Purple Tinker 8:03 PM
Hi?
Sketchy 8:03 PM
so ive noticed theres quite a contaversy going on
Purple Tinker 8:03 PM
Oh?
Sketchy 8:03 PM
i wanted to get your side of the story
Purple Tinker 8:05 PM
About what?
Sketchy 8:05 PM
the whole 4chan thread
Purple Tinker 8:07 PM
Uh.
8:07 PM
Well, are you asking me about CG or about EFNW?
8:07 PM
Or something else
8:07 PM
?
Sketchy 8:07 PM
well all of it
8:08 PM
i want to know why you have a grudge with these cons
Purple Tinker 8:08 PM
Did you read my dA journal?
Sketchy 8:09 PM
yeah, but i'm not sure i understand why you're linking 4chan to tis
8:09 PM
believe me, they coulld care less about the conventions
Purple Tinker 8:10 PM
Then why is it that every time I criticise CG, and specifically CG, a new hate thread appears against me?
8:10 PM
Who is making them?
Sketchy 8:10 PM
no one really cares about canterlot gardens
8:11 PM
from what i can see, its more of threads about your behavior
Purple Tinker 8:11 PM
That doesn't answer my question.
8:11 PM
There is a distinct pattern.
8:11 PM
If I don't post anything about CG for a month, there will be LITTLE OR NO activity about me on 4chan.
8:11 PM
The DAY I post something about CG, suddenly there's a new anti-Tinker thread.
8:11 PM
Now, I have my own theory on that. What's yours?
8:12 PM
By the way, I already know you're going to post this entire log, and probably screen caps as well, to 4chan. Go ahead.
Sketchy 8:12 PM
My theory is that 4chan enjoys watching drama, and seeing a journal posted by you gave a reason to talk about you
Purple Tinker 8:13 PM
But why defend CG against me in specific?
8:13 PM
There are tons of random trolls. But some of these guys seem actually seriously angry at me.
8:13 PM
Why?
8:14 PM
Purple Tinker has shared contact details with Sketchy.
Sketchy 8:14 PM
well i suppose some people feel that you're trying to harm Canterlot Gardens based on an old grudge with another person
8:15 PM
that would leave a lot of people screwed over
8:15 PM
but really, not a lot of people care about canterlot gardens
8:16 PM
its really your drama that everyones interested in
Purple Tinker 8:17 PM
I'm not buying it.
Sketchy 8:17 PM
why?
Purple Tinker 8:17 PM
Because my drama gets less interesting every month. It's always the same damned story.
8:17 PM
The more these posts go on, the more often people respond 'we don't fucking care'.
Sketchy 8:18 PM
Well I can honestly tell you your drama doesnt get less interesting
8:19 PM
you should know that 4chan feeds off of drama
Purple Tinker 8:19 PM
Sure, of course it does.
8:19 PM
But how often can you hear the same story over and over before it makes you want to retch?
Sketchy 8:20 PM
a lot actually
Purple Tinker 8:20 PM
You guys must be very bored.
Sketchy 8:20 PM
you could say that
9:41 PM
there is another thing I want to ask you about
9:45 PM
From what ive heard, you embezzled money from Bronycon?
9:45 PM
care to comment on that?
Purple Tinker 9:57 PM
Did you even bother reading my Rumour Control post?
9:58 PM
It was literally impossible for me to 'embezzle' anything.
9:58 PM
http://purpletinker.deviantart.com/journal/Rumour-control-292821513
9:58 PM
Read this, then we'll talk.
Sketchy 10:00 PM
even if it was still legal, it is immoral to use funds from donations and use them for yourself
10:01 PM
tthat money was meant to go to thecon
Purple Tinker 10:01 PM
I WAS the con.
Sketchy 10:01 PM
no your were a part of it, the con was all the attendees, the guests, etc
Purple Tinker 10:01 PM
I was compensated (not very much, relative to my day job) for my work on the con. So were the two other core staffers. There is absolutely zero immoral about that, let alone illegal.
Sketchy 10:01 PM
it wasnt just you
Purple Tinker 10:02 PM
I usually put 20-40 hours a week into the  con.
10:02 PM
My time is worth $100 an hour.
10:02 PM
I was making WAY less than that.
10:02 PM
(for my con work)
Sketchy 10:02 PM
$100 an hour?
10:02 PM
and where do you get that from?
Purple Tinker 10:02 PM
Yes, I ordinarily earn on the neighbourhood of $90-100K a year for long term jobs, $100+ an hour for short-term jobs.
10:02 PM
I am a programmer.
10:03 PM
My last salaried position was for $95,000 annually.
10:03 PM
I earned a tiny fraction of that for my work on BronyCon.
10:03 PM
Not immoral, not illegal.
10:03 PM
Not excessive either.
Sketchy 10:03 PM
how much total was there donated?
Purple Tinker 10:03 PM
Very little was "donated". Most of the money was from ticket sales.
10:03 PM
It wasn't a charity. It was a convention.
Sketchy 10:04 PM
apparent;y there are other convention organizers that disagree
Purple Tinker 10:04 PM
That disagree with WHAT?
Sketchy 10:05 PM
the morality of taking money out of the convention
Purple Tinker 10:05 PM
There was no 'convention'. It was ME.
10:05 PM
The con funds were in my bank account. When the con funds ran low, I had to sell shit of my own. Once I had to withdraw money from my retirement account.
10:05 PM
There was no separation between my money and the con's money.
10:05 PM
There was no separate bank account.
10:06 PM
Was it immoral for me to withdraw money from my retirement account, or sell my iPad or my MacBook Air, to fund the con?
Sketchy 10:07 PM
but you took money out of the con fund
Purple Tinker 10:07 PM
There WAS no 'con fund'.
10:07 PM
The con was run out of my pocket.
Sketchy 10:07 PM
you just said there was
Purple Tinker 10:07 PM
It was all together with my own funds; there was not a separation.
10:07 PM
Messy, but hardly illegal or immoral.
10:07 PM
I ran the con as a home business.
10:07 PM
Messily, but it worked.
Sketchy 10:09 PM
if i had to describe my own actions as "messy" it would probably be from the guilt of having just done something somewhat immoral
Purple Tinker 10:09 PM
There is nothing immoral about earning a small quantity of money for a large quantity of work.
10:09 PM
Even CHARITY WORKERS usually get paid.
10:09 PM
Those cashiers at charity shops? Lots of them get paid by the hour.
Sketchy 10:10 PM
what exactly was your work?
Purple Tinker 10:10 PM
What WASN'T my work? I did pretty much everything except move tables and dress chairs.
10:10 PM
I called VAs, I promoted the convention online, I answered questions, I issued refunds, I tallied attendance, I created spreadsheets.
10:11 PM
I signed contracts, I dealt with vendors, I dealt with artists.
10:11 PM
I spent 20-40 hours a week for months on each con.
10:11 PM
Only an imbecile would claim that I would be obligated to do all of that work for $0.
10:11 PM
Even charity workers get paid.
Sketchy 10:11 PM
a lot of people do work for $0
Purple Tinker 10:12 PM
I'm not obligated to be one of them.
10:12 PM
I was working for WAY under my pay rate.
Sketchy 10:12 PM
what would you say was the percentage of money you took out?
Purple Tinker 10:13 PM
I have no fucking clue. It's going to take me months to pull all this data apart for taxes. I'm filing late and will have to pay a fee.
10:13 PM
Out of my pocket.
10:13 PM
Again.
Sketchy 10:13 PM
you dont remember how much money went into bronycon, and you speant months working on it?
Purple Tinker 10:14 PM
I didn't take formal books. I do my taxes by sorting through bank account and Paypal records. Always have.
Sketchy 10:14 PM
so you have absolutely no idea
Purple Tinker 10:14 PM
That is correct.
Sketchy 10:14 PM
not even a guess?
Purple Tinker 10:15 PM
I could run some rough figures?
Sketchy 10:15 PM
go ahead
Purple Tinker 10:15 PM
Roughly 800 tickets.
10:15 PM
Some sold for $35, some $40... some $30, I think.
10:15 PM
Assume average of $35.
10:16 PM
That's $28,000. Plus around another $5,000 in sponsor seats.
10:16 PM
Plus around another 10000 in merch and auction sales.
10:16 PM
That's $43,000.
10:16 PM
Lop off around 1/3 for taxes (which I STILL OWE)
10:16 PM
You're down to $28,638.
10:17 PM
I paid $6K to Nanashi at Sean's demand. That's down to $22,638.
10:17 PM
I paid $2K plus another $500 for Uhaul reimbursement to Sean himself. Down to $20,138.
10:18 PM
I paid ... I think $4K for the venue and another .... let's see, around $100 per room night, times two room nites, times four rooms, so $800 for the rooms. Down to $15,338.
10:18 PM
The merch itself probably cost around 1/3 to 1/2 of what it sold for to BUY. Call it 40 percent... $4000. Down to $11,338.
10:19 PM
Plus the VAs' tickets, around $1,000 per VA. Down to $8K.
10:19 PM
And so on and so on.
10:20 PM
I'm sure I'm forgetting some things, but they'll come out in the wash. Perhaps around 10-20%.
10:20 PM
For instance, I didn't even factor in the VAs' speaking fees.
10:21 PM
In the end, I owe a shit-ton of taxes, which I will be paying out of my pocket for years.
Sketchy 10:22 PM
generally cons have more than one person organizing things for this exact reason
Purple Tinker 10:22 PM
That's not the point.
Sketchy 10:22 PM
why were you the only one?
Purple Tinker 10:22 PM
Because it was a new and small con.
10:23 PM
My point is, I did not make much, if at all, after taxes.
10:23 PM
And it was a lot more stressful work than my day job, which paid FAR better.
Sketchy 10:23 PM
then you should have made it clear that you were keeping some money for yourself before you started taking in money
Purple Tinker 10:24 PM
made it clear to who?
Sketchy 10:24 PM
to the people who were attending
Purple Tinker 10:24 PM
That's fucking ridiculous.
Sketchy 10:24 PM
no it isnt
Purple Tinker 10:24 PM
I've attended a lot of cons; I've never seen an announcement of how much each person makes.
10:24 PM
And this was all organised very informally.
Sketchy 10:25 PM
its either that they dont do what you did, or its in the fine print
Purple Tinker 10:25 PM
There WAS no 'fine print'. It was INFORMAL.
10:25 PM
I'm not a businessperson.
10:25 PM
I'm a geek.
10:25 PM
Again, I was under no obligation to work for free, let alone as much as I worked, and as stressful as it was.
10:25 PM
You're just trying to find some way to make me look like I made a vast fortune, which clearly I did not.
10:25 PM
There wasn't a vast fortune to be MADE.
10:26 PM
In the period of time between the previous con and the January con,  my SALARY was nearly $25,000.
Sketchy 10:26 PM
you could argue that you had no legal obligation, but i most would believe that you still had a moral obligation
Purple Tinker 10:26 PM
A moral obligation to work for free?
Sketchy 10:26 PM
yes
10:26 PM
lots of people do it
Purple Tinker 10:26 PM
Okay, this is where you've taken the short bus into crazytown.
10:26 PM
Do you have any SANE things to say?
Sketchy 10:27 PM
you should have had more than one person working on the con
Purple Tinker 10:27 PM
There was.
10:27 PM
And the other two 'core staffers' were paid.
Sketchy 10:27 PM
a more stable financial status
Purple Tinker 10:27 PM
I'm sure you could have done much better.
10:27 PM
You're, what, 14?
Sketchy 10:28 PM
19 actually
Purple Tinker 10:28 PM
Ah. A ripe old age.
10:28 PM
Point is, I didn't 'embezzle', and furthermore, the VERY PEOPLE who complained that I took money for my time were the SAME PEOPLE who demanded I pay THEM:
10:28 PM
Sean Levine and Nanashi Tanaka.
Sketchy 10:29 PM
oh?
Purple Tinker 10:29 PM
Sean demanded that I pay Nanashi $6,000, basically on the spot, which I did, and $2K + Uhaul reimbursement to himself, which I did a day or so later.
10:29 PM
And then they started spreading rumours about how evil I was to take money for my work.
Sketchy 10:30 PM
are one of these people working on Canterlot Gardens?
Purple Tinker 10:30 PM
BOTH are.
10:30 PM
Nanashi is their con org.
10:30 PM
He's also the guy who robbed me of $800 the night before NYCC.
10:30 PM
Sean is their 'investor'.
10:30 PM
And the one who brainwashed Nanashi to hate my guts, even though I was letting him live in my home rent-free because the poor fucker was homeless.
Sketchy 10:31 PM
brainwashed
Purple Tinker 10:31 PM
He spent months coddling Nanashi, treating him super nice,  convincing him what a horrible person I was.
10:32 PM
While Nanashi was still living in my home free.
10:32 PM
I bought much of his food (he had food stamps some/all of the time, I forget which). I bought him video games, toys, everything he needed.
Sketchy 10:33 PM
so this is the source of you grudge against Canterlot Gardens?
Purple Tinker 10:34 PM
Only a tiny fraction. The main reason is that they leaked all those documents and started those hate threads.
10:34 PM
and encouraged other people to mock me for being trans, simply because they knew it would hurt.
Sketchy 10:34 PM
first off
10:35 PM
i highly doubt they started those threads on 4chan
Purple Tinker 10:35 PM
There's plenty of proof in http://comments.deviantart.com/1/322223498/2705791348
10:36 PM
A lot of that information could literally have ONLY come from them, and one of the emails in the thread was a character Nanashi drew.
10:36 PM
It was Nanashi's email.
10:36 PM
He said 'email asamitora@yahoo.com'.
10:36 PM
That was Nanashi.
Sketchy 10:36 PM
and you know that he started the thread?
Purple Tinker 10:36 PM
I know that he FED it.
Sketchy 10:36 PM
or he just joined in
Purple Tinker 10:36 PM
He might have just joined in.
10:37 PM
Doesn't really matter.
10:37 PM
Either way, it's wrong.
10:37 PM
He participated in a hate thread, leaked documents, and encouraged people to mock my gender, my appearance, and the very fact that I'm trans at all.
Sketchy 10:37 PM
and remind me again why he hates you?
Purple Tinker 10:37 PM
Because I was grumpy.
10:37 PM
Bitchy.
10:38 PM
He felt like I was using him. I felt like he was taking advantage of me.
10:38 PM
I bought all his shit and he didn't pay a cent of rent.
10:38 PM
And in return I had him run errands.
10:38 PM
Which was how he had my PIN, which was how he robbed me that night before NYCC.
Sketchy 10:39 PM
but if i understand, youre tyring to , for lack of a better word, sabotage canterlot gradens?
Purple Tinker 10:39 PM
I'm not sure if 'sabotage' is the right word. That implies some sort of covert or hidden plan of attack.
10:39 PM
I'm trying to destroy them, but I don't think 'sabotage' is the right word.
10:40 PM
I'm trying to convince people not to go.
10:40 PM
And I'm trying to manipulate them to make moves which will harm them.
10:40 PM
But mostly the former.
10:40 PM
It's hard to manipulate something from the outside.
Sketchy 10:40 PM
that's quite deceptive
Purple Tinker 10:40 PM
How deceptive can it be when I talk about it publically all the fucking time?
10:41 PM
I BROADCAST what I'm doing.
Sketchy 10:42 PM
perhaps that wasnt the right word, but it again doesnt sound completely moral
10:42 PM
again
Purple Tinker 10:42 PM
Fighting bad people is moral.
10:42 PM
Trying to take down bad people is moral.
10:42 PM
These are very bad people.
10:42 PM
Nanashi's a thief, Sean is a slimy Hollywood type, Klisk lies through his teeth all the time, Winter Heart is an LGBT 'activist' who let people bash the shit out of me for being LGBT without batting an eye.
10:43 PM
And Perry, Perry's just stupid and incompetent. He's the only Ohioan of the group.
Sketchy 10:43 PM
what does being from ohio have to do with anything?
Purple Tinker 10:43 PM
The con is in Ohio.
10:43 PM
There was, and is, an  Ohio bronies group.
10:43 PM
None of them were in int.
10:43 PM
...in it.
10:44 PM
The Ohio group was working on setting up their own con, TrotCon.
10:44 PM
CG steamrollers in and fucks up their state, trying to take their volunteers and even trying to convince them to let them use their MASCOT.
10:44 PM
TrotCon would probably be dead were it not for my heavy promotion.
10:44 PM
and sending community guests their way.
10:44 PM
CG is ruthless.
Sketchy 10:46 PM
well, have they been confronted on your claims?
Purple Tinker 10:46 PM
I believe people have confronted them. They deny deny deny, of course.
10:46 PM
They have no counter-evidence.
Sketchy 10:46 PM
well at least one of you is lying
10:46 PM
or both
Purple Tinker 10:46 PM
Lying about WHAT?
Sketchy 10:47 PM
them, for lying about you wrongly embezzling funds, and that kind of stuff, or you,lying about the claims you just made againsts them
Purple Tinker 10:48 PM
I already proved to you that 'embezzlement' was literally impossible.
10:48 PM
The con was a home business; it was run out of my personal bank account. You cannot 'embezzle' or 'steal' from YOURSELF.
Sketchy 10:49 PM
if you say money is being used for something, and then use it for something else, even if its only a fraction, that is money laundering
Purple Tinker 10:49 PM
The money was being used to run the con. That includes all expenses. One expense is paying workers.
10:49 PM
Do you believe I was wrong to pay Sean and Nanashi?
10:49 PM
And that's not what 'money laundering' is.
10:50 PM
Money laundering is when you take money obtained from illegal deals like selling drugs, and circulate it back into the system in such a way that it seems 'clean;'.
Sketchy 10:50 PM
better word is embezzlement
Purple Tinker 10:50 PM
You cannot 'embezzle' from YOURSELF.
10:50 PM
I WAS the con. The con WAS me.
10:50 PM
There was no legal or financial separation.
Sketchy 10:50 PM
you dont seem to get it
Purple Tinker 10:50 PM
What exactly do I not get?
Sketchy 10:51 PM
that using funds for yourself, when its supposed to be used for something else, is morally, and possibly legally wrong
Purple Tinker 10:51 PM
It was supposed to be used for the con.
10:52 PM
PAYING WORKERS IS A LEGITIMATE EXPENSE FOR *ANY* ORGANISATION, FOR-PROFIT, NON-PROFIT, OR EVEN CHARITY.
10:52 PM
Do you believe I was in the wrong to pay Sean and Nanashi?
Sketchy 10:52 PM
perhaps
Purple Tinker 10:52 PM
So we ALL were obligated, in your grand view, to work for free?
10:52 PM
To donate our time, something not even most charity workers do?
Sketchy 10:53 PM
most charity workers i know do it for free
Purple Tinker 10:53 PM
Not all.
10:53 PM
A con isn't a charity.
10:53 PM
And even many charity workers ARE paid.
10:54 PM
Do you realise that CG is paying their workers?
Sketchy 10:54 PM
the money for bronycon in your care?
10:54 PM
you were entrusted to handle it?
Purple Tinker 10:54 PM
Yes, for all con expenses, including paying workers.
10:54 PM
The VAs got money to appear.
10:54 PM
Sean got money for his work.
10:54 PM
Nanashi got money for his.
10:54 PM
I got money for mine.
Sketchy 10:55 PM
and you used money from it for yourself, without congoers knowledge?
Purple Tinker 10:55 PM
I also gave money from it to Sean and Nanashi, without congoers' knowledge. AT SEAN'S DEMAND.
10:56 PM
I was under no obligation to provide an outline of the con's budget to anyone.
10:56 PM
It's between me and the IRS.
Sketchy 10:56 PM
actually you were
10:56 PM
im looking at my business law book right now
Purple Tinker 10:56 PM
This was not a business.
10:56 PM
It was something I ran out of my home.
10:56 PM
It was ME.
Sketchy 10:56 PM
legally it was
Purple Tinker 10:56 PM
Cite a law, please.
Sketchy 10:57 PM
using money that is not used for said intended buisness action, usually used for personal use
Purple Tinker 10:57 PM
Cite a law please.
Sketchy 10:58 PM
theres more than just one law, they appear in local, state and in some cases federal
Purple Tinker 10:58 PM
Cite ANY fucking law that says that I was obligated to give an outline of con finances to attendees.
10:58 PM
there's no such fucking thing; the very IDEA is ridiculous.
Sketchy 10:59 PM
i can say, that if someone wanted to sue you for embezzlement, they would have a strong case
Purple Tinker 10:59 PM
Hahahahh
10:59 PM
Yes, I 'embezzled' money from my left pocket and put it into my right pocket.
10:59 PM
This is where I get off. You're fucking insane.
10:59 PM
Goodbye.
Sketchy 10:59 PM
fine