
| Anonymous #590409 9 months ago |
This is akin to welcoming back a Shell-Shocked Vietenam Veteran by pretending to be Viet Cong or something. |
| NonAnon #590452 9 months ago |
More like a welcome-back paintballing. |
| Tomaster #590461 9 months ago |
Pinkie Pie is worst pony after this episode.
srsly. |
| togashimenai #590468 9 months ago |
She also stole all of Twilight's candy. |
| YoyoTripleThree #590483 9 months ago |
^ I KNOW! That was awful! When I watched the teaser clip yesterday, I guessed that Pinkie was dumping all the candy out because it was stolen, and she didn't want Luna finding out.
Turns out I was half right. |
| RealityCheck #590500 9 months ago |
Let's face it, Pinkie isn't really tuned in to reality. To her, it was all just more Nightmare Night fun and silliness. |
| Jackarunda #590528 9 months ago |
Oh Pinkie you bitch you <3 |
| togashimenai #590654 9 months ago |
Half the mane cast were pretty much dicks.
Pinkie Pie emotionally abused an already traumatized pony for her own amusement (and stole lots of candy). Twilight physically and emotionally beat the living SHIT out of Fluttershy. Fluttershy, the element of kindness, didn't give two shits about somepony asking her for help. Manticore? No problem. Dragon? She'll manage. A goddess that she personally helped redeem already? FUCK NO! I mean, what the hell, ponies?! |
| Anonymous #590698 9 months ago |
It would be lovely if Pinkie were made to grow up just a bit, or at least face consequences for her actions instead of it just being brushed off as 'just being Pinkie Pie'. not only does it stunt her character development, she's just starting to come off as a total bitch now. |
| Verbose #590701 9 months ago |
@togashimenai
You forgot Rainbow Dash. Pinkie was about to ET-touch Luna in a truce, and then Dash snapped her back into Chicken Pie. Not to mention killing Spike. |
| Anonymous #590759 9 months ago |
Well, her thought process was more like:
"Princess Luna shows up IN PERSON with the best Nightmare Night getup EVER, with a scary chariot and everything." "Play along" Basically, she thought that Luna was getting into the spirit of the holiday. But she's too "into" the party to just say "ooooh! Scary costume!" No, she wants to make it as cool and scary for the kiddies as possible. As for Fluttershy: Come on. It's Nightmare Night. Who DIDN'T think that she'd be hiding under her bed from anything and everything in this episode? |
| togashimenai #590808 9 months ago |
I would buy that excuse if it were any other ponies. We spent several episodes establishing that Pinkie Pie has supernatural senses about people and things. He entire cosmic schtick is to make people feel better. Furthermore, she has GOT to know Nightmare Moon's story. You know, the whole "turned evil because she was shunned by society" thing?
I do NOT blame Fluttershy for staying home and refusing to open her door. However, she IS the Element of Kindness who PERSONALLY helped cleanse the evil from Nightmare Moon. What's her excuse for turning her back on a pony in need? |
| sweatshirt #590809 9 months ago |
also, where the heck was rarity? |
| togashimenai #590825 9 months ago |
Rarity's scene was cut for time. She WAS going to give Luna a makeover, but get carried away and go overboard. She was going to mess up a little bit, but not because she was being a dick. By the way, Pinkie was supposed to enter the scene and scream at Luna again. |
| dudemang #590841 9 months ago |
Why stop there? What about Zecora? Producing those lifelike illusions and scaring children, perpetuating a myth about an evil that is apparently gone. And who knows what's in that dust?
And of course, Luna's to blame, too! Speaking in such loud tones, making very blatant and threatening gestures, including siccing spiders on the townsponies! This is also partially Celestia's fault, as always, because she should've taken the responsibility to teach Luna how to adjust as royalty! In fact, it's all Gosh, when you think about it, everypony is responsible in some way for these grievous injustices, or if not these, then others! We're talking about a race of candy-colored equines that think almost nothing of snapping a bear's neck, for crying out loud! (Remember when Twilight was merely concerned that Fluttershy wasn't a scaredy-pony? Not to mention that her motive for that entire episode wasn't so much about friendship as much as satisfying her OCD - how incredibly selfish!) The fact that these characters can be portrayed like this is an insult to storytelling, [i]it's an insult to the western storytelling tradition, it's an insult to any common definition of justice! These characters are laughable caricatures of overblown personality traits that get away with anything!The stories are nothing but hollow, insipid skeletons, mindless vehicles to tell nothing but the most common of morals!IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT'S A CARTOON OR SOMETHING!Disclaimer: the above rant was not incredibly serious and was my attempt at parodying these usual discussions. No offense was meant outright. Though these discussions do strike me as very, very silly. |
| Nebbie #590872 9 months ago |
Pinkie Pie was right all along. Her very nonserious way of looking at things may have nearly devastated Luna's feelings, but that's only cause she didn't know Luna was so sensitive about that.
Fluttershy being afraid of Luna was not alright tho, she does take things seriously and should know better than to think of Luna like that. As for RD: she knows what Pinkie is like, and was just having fun. |
| dudemang #590878 9 months ago |
Precisely. There was no malice. Just misunderstandings. Comedy. |
| togashimenai #590881 9 months ago |
I am a very serious and analytical person. I actually agree with many of your points, even if you were being sarcastic about them. It seems rather rude to celebrate the evils of Nightmare Moon after her redemption.
Be that as it may, I'm fine with it. I'm fine with Celestia allowing such a celebration to continue. Whatever. The problem I have is that Pinkie Pie really was a mega-bitch. This is supposed to be a show about friendship and the character who represents laughter acted like a greedy, spoiled, self centered ass. From a narrative standpoint, there is almost nothing "good" about Pinkie any more. She's just a dick, and I think it's a very poor direction for the show to take her character. |
| dudemang #590936 9 months ago |
@togashimenai
Dude, I can appreciate that, a'ight? I, too, sometimes like to look at stuff analytically and seriously (or watch others do it, mostly). An alternative viewpoint is invaluable, but it goes both ways. Looking at this cartoon seriously, their actions seem almost inexcusable, but then you look from there and see how it's a cartoon. About technicolor ponies. And I don't say that as a belittling of its capability as an artistic, storytelling medium, but rather as a celebration in whole thereof. Crazy, over-the-top things happen all as a means to an end. A cat-and-mouse game turns into war as they beat each other with planks of wood. A coyote hunts a roadrunner with increasingly convoluted plans (and never catching him is an important foundation of the premise). Giant machines are powered by a stone that feeds on an abstract character concept that fight machines that fight monsters powered by a metal that feeds off an opposing character concept (GaoGaiGar, by the way). It's the power of animation. Looking at things in an incredibly serious and analytic is not bad and I pray you never lose that mindset, nor am I faulting you for having that. But there are times and contexts in which it is most appropriate to employ, and sometimes, many times, animation tends not to be one of them (I guess unless it's seriously dark, which is also plausible), and it needs to yield. ...That's my philosophy, anyhow. |
| dudemang #590948 9 months ago |
Also, we're only a few episodes in the second season. Maybe Pinkie Pie will get some comeuppance. Possibly her party-loving mentality will go too far and she'll end up seriously hurting somepony, then go too far in regretting it and become stoic and rock farmer-like, and her friends have to remind her or encourage her again. Perhaps an aesop about moderation. |
| togashimenai #590981 9 months ago |
The narrative of Tom and Jerry was based around pure violence. Road Runner was likewise thematic and brutal. They never had a pretense of being nice and cuddly.
Friendship is Magic is ABOUT the magic of friendship, LITERALLY. These ponies were supposed to be good role models. They took the classic snob, and made her the "element of generosity" and it WORKED. They took the demure and insecure character and made her EXTREMELY strong in her kindness. This show is QUICKLY losing track of what made it great only a few short months ago. It's BECOMING a cartoon when it used to be a very well written story as told via a colorful medium. All of the characters used to be genuinely nice. Now they're just being used to tell the next joke. And those jokes aren't very nice at all. |
| dudemang #590988 9 months ago |
^ Whatever you say. |
| Captain_Carnation #591016 9 months ago |
Wow. Sure is English major in here. |
| dudemang #591017 9 months ago |
^ You'd be surprised. |
| togashimenai #591033 9 months ago |
Fans of this show are in great variety. Young to old. Males and females. I've read essays about narrative, science and sociopolitical aspects. I've discussed this show with professors and doctors of every caliber.
As for me? I'm a janitor. No English major here. Just an old man on the porch saying "get off ma' lawn!" |
| Drasvin #591079 9 months ago |
I think the main explanation for Pinkie's action in that episode is her ToonPhysics. She can do whatever she wants as long as it's funny or makes for a good gag, though as with her Pinkie Sense, she can't completely control it. The major downside is that she suffers from one of the major limitations that Toons face. If she ends up in a gag situation she is compelled to go along with the gag (and given that she's not in complete control of her Toon Physics powers, she might be unable to consciously notice to compulsion).
Even if we ignore that her Toon powers might be compelling her to participate in the 'gag,' there's sufficient evidence to excuse her action. I'm not saying what she did was acceptable, but that what she did is understandable. First off, Pinkie Pie is known to act childishly and has a rather loose grip on reality. Also, from that start it's obvious that she's really enjoying herself with the holiday, so the 'party pony' part of her personality is at the fore-front and running extra-high off of the sugar rush. And Zecora's story and illusions didn't help much by cranking up the holiday emotions to the extreme. And then we have Luna's appearance, ehich at first just seems like she's getting into the spirit of things. By the time it becomes apparent that Luna's having trouble fitting in, Pinkie Pie is too caught up in the emotional rush of the festival to stop, think, and realize what is going on with Luna (The fact that Pinkie Pie is a 'don't think, feel' kind of character doesn't help either). As for Fluttershy, it's been pointed out that she's easily frightened and would have been hiding under her bed during Nightmare Night anyway. So when she notices Luna, her already fear-addled brain immediately mistakes her for Nightmare Moon. And while Fluttershy might be the Element of Kindness, she is also incredible shy. She does well with animals, but has a lot of difficulty with other ponies. So Fluttershy's shy, combined with her runaway fears, made for a Fluttershy that wasn't very helpful. So basically, it could be summed up that the problem with Luna and Nightmare Night was that everypony was too caught up in the emotions of the night. It took calm, collected Twilight to get thing settled (Luckily Celestia wasn't involved, or Twilight's emotions would have been running high as well) and level-headed Applejack gave the most help in the predicament. |
| togashimenai #591104 9 months ago |
Now THAT was a well written explanation. Okay, for the sake of the "party", I'll excuse Pinkie for being a jerk to Luna. I'll even, begrudgingly, allow Fluttershy her quirks.
How about Twilight, then? She's taking a college course on "friendship", yet she decides that the best course of action is to physically and emotionally FORCE Fluttershy into a situation that she does NOT want any part of. Yes, Twilight has a severe princess fetish, so HER emotions were elevated, but she was still acting pretty cool tempered. What she did to Fluttershy was pretty unfriendly. Does SHE have a decent excuse? |
| Drasvin #591159 9 months ago |
Twilight's excuse is rather simple. She thought Fluttershy was the best choice for helping Luna but she was being unreasonable. Twilight knows that Fluttershy is going to be frightened, but probably figure (or at least hopes) that her kindness will override her fear. When Fluttershy notices Luna, she utters Nightmare Moon and flees into her house, which is exactly what is upsetting Luna. If Twilight had decided to let Fluttershy hide in her house, it probably would have done more harm to the situation. Luna's mood would have already been worsened by Fluttershy's fear and just leave would have left her to brood on that note. By forcing Fluttershy to help, Luna's spirits were lifted some. At least until Pinkie Pie and the band of children happened by at the possible worst time.
Also I don't think Twilight has much of a princess fetish, or at most a minor one. Her severe fetish seems to be more knowledge/mentor than princess. Lesson Zero for example. She was worried about disappointing Celestia, not in a duty to the country and ruler way, but disappointing her in an academic way. And with that note I sadly must be off to bed. I always love discussions like these. |
| togashimenai #591218 9 months ago |
Twilight was WAY more excited to see Princess Luna than anybody else. She damn near squeed. "Fetish" might not be the right word, but Twilight definitely seems to be a huge fan of the royal family. But that's a topic for another time.
I still think that Twilight's actions towards Fluttershy went beyond "friendly nudge" and well into "assault and battery" territory. She had a very good reason, but her methods were REALLY brutal. |
| togashimenai #591296 9 months ago |
Wait-a-minute, I recognize that name, "Drasvin". We had that Tyrant Celestia conversation a while back! You continue to be a worthy adversary, sir and/or madam! |
| dudemang #591788 9 months ago |
I still think that Twilight's actions towards Fluttershy went beyond "friendly nudge" and well into "assault and battery" territory.
Are you referring to the gaggle of cartoon sound effects that happen behind closed doors and the two of them emerging from the cottage none the worse? |
| Anonymous #592390 9 months ago |
Oh Pinkie, I never liked you to begin with.
And now [b]EVERYONE[/B] KNOWS[h1]WHY!!![/1] |
| Anonymous #592400 9 months ago |
Wow, I fail bbscode. |
| Drasvin #592471 9 months ago |
Yeah. Twilight probably was a bit extreme, though Fluttershy was in full panic mode. A simple "friendly nudge" might not have done much. And as you mentioned, Twilight's emotions probably were elevated due to Luna being royalty and all. So all the jerkassery of that episode could be summed up as everypony letting their emotions get the better of them. A reasonable excuse, though a groan-inducing one.
@dudemang It might have been a gaggle of cartoon sound effects, but they were all violent ones, implying some kind of violence happening inside the cottage. True they emerged from the cottage unscathed, but it's likely that Twilight was simply trying to wrestle Flutttershy out the door, which could be rather violent without causing too much noticeable harm. Also we don't get a very good look into the cottage, so it might have been a big mess after Twilight's tussle with Fluttershy. |
| Drasvin #592618 9 months ago |
*facepalm* Oops forgot something in my post.
Togashi, thank you. And you have been a worthy adversary as well. *bows* Sorry about that. Sometimes my brain getting ahead of my fingers and things get omitted on accident. ^^; |
| togashimenai #593571 9 months ago |
I should also point out that Fluttershy never actually did anything to help Luna. The only advice that was given was Twilight saying "a little quieter, princess". All Fluttershy did was try to escape ... constantly. |
| dudemang #593767 9 months ago |
I know, she's just such a horrible pony. |
| Drasvin #593979 9 months ago |
Fluttershy did provide some help. Luna was able to use her quiet voice as a reference for how to speak more quietly. True, she didn't actively provide any help and it's debatable whether or not anypony else would have been able to stand in as a reference, but at least she (unwillingly) contributed. |
| Anonymous #594054 9 months ago |
I actually don't think this is that out of character for Pinkie, but then I've considered her a selfish brat whose action were often indefensible via anything besides "rule of funny". I think this latest bit was just enough over the line to really have people start going " no to far, now she's just being a tool". Pinkie has frankly never had a problem ignoring others desires for her own amusement or satisfaction and has tended to be very self-centered since the start and this was just a particularly glaring example.
This is a problem that starts to effect most "lolrandom" characters fairly quickly in any setting that purposes to be something beyond a gag a minute comedy. As their BS stacks up and their disregard for the feelings of those around them becomes more and more obvious they start to seem increasingly dickish and you start wondering why anyone wants to be around them. Pinkie is one of those immature guys that can be mildly amusing in small doses at a party by acting outrageous and doing stupid things, but who you'd avoid like the plague outside it cause he's loud, annoying, and immature. TL;DR Pinkie Pie needs to grow the fuck up. Like some guy above said an episode or two dealing with her realizing that just doing whatever she wants on whims and being oblivious to those she's affecting can have consequences. She doesn't need to suddenly become emo and serious, but she needs to stop doing shit that even a bit of consideration would quickly show is mean spirited or irresponsible, and hopefully to start to learn that there are plenty of ways to cheer people up that don't involve acting like a buffoon constantly. |
| Drasvin #594283 9 months ago |
@anon 054 One of the things about Pinkie Pie is that generally she doesn't think. The majority of her actions are decided by gut instinct. Pinkie Pie is a "don't think, feel" kind of character, as I mentioned above. She has been shown to consider others' feelings before though. When she and Rainbow were on a pranking spree in The Griffon Brush-off, she refused to prank Fluttershy, because Fluttershy is so timid.
Also the other ponies obviously hang-out with her for some reason, most likely because they do find her amusing and fun, if annoying and bewildering at times. I do agree that Pinkie Pie does act rather childishly. She seems to be the youngest of the group from an emotional and mental stand point. Though that's not necessarily a bad thing. Besides, the only actions I can think of off the top of my head that could be considered mean-spirited/irresponsible that Pinkie Pie has done is during the most recent episode (possible reasons why stated above), stealing Celestia's cupcake in Bird in the Hoof (she was hopped up on sugar and overly excited), and Party of One (she was suffering from a severe case of paranoia by the time she interrogated Spike, and after that she was severely depressed) So in short, Pinkie Pie's major fault is that her actions are ruled by her emotions and she is easily excitable. |
| togashimenai #595446 9 months ago |
In my personal life, I never accept an excuse that was self imposed to begin with. In other words, if your excuse for driving a car into somebody was that you were drunk at the time, it's STILL your fault. So "She ate a lot of sugar" is no excuse, especially if she has a history of being uncontrollable while on a sugar high.
Here are some more of Pinkie's anti-social behaviors (not "asocial" but actual "anti-social"): While preparing for a royal banquet, Pinkie didn't just eat some of the food, she ate some of ALL of the food, effectively ruining every dish. Pinkie (and the other 4) are guilty of being VERY ungrateful for Rarity's dresses. Pinkie's comment of "Who's dress is this?!" was particularly rude and unfriendly. Pinkie made a mess of the NEXT banquet for Celestia. She ruined a pie without even eating it, and rampaged through the rest of the food. This culminated in stealing Celestia's cupcake. I'm actually NOT going to hold her actions in Party of One against her. Yes, her interrogation of Spike was a bit heavy handed, but she WAS going through heavy stress that was caused externally. There's a difference between "she chose to eat too much sugar" and "her friends really are avoiding her". I'll even excuse her actions at the Gala. She legitimately thought that it was a different kind of party. This is reasonable ignorance on her part. She has no such excuse for STEALING FROM THE PRINCESS. When Equestria was threatened with eternal chaos, Pinkie's ONLY concern was for all the free candy, fate of the world be damned. On Nightmare Night, Pinkie was given a single piece of candy, but ended up stealing all of it anyway. So, when it comes down to it, Pinkie's impulsiveness is usually non-harmful. Even her actions towards Luna can be excused as a misunderstanding due to Luna's entrance (which was AWESOME). The major problem seems to be pure, unrestrained, unmoderated gluttony. She has ZERO self control in the presence of food, especially candy. Any food she doesn't have, she'll steal. Any food she can't eat, she'll ruin. She'd be worse than a parasprite if there were more of her. I don't mind that she likes to eat a lot. I DO mind that she steals it. She can go ahead and be "controlled by her emotions", but there has to be a line somewhere. |
| SpecialAnon #597755 9 months ago |
I didn't like how she and RD nearly destroyed Luna's chance at redemption, but I guess that's because they were true to their characteristics. You win this round continuity. |
| Anonymous #610305 9 months ago |
On Nightmare Night, Pinkie Pie stole 40 bags of candy.
Forty bags. That's as many as four tens. Oh, and traumatized royalty for shits and giggles. And that's terrible. |