
| Anonymous #448731 10 months ago |
I don't get why we have to bitch about these SO MUCH. Past Sins had it's flaws. So what? What about those other horrible fanfics that are FAR worse? You know, those ones on the same level as "Spiderses" without TRYING to be bad? |
| Anonymous #448733 10 months ago |
yes. yes it is.
go to youre room and write a three hundred page essay on why i should throw you down the well. |
| The_Baron #448734 10 months ago |
to an extent, but people don't have to read it and they can filter image tags out anyway so.... |
| Glord #448737 10 months ago |
Very bad. |
| Lola_Del_Rio #448738 10 months ago |
...yes |
| Anonymous #448746 10 months ago |
Yes.
Yes it is. The only way to redemption is to... Go into space with Captain Harlock. |
| Hex-Master #448749 10 months ago |
That's right, you're in big trouble missy! |
| Kein #448785 10 months ago |
Refer to >>43113
for clarification |
| Anonymous #448794 10 months ago |
@anon448733
LOLOLOLOLOLOL! |
| Geldon #448808 10 months ago |
I was looking forward to seeing this supposed Mary Sue in action but, when the story was finally complete and I gave it a read, I really did not see it.
Yes, Nyx was an all-powerful alicorn. Yes, she's improbably attractive (in terms of youthful cutsiness). Yes, she was improbably doted on by the mane cast. However, when you start with the idea you've a resurrected Nightmare Moon who ends up getting instilled kindness by the Ponyvillians, you really can't afford any of this. She has to be an alicorn because she's nightmare moon. She has to be accepted by the mane cast or how are they going to teach her anyway. And she has to be cute enough for them to overlook she's nightmare moon. |
| Anonymous #448834 10 months ago |
What is Spiderses about?
Anyway, yeah... I'm pretty neutral towards Nyx since I haven't read any of Sins Past. |
| kassarc16 #448836 10 months ago |
No Nyx, it's not. Don't listen to the Parasprites. |
| Anonymous #448856 10 months ago |
Yes Nyx, it is bad, now go kill yourself. Plus most bad fanfics are made bad because that is their claim to fame. Anyone who doesn't realize this, is pretty damn stupid. |
| Geldon #448860 10 months ago |
@#448808
I hate it when I typo entire words, especially when it produces the opposite thing that I intended to say. Afford = Avoid. Another thing that could not be avoided is that she had to be an OC. If you just had straight up Nightmare Moon, she's flat out evil and unreceptive to redemption, game over. Modified, OC Nightmare Moon, the story works. |
| Hex-Master #448862 10 months ago |
@#448808
Except she's not Nightmare Moon. She's an OC. The fic itself reinforces this. |
| Anonymous #448883 10 months ago |
People keep doing it because it creates shitstorms. Don't say anything. Succesful troll is succesful. TROLLOLOLOLOLOLOL! |
| Geldon #448900 10 months ago |
@#448862
OMG, I can't believe I anticipated that would happen and got it in a minute before it did :) So, once you cut out everything that was absolutely mandatory to make this story work, what have you got left in terms of Mary Sue qualifications? |
| Hex-Master #448913 10 months ago |
@#448900
I don't see how any of those qualities are mandatory. |
| Geldon #448936 10 months ago |
@#448913
That's frustrating. Were the reasons I mentioned #448808 and #448860 refutable to you, or did you just chose to ignore them? To put it another way, imagine you intend to write a story involving Nightmare Moon being redeemed. First thing you realize is Nightmare Moon cannot be redeemed as the end result, so you're going to have to rip out her brains. Bam: Nyx is basically just a blank slate at first, little more than an oblivious frightened filly with the learning capacity you'd expect from an alicorn. That's ALL Nyx is, Nightmare Moon minus Nightmare Moon's brain, and that's the OC part of it. Alright, so your intended method of reforming Nightmare Moon is obviously to have our supposed Elements of Harmony instill kindness in here, and so obviously they're going to have to like her. Only problem: they're scared shitless of Nightmare Moon. How can you overcome that? Make her cute. And there's another two, the improbable attraction and the being doted on. Last thing left: Nyx being an alicorn. Well, maybe she could have been an Earth Pony, Unicorn, or Pegasus. And we'd tell the writer he's a fucking idiot because Nightmare Moon is an alicorn. Well, you could insert the idea that the other three types can evolve into an alicorn, but that's so vestigial it feels like a bad idea to add. |
| WesternBirds #448961 10 months ago |
Being completely neutral toward Nyx and not having read Past Sins (or really any fanfics dunno why I guess I'm not much of a reader), I see a lot of Sue-ish qualities in her. The bits and pieces I do pick up though (like being considered Twilight's daughter or living with her or something) sound very strange to me. |
| PPG_Hunter #448986 10 months ago |
Bull honkey. Darth Vader redeemed himself without a lobotomy, and he blew up a freaking planet. Keep NMM, take away her power, and make her live among the ponies as a helpless filly. Now you've got a story that explores mercy, forgiveness, trust, and redemption from the word go, and it all means something since it's truly about Pony Hitler instead of Pony Hitler's identical twin. |
| Anonymous #448989 10 months ago |
#448862
Actually, she is. She is the physical embodiment of Nightmare Moon, reduced to infancy, with an infants mind/blank slate. |
| Anonymous #449001 10 months ago |
^They slowly work with that. It's something where you would have to read the story to understand how it works. |
| Geldon #449002 10 months ago |
@#448961
Yeah, the Twilight's daughter thing does seem a bit too sueish, but they do have a pretty good explanation for that. It's built of these ideas: 1. Twilight is the head of the Elements of Harmony and so she's probably the best all-around target to go after if you're trying to make this reincarnated Nightmare Moon resistant to them 2. Nightmare Moon was nothing more than a parasite living on Luna. She's going to need a physical base. They use some kind of special magical clay for the greater bulk, but they also have some blood from a living pony involved. That one being the very pony whose resistance is so very important (See #1 above). 3. Okay, so we've got a bit of Twilight's blood in our reincarnated Nightmare Moon. Twilight was on location when she was created so she had reasons to be there and pick her up. Furthermore, she's actually blood related. Damn, Past Sins is really digging its own grave here in terms of seeing Mary Sueness, but once you have this idea of using the blood of a Mane cast member, who could this not happen? @#448986 Dark Vader was the opposite scenario. He was a good guy corrupted, not a bad guy being turned pure, so when he redeems himself he's really just coming around. You could have had Nightmare Moon running around Ponyville as helpless, but the only trouble is I don't think Nightmare Moon by herself has room to be good. If you take Luna out of Nightmare Moon (and that's one of our premises) what have you got left? Pure, unadulterated corruption. You're asking to turn water into wine here. If you want to go that route, you could certainly try, but the problem is that it becomes much less feasible-feeling to anyone who thinks it through. |
| Anonymous #449005 10 months ago |
ninja'd twice. :( |
| Hex-Master #449175 10 months ago |
@#448936
"First thing you realize is Nightmare Moon cannot be redeemed as the end result, so you're going to have to rip out her brains." Wow. Wow. I literally stopped reading write there. If you're writing a story about redeeming a a villain and your first thought is "This villain can't be redeemed, so I'll just rip out her brain" then you are a shit writer. Or, to be more exact, Pen Stroke is |
| Anonymous #449190 10 months ago |
Can somebody tell me what the fuck a Mary Sue is and where that originated from? |
| Anonymous #449206 10 months ago |
A Mary Sue is basically a character that is overly great. It originated from an intenionally badly written Star Trek fanfic. |
| Hex-Master #449233 10 months ago |
@#449002
Yeah, Nightmare Moon is only pure, unadulterated evil because Pen Stroke said she was. You could write a Nightmare entity separate from Luna as both angry, maybe even a little vengeful, but still vulnerable. Maybe Nyx could have been NMM trying to lie low while her power returned but she slowly grew to like Twilight. Like at first she wanted her revenge but by the time the cultist return her to her true form she doesn't want to hurt anyone and just becomes kind of a noble demon, tied into the path of eternal night by circumstances. Then in the end she realizes she doesn't have to be a villain and decides to help Twilight and her friends against Spell Nexus. But no, let's go with your lobotomy plan, shall we? |
| PPG_Hunter #449260 10 months ago |
@8989: But without the mind of NMM, she's just another OC. Nyx may as well be a stripèd green rabbit for all she has in common with NMM.
Geldon@9002: Sure, it's a long shot, but a bit more suspension of disbelief is a small price to pay to avoid the Mary Sue label. Besides, it can always be waved off as NMM's pony form giving her the capacity for empathy along with all the other emotions and impulses that come with it. (Basically the pony version of the Humanity Ensuestrope. |
| d715 #449618 10 months ago |
Nitghmare Moon isn't suppost to be evil, she's suppost to be all of Luna's jelousy, need for attention/friends and bitterness mixed in with some Evil Magic
Thus Nyx should be a load mouth, subborn kid would acts like an overlord (like call her friends minnons) but at the same has a massive Inferiority Complex and greatly cares about her "minnors". That's how I would write her anyway Anyway the real problem of Past Sins is that it have major flaws but its fans seem to think it's 19/5 stars perfect. |
| Zael #449781 10 months ago |
Who's Pen Stroke? |
| Anonymous #449814 10 months ago |
She's not a Mary Sue. She's an OC. The difference is that a Mary Sue has no real problems. She has no past to overcome, she makes no major mistakes that need correcting, and she is generally beloved by all.
Nyx, on the other hand, finds herself eventually suffering through a past no longer truly her own, and in the process makes some major decisions that turns nearly everyone against her at one point or another. True she starts out loved by all, but she goes through a major character arc that helps to expose character flaws that help to develop her as time goes on. Anyway, I'm not a fan of the story because it's perfect. I'm a fan because Pen Stroke keeps working to perfect it. |
| Hex-Master #449971 10 months ago |
@#449814
Anon, your post has touched me. And not in the inappropriate way! I'll be honest, I really don't like the story (worst plot shift since Episode Three) but I've got nothing against Nyx in particular. |
| RealityCheck #450529 10 months ago |
Frankly, I think the problem that the haters have with the fanfic is that there was no eviscerations and/or lesbian sex in it. |
| Anonymous #450623 10 months ago |
I really don't get the Nyx hate, okay that Nyx-face meme is horrible and I hate it, but the story and character itself is quite good.
I don't think she's a mary sue, she does have some unusual traits like being an alicorn, but it's required for the story to work since she's supposed to be Nightmare Moon, and the fact that she's an Alicorn is more of a flaw at first. She rarely uses her Alicorn power, only after she's tranformed back into NM, but that's to be expected. She does have flaws and even if she's a mary sue, she's a rare example of a mary sue that actually works and is kind of justified in the conext if the story. It's a sweet story of redemption and what it means to be a mother. And I personally could really identifiy with Nightmare Moon, it's just the worst thing in the world when someone expects you to be a monster, and I was there, I know how it is. And yeah most importanly, Nyx has a great arc and character development, as does Twilight and even Celestia to a degree. |
| Sind #450975 10 months ago |
"she does have some unusual traits like being an alicorn, but it's required for the story to work since she's supposed to be Nightmare Moon"
Yes, and this is a flaw that could have been easily fixed if the story simply wasn't written at all :V |
| Some_Anon #451160 10 months ago |
God damn it, people, and so close to the premiere. I have an idea *insert panel 1 of Patrick's comic* Let's take all the hate *insert panel 2 of Patrick's comic* and shove it somewhere else! Something more relevant, like the actual bad stories or something. |
| CommandoDude #467185 10 months ago |
Nyx haters never do seem to be able to put forth any solid reason why Nyx is a mary sue it all.
Why bother arguing with them? You present well founded points only to have them lol in your face and say "dontcareitsallbs" and "nyxissuesogtfo!" |
| Hex-Master #467256 10 months ago |
@#467185
Here you go! http://ponibooru.413chan.net/post/view/56847 I'd post something new, but I don't like you very much, so you get a recycled argument about why Nyx sucks. That's what you get for being a jerk. |
| SupaShoopa #1031443 4 months ago |
Yes, very, very, bad. |
| Anonymous #1038223 4 months ago |
Fuck Nyx |
| zammullins #1206534 3 months ago |
To be honest, Nyx, I find myself asking the same question whenever someone brings up "Mary Sue". |
| Anonymous #1261219 3 months ago |
Yes you are.
They are dreadful, For an pony Being a Alicorn,Having to do with Celestia,Luna, Nightmare moon, Recolors of them,Having an element,sibling with canon, Paired with canon pony, Too many powers, Having a canon ponys trademark( Rainbow hair,Rainbow dash sonic rainboom) , ETC, is an MARYSUE. Not an OC. |