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Anonymous
#474519
10 months ago
Its an oc ...

So its more than ok
Anonymous
#474528
10 months ago
This I like to see, another dead OC. My heart is filled with glee. I'm guessing Luna was the one that killed it, and is now dribbling her spittle in fanciful frenzy. So good for her.
Anonymous
#474580
10 months ago
You people are weird. Shouldn't we hate UNoriginal characters? We need all the ORIGINAL characters we can get these days!

Really, it's almost like you are all part of a movement against creativity.
Anonymous
#474583
10 months ago
Regardless of how believable the premise is of Nightmare Moon being pregnant at the time she was banished...can you really even call a nameless newborn that lived for a few seconds an OC?
Epicplatypus
#474589
10 months ago
I remember back in the days when OC's weren't looked down on...
This picture made me sad...
NightJack
#474607
10 months ago
The real problem with most OCs anon580 is that they are not really that original, most are "My OC is like just like this pony but better" or "MY OC can do this, this, this, and this, making it the best ever" so not really that original.
Anonymous
#474612
10 months ago
i find the lack of faith towards ocs a little discouraging. Sure, if they are trying to earn more praise than they deserve like overcomplicated backstories and such but this one is just a theory. It was also a request by somebody the artist drew for them, hardly asking look at me. I wonder if i'll get just as much flak if i were to post one that just hangs in the background where it would belong anyway.
NightJack
#474622
10 months ago
@Epicplatypus I miss those times too, but most people don't really try to developed the OCs they make now, just put it all right in our lap and want us to like them with out reason.
Anonymous
#474624
10 months ago
Can we please focus here!?
Her foal just died!
NightJack
#474627
10 months ago
I'm not saying that pony is a bad OC, it's a new born, and I looked at the source page, the idea pulled at my heart a little.
Anonymous
#474639
10 months ago
Some people don't seem to realize that hypothetical characters can be useful/necessary for the sake of a story idea.
Sevireth
#474688
10 months ago
>picture of a dead foal and a crying mother

>some anonymous fuckers point and laugh

jesus dick my sarcasm bariers are really running thin
that is just some genuinely unadulterated bastards here, it starts to feel like peckfucks from 4chans /b/ are striking the fuck back
Anonymous
#474699
10 months ago
@people defending ocs
Not all ocs are bad, I agree. it's just for every half-decent one, there are at least 100 shit ones, and unfortunately the shit ones' awful stench overpowers all, preventing the goods ones from shining and souring peoples' opinion on them.
Jiranis
#474703
10 months ago
Oh man, those tears.
Im not feeling very good right now.
Sevireth
#474785
10 months ago
^
^
well, guess what — good artists and writers come from bad ones who didnt give up and improved themselves.
with so much shit raining on them from all over the place i highly doubt anyone will be encouraged to struggle and be better and make decent characters.

youre not required to like everything that comes out of the fandom but you definitely dont need to wish death to every character popping up. if you do so youre NOT being part of the solution.

writer who created Nyx wrote Better Living Through Science And Ponies you know.
YenaMuffin
#475077
10 months ago
Screw the argument about OC's!
LOOK at this drawing!
LOOK at the detail, the beauty!
LOOK at the incredible emotion of it!

I'm not ashamed to admit that the more I look at this picture and it the back story of it, that tears start welling up in my own eyes.
Velcro
#475176
10 months ago
Yay! My commission's done! And no, for those wondering, the foal's not a persistent character (like an OC) but an emotional trigger for Nightmare Moon, for the purpose of this image only.

From the image description:


"Breathe!
Please breathe!
...Take my last breath
I held it for you!

There you go...
Good girl.
Breathe.
Breathe.
Brea-
...
please no...
...It...
It can't already be gone!
That air was supposed to last for-
Please!
Celestia!
Send some air!
Can't you see she's suffocating?!

Stay with mama.
Stay with mama.
Stay with-

...Stay...

...You were to be my dawn..."


Luna/Nightmare Moon (unbeknownst to Celestia) was with foal when she was banished, and she is forced to give birth in her lunar exile. She attempted to save her last breath of air from Equestria for her foal, but it failed to sustain the infant... and so she died after the air left her--leaving behind her anguished, exiled, mother.
Velcro
#475182
10 months ago
Ooh, I just read that Arbitergirl says she's going to write a fic based on my commission! I have no clue who Arbitergirl is, but I'm happy someone was touched enough to do so!
Anonymous
#475227
10 months ago
This hurts. This picture seriously hurts, in the way it's supposed to, I think. So I guess it's a good picture- Nightmare Moon, her foal, the uncaring world above and stars around, and the cold, hard rock she stands on are all well-designed, but...

After childbirth hard enough to spill that much blood and other fluid, she loses the one thing in life she still has? That callously?

Hugs are not enough for this kind of pain.
Velcro
#475302
10 months ago
^ It gets darker still if you speculate beyond the moment. A thousand years, alone with her tears and the steadily-ablating body of her last hope. A return to equestria in rage and madness.

Sanity, but with a lingering memory of loss. How do you tell your big sister what she's done in banishing you to the airless moon?

Do you ever tell?
Velcro
#475343
10 months ago
Also, Ponibooru seriously needs a description box for with the pictures. So much is lost simply because people don't read a picture's background.
Anonymous
#475430
10 months ago
@Velcro: I WAS thinking of that to a degree, actually- something along the lines of "Celestia would be lucky not to have permanent scars after NMM sees her again."

Though part of me suspects NMM would at least bury the body, in some small attempt for comforting her lost child. And maybe the reason she was so gentle with the mane six involved Twilight reminding her of the foal.

Still... Hurts.
Kein
#475477
10 months ago
The way people portray banishment on the moon always cracks me up. Ofc I know it is not CU's idea, he just did the commish, but still... many other artists play it in the same way.

It's been already a year since fandom exist. There is a lot of talented artists and yet no one came up with a good, and kind of abstract/symbolical idea of banishment in the moon, just like the show says.

Metaphors are hard indeed.
Velcro
#475662
10 months ago
@Kein ^ Because banishment -in- the moon is boring, has neither pathos nor angst. No emotional value. It would be like a little nap rather than a soul-tearing thousand-year banishment. It would've been harder on Celestia than Nightmare Moon. On top of that, it looks boring; there's no moon-vistas, no desolate grey landscape with equestria lingering overhead.

Being dissolved into the mass of the moon leaves no place for facial expressions.

Of course, if you're really malicious, you could bury the alicorn princess -in- the rock, leaving her trapped in pure darkness without the ability to move... but would even a desperate Celestia do that?
zralf
#475913
10 months ago
@474580 sonic fans accepted every bleeding OC and look where it got them.
Velcro
#475933
10 months ago
^ I think the point is not so much accepting every OC as not suffering an intense OC-phobia. (An irrational and excessive fear of original characters.)
Kein
#476343
10 months ago
@Velcro
It is boring for you because you lack of abstract and metaphorical imagination. You thinking flat, simple. Not with abstract images and ideas that could represent idea and concept.

Banishing on the moon is just silly. Really? On the moon, in space? That is exactly what cracks me up, th whole idea of that >_>

Banishing In the moon is the most hardest thing to portray and represent. But I believe it will be done eventually. I hope.

> Being dissolved into the mass of the moon leaves no place for facial expressions.
Again, as I said - you see it in very limited way.
I think me and Cerebro will try to brainstorm it again one day
Velcro
#476383
10 months ago
@Kein Well, give it a try. It doesn't sound like an easy challenge you picked for yourself. Abstract images are likely going to be misinterpreted, even when done with great skill - worse still if they are done badly or without common reference.

That said, highly-metaphorical art tends to be rather pretentious, more a sign of pretending value for something that has none; A blob of paint on a canvas that a toddler could've splashed there, with a price-tag of $1500+.

"It's metaphorical." "No, it's a blob of paint you made up a story for."

That said, if anyone ever creates any proper abstract of Nightmare Moon's banishment, I'd love to see it.

One final note: I noticed you're the poster for this image. Next time, perchance you could take a moment to add the included description in a comment?
Velcro
#476826
10 months ago
@Kein Oh! Might I hit you with an idea? Maybe it'll help you and your friend find a metaphorical way of displaying Luna's captivity in the moon:

A silver chain necklace, web/net-style rather than singular, with beads of glass at the intersections. The centerpiece of the necklace is a single large glass sphere, in which lies Luna, asleep, curled up like a foal in the womb, nose-to-tail. She's chained to the insides of the sphere with moon-themed chains. Four padlocks hold her bound.

Bonus points if Celestia is wearing it. (Keeping Luna close to her heart)

This is a metaphorical depiction of the nighttime sky, using the beads as stars, and the glass central orb as the moon. The chain-theme, while normally used for decoration in a necklace, helps add to the overal image of captivity. The four padlocks indicate the four stars that set her free.
Kein
#477289
10 months ago
We have had a bit different idea. One of them was "wasteland of memories" and one is "well of a bleeding moon".

Bonus points if Celestia is wearing it. (Keeping Luna close to her heart)

Haha, that will be mislead to Tyrantlestia again, too bad :<
See, every idea can be misinterpret but we will try our best. Original Cerebro's idea he came up with was way too creepy lol.

You idea sounds interesting but I feel like I saw it somewhere already... may be even the necklace, can't remember but damn deja vu. Cerebro don't like to re-use already played ideas (he was quite disappointed by deerabbits in ep01, said - "they left no work for me there!"), but we will see... It won't be soon anyway.

(Damn, I hope CU don't it all of this on his account, it wasn't about his artistic skills after all)
Velcro
#477517
10 months ago
Let me guess: Simpsons did it?
Anonymous
#486073
10 months ago
Symbolism and metaphors can be overdone.

The best way to have art that "speaks" with a clear narrative, is to keep the symbolism and the imagery simple, straight-forward, and clear.

Portraying her ON the moon works just as well, and does not require a large explanation. The moon's landscape is empty and strange, with Equestria hanging in the nothingness of space, small and distant--and a constant reminder of what was left behind... It's the perfect setting for a lonely exile. The physics don't matter since it's fantasy.

The show may have said that she was banished IN the moon, but do not exclude the fact that this too is a metaphor; It's an extension of the title of the the book Twilight was reading: "The Mare in the Moon", which is a play-on-words of "the man in the moon"... which is simply an expression which came from the idea that the lunar mare (pronounced mar-ee-ah) sort of look like a face... In the show, the mar-ee-ah on Equestria's moon look like a mare's head.
Hence: "Mare in the Moon" = metaphor

The idea of her being in the moon is interesting, but it makes for a more complicated detail in a narrative, one that would require unnecessary exposition... Again, simplicity is the key (especially in a show like FiM, where everything is deliberately kept straight-forward).
And if there are two possible explanations... choose the simpler one.

In the moon or on it, both can be illustrated in interesting and boring ways... it all depends on the artist.

But that's just my two cents.

-CU
LunerZero
#490562
10 months ago
Unicorn, I HATE YOU!!!!!!! this is too saddening, even for me. it made me so sad i became enraged at celestia
Anonymous
#497344
10 months ago
I dunno, seems kinda like being sad and nasty for the sake of it.