May 2012 - 06:39 PM

Ah, my bad. Sorry.


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