
| Eco #549056 9 months ago |
So we have ratings here. After a series of chats with a certain concerned user, I felt it'd be interesting to open the floor and hear what the community thinks.
What constitutes Questionable? What constitutes Explicit? (Yes, I'm aware that there are official definitions in the rules. But those definitions are vague - meant to be an amalgum of community standards. I'm wondering what those standards are.) |
| HeinousActsZX #549063 9 months ago |
Explicit is pretty much porn, excessive gore, rape, Cupcakes.
Quesrionable is only the sorta offensive stuff. |
| Jiranis #549072 9 months ago |
What Heinous said.
Questionable is like artistic nudity/suggestive stuff/mild violence. |
| HeinousActsZX #549073 9 months ago |
Besides, I filter extensively, so I don't see what I don't want to. |
| Anonymous #549077 9 months ago |
Questionable: nudity porn, some gore (just blood and recoverable wounds), strongly suggestive imagery (Molestia drooling over a lingerie Twilight, for example.)
Explicit: intense gore (death especially), porn with fluids and/or genital closeups. |
| Anonymous #549086 9 months ago |
Does "suggestive stuff" include stuff that's just on the level of two ponies kissing?
Does it include stuff that looks like it's fetish art but isn't prima facie sensual/sexual? Stuff like morbidly obese anthros? |
| thatguy #549090 9 months ago |
Explicit: completely obvious, hardcore stuff
Questionable: stuff is implied, or softcore |
| Posey #549092 9 months ago |
What draws the line between questionable and explicit when it comes to gore?
I've seen drawings I don't consider explicit, though they're a bit bloody. |
| Anonymous #549102 9 months ago |
Questionable:
Gore unless it's really extreme, human buttocks, any "sexy" non-nude images of animals/ponies (including images obviously over-emphasizing the "plot") or anthro/furry Explicit: Breasts or genitals of any kind, porn, highly detailed entrails-ripped-out level gore |
| Nebbie #549115 9 months ago |
(I am 549077 anon btw)
@anon 549086: Fetishes generally considered disgusting would be under questionable in my opinion. The morbidly obese stuff would be then. And not kissing, but anything with a very strong implication of kinkiness and/or rape. |
| Nebbie #549132 9 months ago |
I think it might be a good idea to rely more on filtering than the questionable/explicit system. Only gore and outright sex are mostly agreed upon, and I can see some shitstorms coming if too much is said on anthro's placement. |
| Gezora #549148 9 months ago |
Maybe just go by the movie ratings system?
Anything that could be considered rated 'R' would be explicit, PG-13 would equal Questionable, everything else safe. Or something like that. I dunno. |
| Azarias #549156 9 months ago |
Questionable: Partial nudity (ex, on humanized pics having uncovered breasts), softcore porn. Character abuse fits in here too.
Explicit: Hardcore porn, heavy blood and gore. I never understood why in humanized pics a shirtless male is fine but a shirtless female is crossing the line. I try to tag like danbooru does when it comes to nudity. If the genitals are visible then it's explicit. If they are not (ex: naked girl has hands over crotch) then it is questionable. |
| Eco #549159 9 months ago |
Nebbie: I completely agree that if people have specific preferences, it's best if they use tag filtration to enact them rather than relying on the coarse standards of the rating system.
But... did you know? Apparently 45% of member accounts filter out non-Safe content entirely! So what falls into such a nebulous category actually matters a lot to what people see or don't see. |
| Edef #549168 9 months ago |
Gore as determined by North American media censorship standards would only fall under the line of questionable.
Safe: kissing, plot, creepy, grimdark, blood -- just because it evokes emotion or is uncommon doesn't mean it should be deprived from those that filter questionable. Questionable: gore, mild nudity, non-explicit sex Explicit: nudity, porn |
| Eco #549171 9 months ago |
(Since it probably needs to be said: this discussion is not aimed at any kind of immediate change in policy. I'm just gathering information.) |
| Anonymous #549193 9 months ago |
As long as we're talking about ratings, there's a technical aspect I'd like to see changed.
If I have explicit images blocked, and I come to one while using the Prev/Next links under Navigation, I'm simply redirected to the front page. If possible, I'd rather be moved to the next unblocked image in the sequence. Ideally it would work this way for filtered tags as well. |
| Nebbie #549203 9 months ago |
^^^^^The ratings are extremely inconsistent, PG-13 is too broad, and they often discriminate against homosexuality. I would rather not want that on ponibooru.
^^^By filter out, do you mean make it show the questionable/explicit thumbnail? Or actually not show up in results at all? I barely bothered with those account settings except to remove all the stuff restricting what I cold see in thumbnails. |
| Nebbie #549204 9 months ago |
^ add 1 to each ^ due to anoninja. |
| Eco #549232 9 months ago |
@549193: That can be arranged!
Nebbie: Yeah. 45% of registered users have their Content Preferences set so that only Safe and Unrated show up - Questionable and Explicit don't appear at all. I was surprised too. |
| Eco #549243 9 months ago |
Wait, scratch that. I was completely misreading my data!
Most folks actually have everything enabled, either with questionable and explicit hidden behind spoiler thumbnails, or with no spoiler thumbnails. |
| Hound #549289 9 months ago |
No matter which way you swing the pendulum, someone is always gonna find what you feel is safe is really questionable and that explicit picture is only questionable. People really just need to unfilter everything and manually filter out every type they don't want to see. You just can't fine tune to everyone's satisfaction with only 3 primary filters. It's like killing a cockroach with dynamite. |
| thatguy #549304 9 months ago |
Even filtering isn't very reliable. For it to work really well it has to be very extensive in the tag standardization, but Ponibooru only has a small handful of standard tags and everything else people can just tag with whatever. |
| teyman10 #550248 9 months ago |
i hide nothing,but filter anuthing involving poo,blood or abuse. or diapers. |
| Anonymous #552072 9 months ago |
Explicit should NOT include nudity inherently.
It's foolish to say that it should be explicit just because it's nude. If you're in a work environment you'd filter out questionable as well unless your job is really lax or you're an idiot. Questionable: blood (not excessive, include mild "gore"), nudity, implied sexy things (off camera or just implied by words in some cases, pending the picture, I'd say including nudity or blood but not showing any actual sexual activity) Explicit: Sex (penetration, fluids, oral, etc), gore (extreme gore) those are my suggestions. |
| Irony #732931 7 months ago |
It's not possible to have a policy that everyone will agree with. I'm inclined to say that mere nudity should not be explicit, others say it should. I think bloody or non-cartoonishly violent images should be explicit by default, others disagree. What I think everyone does agree on is that these are not "safe". IMO the difference between "questionable" and "explicit" really isn't all that important.
More importantly, I think you should add a policy that linked images in comments should not be of a higher rating than the main image. It's a good policy to have for when some troll starts posting random porn image comments in safe posts, as is happening now. |
| MudPuppy #1341414 2 months ago |
testing |
| Rainbowtron #1362139 2 months ago |
I think they should be based on the definitions of standard ratings established by the Motion Picture Association of America.
[url="http://mpaa.org/ratings/what-each-rating-means"]What Each Rating Means[/url] Questionable — A Questionable picture may go beyond the Safe rating in theme, violence, nudity, sensuality, language, adult activities or other elements, but does not reach the restricted Explicit category. The theme of the picture by itself will not result in a rating greater than Questionable, although depictions of activities related to a mature theme may result in a restricted rating for the picture. Any drug use will initially require at least a Questionable rating. Partial nudity will require at least a Questionable rating, but such nudity in a Questionable rated picture generally will not be sexually oriented. There may be depictions of violence in a Questionable image, but generally not both realistic and extreme violence. A picture’s single use of one of the harsher sexually-derived words, though only as an expletive, initially requires at least a Questionable rating. More than one such expletive requires an Explicit rating, as must even one of those words used in a sexual context.
Explicit — An Explicit picture may include adult themes, adult activity, hard language, intense or persistent violence, sexually-oriented nudity, drug abuse or other elements. |
| Rainbowtron #1362143 2 months ago |
I think they should be based on the definitions of standard ratings established by the Motion Picture Association of America.
Questionable — A Questionable picture may go beyond the Safe rating in theme, violence, nudity, sensuality, language, adult activities or other elements, but does not reach the restricted Explicit category. The theme of the picture by itself will not result in a rating greater than Questionable, although depictions of activities related to a mature theme may result in a restricted rating for the picture. Any drug use will initially require at least a Questionable rating. Partial nudity will require at least a Questionable rating, but such nudity in a Questionable rated picture generally will not be sexually oriented. There may be depictions of violence in a Questionable image, but generally not both realistic and extreme violence. A picture’s single use of one of the harsher sexually-derived words, though only as an expletive, initially requires at least a Questionable rating. More than one such expletive requires an Explicit rating, as must even one of those words used in a sexual context.
Explicit — An Explicit picture may include adult themes, adult activity, hard language, intense or persistent violence, sexually-oriented nudity, drug abuse or other elements. |