
| Princess_Luna #239749 1 year ago |
This probably needs a lot of work, but please bear with me. If we work together, this will work in everyponies favor! |
| Flaskgarg #239754 1 year ago |
I like this system. |
| Wrongness #239755 1 year ago |
Whether this works out or not thank you for your efforts. |
| Drpepperfan #239763 1 year ago |
If we're discussing rules and stuff, then I suggest we add something to the rules that mentions that pedofoal isn't allowed. Cause people keep submitting it, and the rules don't mention it. |
| Edef #239765 1 year ago |
This would never stick. People don't even know the reason between porn and nudity as it is. |
| Zincy #239766 1 year ago |
I foresee a rocky start, but if everyone sticks with it, it could work. |
| SonicRainboom93 #239769 1 year ago |
I love you Luna. lol but serously, i like this idea too! XD |
| feather #239776 1 year ago |
not for anything, but couldn't we just use those as tags instead of using the numbers? that's why tags and tag filtering exist . . . |
| Wrongness #239787 1 year ago |
That would be better. But how many uploaders would actually take the time to use those tags? |
| Eco #239788 1 year ago |
maybe. I dunno.
what's the distinction between this stuff and just using the human/fetish/cupcakes/etc tags? is it that these apply to explicit material specifically? do we need a separate tagfilter box that only applies to certain ratings? |
| Eco #239790 1 year ago |
As for using tags vs not using them, explicit material already requires tags as per the rules. I have been handing out bans for doing it wrong. |
| Wrongness #239792 1 year ago |
Of course if we use the numbers people would have to come reference this pic every time they forget the numbers. |
| Anonymous #239794 1 year ago |
Sounds good.
Numbers could be replaced withs omething like "level_1", "level_2" and so on... |
| Blizardpony #239795 1 year ago |
this could work |
| Princess_Luna #239796 1 year ago |
DrPepperFan.
Okay... Like it or not, there -ARE- people here who like it or want to see it. Under this system, I'd classify it under probably 7 or 8. Hmm.... Each number has to blanket over a general topic. Is Pedofoal REALLY that big a deal to seperate it from Hardcore or Fetish? |
| Edef #239800 1 year ago |
This system is asking too much. The only problem with the current system is that there is no AI to automatically ban whiners. |
| Zincy #239806 1 year ago |
I kinda agree with Edef. One single user caused that massive shitstorm by posting meta-whining (granted people like me didn't help when we fought back but...). But i don't think there would be a way to ban whiners. |
| NE1 #239807 1 year ago |
If it's using the numbers only, I think that's way too rule bound for a tag system. Numbers could work if there was a search function in which you could check the content you want. |
| Jackarunda #239808 1 year ago |
It's not that I really dislike the pony porn, it's just that I don't want the admins to feel like they made a bad decision in changing the rules, what with all these complaints.
So, I'm going to go right now hand-draw more innocent pony pictures. Oh and by the way Ms. Luna, I'd certainly be into helping here with tagging. Ponibooru is pretty much the only pony site I visit, and I'd like to see it under peace and order. |
| Princess_Luna #239810 1 year ago |
Eco, yes this applies to EXPLICIT material only.
This way, people can still view explicit material... just not certain KINDS of Explicit material. Each number is a blanket that covers a general topic, and although some holes have been poked in them, it's pretty solid at the moment. Individually tagging each picture would require a FAR GREATER effort and cooperation from everyone. Simply aliasing those tags into groups, and then putting them simply under a number makes everything effortless. That is what I'm going for. |
| Wrongness #239811 1 year ago |
If we could set up a system like this one and embed a pic of the chart in the uploads page and the filter page and then strictly enforce the tags it could work. but it would end up being a lot of work for the mods. |
| Zincy #239812 1 year ago |
^There was only like 4 people complaining (and 2 very vocally) Most were neutral or just hated the meta pics. |
| Edef #239816 1 year ago |
Also please solidify the difference between nudity and porn. |
| Anonymous #239817 1 year ago |
Banning "whiners" is essentially the same thing you were railing against when the rules disallowed porn, just in a way that you now agree with. |
| Zincy #239819 1 year ago |
I think thats what cute porn is edef. |
| Princess_Luna #239823 1 year ago |
Edef:
As it was once said by a wise man... "Erotica is using only a single feather. Pornography is using the whole damn chicken." Nudity would be otherwise rated as Questionable, and does not fall under this system's jurisdiction. |
| Wrongness #239825 1 year ago |
I'm not trying to start an argument but isn't genitalia drawn on a pony meant to be porn? |
| SonicRainboom93 #239826 1 year ago |
Or, setting up another spot or something for porn? idk :P |
| Edef #239827 1 year ago |
A lot of this stuff is open to so much interpretation it would cause more problems than it would solve. You're also putting gore as more explicit than porn. This is opposite to how it works in today's rating systems. |
| Zincy #239830 1 year ago |
Tasteful nudes Wrongness, tasteful nudes. |
| Zincy #239833 1 year ago |
My question is, how do we rate fetishes? |
| Princess_Luna #239836 1 year ago |
Edef, I also stated that images such as gore should be tagged as such to begin with and blacklisted separate to this system. |
| Anonymous #239837 1 year ago |
Better to have accurate tags for content than a bunch of numbers.
also we really, really needed tag aliases before this was unleashed. Will we get them now? |
| NE1 #239838 1 year ago |
(Maybe rule bound isn't the right word. Just, for a while everyone would have a tab open with the chart system till they understand how to tag and search properly).
I don't think genitalia necessarily transforms an image into porn. It would have to be the next step up, ejaculated fluids, intercourse, fetish imagery, stuff like that, to make it porn. That's still vague, I know. |
| Eco #239841 1 year ago |
Edef, as for the difference between porn and nudity, it's in the rules.
porn - use when anything overtly sexual is occuring onscreen. nudity - naked humans, explicitly drawn genitals or uncovered breasts, whether in a sexual context or not. What of this is ambiguous? |
| Edef #239842 1 year ago |
@819
Open to too much personal interpretation. Nudity should simply be exposed genitalia, and porn if the genitalia is being penetrated or doing penetration, etc. |
| Eco #239843 1 year ago |
Tag aliases exist. Mods can set them.
Lemme blow through the tag list to try and find some good candidates. |
| feather #239844 1 year ago |
Zincy, ponies drawn normally are tasteful nudes. When you add genitals it pretty much has to be for pornographic reasons. or for trolling, I guess. nude anthros and humans are a different matter. |
| Princess_Luna #239847 1 year ago |
Zincy, I have that currently set as Number 7. It can easily spill over into number 8 as well.
I understand that there are some fetishes more acceptable than others, and I honestly don't know why I specified bondage outside it (maybe it just seemed apparent when I typed it?) |
| Wrongness #239850 1 year ago |
Probably the best solution is to make a separate section that you have to actively go to to put all questionable to explicit content in. This would be the hardest solution to set up but the easiest to maintain once you are done with it. It would also please the most users (not everyone you can't please everyone.) |
| Zincy #239853 1 year ago |
^what if they are going for a sense of realism, or comedic (see any pic where spike see's a nude rarity) effect feather? |
| Anonymous #239855 1 year ago |
In the context of the show nudity does not expose genitals. Drawing genitals on ponies is clearly a step beyond simple nudity. |
| Edef #239856 1 year ago |
It's not ambiguous to me, as I explained above. It's ambiguous to the other dumbass taggers.
Of course, I'm assuming everything after "naked humans" is not referring to naked humans, but ponies. |
| Princess_Luna #239861 1 year ago |
Eco, I really do appreciate your counter-arguments. This plan NEEDS Criticism in order to flesh out correctly.
But even so, relying on the mods isn't a better plan either. They seem very detached from the happenings, and I don't see them taking much action anywhere. I would like to believe that the site is mostly unsupervised. That's why so much stuff can be gotten away with. Especially since anonymous users can post and comment. |
| Anonymous #239862 1 year ago |
Zincy are you saying porn can't be funny? 'cause I have a picture of a fat guy eating a can of corn |
| your_waifu #239864 1 year ago |
and now the problem is some categories will include multiple subjects.
look at 7. fetishes. i have vore, rape, pedophilia and slavery filtered. but if i filter "7" then the fetishes i do like will also be filtered. or what about people who prefer a specific gender? or a combination of say, 4 and 7, but not straight pony 7? honestly, just filter out the stuff you don't want. the system we have now should be working but people just want to act belligerent. |
| Wrongness #239865 1 year ago |
Um Luna Eco is a mod... |
| feather #239867 1 year ago |
I reitterate that simply tagging properly covers all this without a numbering system users have to refer back to. that way users can filter content they don't want by specific subject (bondage, gore, etc) or search out what they do. having a group of people dedicated to making sure things are tagged properly is definitely a good thing, but lets not make it more complicated then it has to be. |
| Edef #239868 1 year ago |
Since the rule change the only thing the mods are really needed for is deleting all those meta bitchposts, which there has been a LOT of. |
| Princess_Luna #239872 1 year ago |
*facehoofs*
I feel stupid now. Damnit, I even sent you a PM earlier even! fuckmylife. |
| Wrongness #239873 1 year ago |
If people tag correctly. I have both porn and nudity blocked and I still ended up seeing half the porn uploaded today. |
| Anonymous #239874 1 year ago |
What other topics of conversation would you like to disallow? |
| Princess_Luna #239880 1 year ago |
@#239874
What do you mean by that? |
| Zincy #239883 1 year ago |
I think one thing that would really benefit this site would be a forum. A place to vent frustrations and and flank-hurt before it boils over into meta madness. It would also provide a good place for suggestions. |
| NE1 #239886 1 year ago |
There's no way to get around people tagging images improperly. No way.
You just need to have a dedicated team of users or janitors or something like that to tag things properly. |
| Wrongness #239887 1 year ago |
No one said anything about censoring conversations... |
| Zincy #239889 1 year ago |
Trust the Sociologist, people are far calmer when they have a place to vent. |
| Edef #239890 1 year ago |
@Zincy
We have that already. The FiMchan thread. http://fim.413chan.net/art/res/3.html |
| Wrongness #239894 1 year ago |
We have a thread? |
| Zincy #239896 1 year ago |
One thread not a well developed forum make. |
| Zincy #239898 1 year ago |
We need something with layers. Set up areas for venting, for suggestions, praise, ect. |
| feather #239899 1 year ago |
#239883 fimchan. no one seems to know that thread's there, though . . .
oh and Eco you no longer link back to FiMchan in the rules. means people don't always find they're way there. |
| Edef #239901 1 year ago |
It's a sticky. It's good enough. There are plenty of measures in place for the thin-skins. We don't need a whole forums to contain their bitching. |
| Jackarunda #239902 1 year ago |
A group of people to simply enforce proper tagging would be a good solution IMHO. |
| Anonymous #239904 1 year ago |
Why was there not a meaningful warning before the rule change? Why weren't the rules displayed to the general userbase so they could get used to the idea and make their feelings known in a more controlled manner and these issues resolved before they became problems? |
| Princess_Luna #239908 1 year ago |
Okay, well then... If people wish for tags to be made more properly, how about I toss out this entire rating system and just gather up a group of people who will go through images and actually tag everything?
it would require more effort, as well as something that should be done in the first place... but it's a lot more solid than this idea. |
| feather #239909 1 year ago |
I wholeheartedly support a forum by the way, I'm just saying FiMchan is a place you can take issues with Ponibooru. |
| Zincy #239911 1 year ago |
More mods that could be on at more times would be a good idea. And a set division that looks after tags like jack said. |
| Anonymous #239913 1 year ago |
How is it difficult to believe that some people aren't comfortable using a site for ponies AND pornography and are making their feelings known? Why is this considered a bad thing by those of you who pushed for pornography in the name of freedom in the first place? |
| feather #239914 1 year ago |
#239904 the conversation was on FiMchan. *cue quotes from Hitchhiker's Guide* |
| Zincy #239916 1 year ago |
Hindsight is 20/20 904. No sense complaining about the past, we must fix the future. |
| Wrongness #239917 1 year ago |
That thread is mostly people demanding stuff either be deleted or stop being deleted. |
| Zincy #239918 1 year ago |
Woo there sugercube. No need to restart all that madness 913. |
| Flaskgarg #239919 1 year ago |
I like the mods idea for this place actually.
I wouldn't mind seeing better tagging either. Mods and tags please. |
| Zincy #239922 1 year ago |
Btw i would volunteer to be on tag watch if needed. I don't have much else to do for a few months lol. |
| Edef #239923 1 year ago |
Pretty sure a mod locked the tags on some images earlier today, except they locked the "porn" tag on images that only contained nudity. |
| Zincy #239924 1 year ago |
(and i totally would volunteer to be a mod...yes...all power to zincy) |
| Anonymous #239925 1 year ago |
hindsight is 20/20 If you don't learn from mistakes you will only repeat them. |
| Zincy #239927 1 year ago |
Hence why we must look forward, not wonder why we fucked up... we know what went wrong, no need to restate it. |
| Princess_Luna #239928 1 year ago |
@#239913
No no, you're not understanding what this is about. This system will allow people who still DO want to see all the porn and ponies in one place, but for the people who want some, but not all... this allows them to pick and choose. Either way, it's flawed to no end as shown above. |
| Flaskgarg #239930 1 year ago |
I volunteer to tag, and a mod.
I'm on here all day anyway, why not clean the place up while I'm at it, right? |
| Wrongness #239932 1 year ago |
The current mods can't really trust any of us to not just ban all the users we disagree with if they were to give us mod powers. |
| Zincy #239933 1 year ago |
Nothing is perfect luna, we must make due with what we can. |
| Edef #239935 1 year ago |
Simply differentiating between porn and nudity is enough of a segregator between the naughty stuff. |
| Zincy #239936 1 year ago |
Then we need Meta mods to watch the lesser mods (Who watchers the watchers) |
| Flaskgarg #239940 1 year ago |
What? Not trust any of us?
That's a little harsh Wrongness. |
| Wrongness #239941 1 year ago |
The point is we are trying. and doing it in a calm productive manner. |
| Zincy #239945 1 year ago |
Any rouge mod would be put-down by the higher ups. |
| Wrongness #239947 1 year ago |
I'm just saying the mods don't know any of us personally. |
| Zincy #239949 1 year ago |
Damn'it i mean rogue...i make that same mistake in WoW |
| feather #239950 1 year ago |
#239932 misbehaving mods can be demoted :P it's happened before. |
| Zincy #239951 1 year ago |
Do all the mods no each other personally? If so, thats one tight nit mod group. |
| Anonymous #239955 1 year ago |
Hence why we must look forward, not wonder why we fucked up... we know what went wrong, no need to restate it. I want to know why things happened the way they did and I want to know that these mistakes won't be repeated. I understand that you're touchy thanks to past arguments but I can't allow them to block actual meaningful discussion. |
| Zincy #239956 1 year ago |
DAMNIT..."know" Can't brain today, have the dumb. |
| Edef #239957 1 year ago |
How many mods are there anyways? |
| feather #239960 1 year ago |
it's the internet. expecting ANYONE to know eachother personally is a little much. |
| Wrongness #239961 1 year ago |
Only one I know of is Eco. |
| Zincy #239963 1 year ago |
OoHH, we could make new mods take an oath! (sorry i'm nerding out here) |
| Flaskgarg #239964 1 year ago |
One as far as I can tell.
Also, we need a chat box too. Something like Equestria Daily's old chat box would be nice. Talking here is awkward. |
| Princess_Luna #239966 1 year ago |
Well, I DO have experience modding and administrating other websites and chats. I also have experience tagging images on a large scale. Call me egotistical or whatever, but I should qualify for some sort of mod position...
But that's irrelevant at this point. If we can get a group of active USERS to tag things, mods won't be necessary |
| Zincy #239968 1 year ago |
One or two mods can police this whole site, we've become to big for that. |
| Zincy #239969 1 year ago |
ohh...horseapples i meant can't |
| Wrongness #239971 1 year ago |
In Brightest day
In darkest night no trolling shall escape my sight? |
| Doctor_Whooves #239973 1 year ago |
^ Egotistical. |
| redweasel #239974 1 year ago |
censored porn = tags: censored, porn
cute porn = tags: cute, porn solo porn = tags: solo, porn softcore porn = tags: softcore, porn human porn = tags: human, porn explicit shipping = tags: shipping, porn bondage/fetish = tags: bondage or fetish hardcore = wut cupcakes = tags: that_cupcakes worse cupcakes = tags: worse_than_that_cupcakes don't see what's so complicated about this |
| Edef #239975 1 year ago |
Those users already exist: everyone. The problem is is that those users usually don't agree, which is why mods are needed to lock things in place. |
| feather #239976 1 year ago |
#239966 mostly unnecessary, yea. |
| Zincy #239978 1 year ago |
I to am a mod on another site....its a chan that I...don't perticually want to name... |
| your_waifu #239979 1 year ago |
i'm pretty sure feather is a mod??? i'm actually not even sure who is a mod. it was never made official or anything |
| Flaskgarg #239981 1 year ago |
That's it.
I don't care if I sound snobby, I have been a victim of misbehaving mods and I am afraid that if I don't act, it may happen again. I, Flaskgarg, fully volunteer to mod. |
| Princess_Luna #239982 1 year ago |
Lol. Thank you, Doctor. |
| feather #239987 1 year ago |
alright lets just be official about this:
currently we have one mod and one admin. Eco, of course, is our admin, and I am the mod. We had one or two others that didn't work out. |
| your_waifu #239988 1 year ago |
if we're going to do this never fucking make me a mod of anything. i couldn't handle the shame. |
| Lockstep #239989 1 year ago |
Sounds too complicated to me. If people are looking for porn, they can just look under the porn tag and remove the "explicit" blinder to sift through the thumbnails for what they want. More specific things can mostly be found through character names and the like.
There really isn't so much porn here that we need to make it more convenient for people to look through it. Someone who wants bondage stuff can just go by character and it won't take long at all to find something. Most of the things on the list can overlap with each other and with non-explicit material, too. It's more trouble than it's worth. People complain a lot about the porn and gore, but there can't be so much of it that we need to implement an entirely new system to manage it. Just the 'porn' and 'gore' tags should be enough when coupled with character names. |
| NE1 #239991 1 year ago |
There has to be an application system. Becoming a mod shouldn't be as simple as raising your hand. |
| Jackarunda #239992 1 year ago |
I wouldn't request mod powers, I'd just be less reluctant to go around tagging things properly if I knew there were some others like me. Being a one-man do-gooder is kinda futile.
also, Luna stopped commenting. Thred is ded. |
| Wrongness #239993 1 year ago |
If we are going to pick a pony out of a crowd at random and upgrade them to alicorn do it cautiously. |
| Doctor_Whooves #239994 1 year ago |
The proposed system is far too complicated for the vast majority of users here. Not that they're stupid; it's just people on the internet are lazy as hell, and they'll never adhere to something that complex. |
| Zincy #239995 1 year ago |
When we are this deep in the manure, hand raising may be our best bet. |
| Jackarunda #239996 1 year ago |
^ Gosh damnit nevermind. I didn't refresh the page for as long as it took to write that comment, which was about 20 seconds, and I got ninja'd 9 times. |
| Zincy #239998 1 year ago |
Luna would be the best bet for mod-ship, seeing as she set this whole thing up pretty well. |
| Doctor_Whooves #240003 1 year ago |
^^^ But we're not deep in anything; the recent flood is just due to the fact that porn has been banned her so long, there's a huge backlog of it.
It'll calm down on its own; just wait. |
| feather #240004 1 year ago |
#239996 happens when we're treating this as a chatroom, yea |
| Edef #240005 1 year ago |
Damnit Eco, get back in this thread. |
| Princess_Luna #240006 1 year ago |
Well actually Doctor, I tried my best to simplify it as best I could. This is what I came up with...
Do you think I'm still giving them too much credit? I mean... Everyone here has said something about the tags, when they can be doing it themselves... but still! |
| Lockstep #240009 1 year ago |
Unless I missed something, I don't think anyone's complaining about it being difficult to find the porn they like. The complaints are about seeing the porn/gore as anons (even behind the blinders) without it being automatically filtered out. Is that incorrect? |
| Princess_Luna #240010 1 year ago |
Jack, I didn't stop commenting! Lol.
There are just a lot more people here talking other than myself. |
| NE1 #240011 1 year ago |
Is the site really in manure? Seriously, Luna's idea of a dedicated user team to properly tag images is the best. Janitors man.
Also, it seems that pornographic/adult rated images are frequently tagged often enough as explicit and questionable so that people who don't want the porn don't have to see it. For those who want the porn, the dedicated users would tag images properly so that people can find the exact porn/nudity they want. As to what is proper tagging, there should probably be another thread or image or whatever opened to discuss what that is. |
| Anonymous #240013 1 year ago |
Transparency is key to trust in authority.
One post is not a reliable indicator of suitability. |
| Zincy #240014 1 year ago |
People are to lazy to do things on their own, things have to be enforced. Unlike ponys, we humans don't take the initiative well. |
| NE1 #240019 1 year ago |
wow, I said "frequently tagged often enough"
Ha ha I'M TIRED |
| Wrongness #240020 1 year ago |
NE1 just made me feel like Sweetie Belle. I blocked the tags but forgot to block the explicit rating. Wow major brain slip there. |
| Edef #240021 1 year ago |
In the most realistic manner, everything complained about here are small problems. Any porn image uploaded without initial tags will get tagged as porn fairly quickly. Having "dedicated" taggers won't make it happen any faster. There are already many measures in place for thin-skins to avoid content they don't like. The only major issue is that the same thin-skins for some reason refuse to use the filtering methods and instead resort to bitching by posting meta images. This problem will however die down with time. |
| Flaskgarg #240024 1 year ago |
I think I will look up porn, and start tagging them right now. |
| Princess_Luna #240029 1 year ago |
Edef, of course they are. But in an environment in which doesn't have any -major- problems... Solving the minor rough spots is all you can do. |
| Anonymous #240040 1 year ago |
also saying "It'll calm down!" as a certainty is premature.
We don't even have most of r34's porn yet, let alone e621/FA and...other places. I suspect many are dupes but really we've got at least a week before we should be seeing any kind of real downturn in the porn uploads, if indeed this is just a backlog rush and not an influx of new porn-based users(and a shedding of old users- we really needed time for people to be able to implement tag filtering before the porn was let loose). |
| Edef #240041 1 year ago |
@Luna
Then in that sense the only thing that could be done is acquiring more mods to delete the bitchposts, since nothing more can be done about the initially untagged images. The current system, with porn and nudity tags, is sufficient for naughty image segregation, people just need to be educated better as to the purpose of those tags. |
| NE1 #240042 1 year ago |
I agree Edef. You're right that tagging happens quick more often than not, and my push for a super team is unrealistic. Didn't think that through, sorry.
Still, some images do get passed up and sink into the site without proper tagging, which is what allows double posting, visible pornography, and lost images to occur. Can't there be some sort of scanning system implemented to make sure that doesn't happen? |
| Zincy #240043 1 year ago |
Well...its 3:13 here so i think i need to hit the hay. I also need to go work on a MLP/ Starship Troopers crossover fic that a recent pic inspired me to do. |
| Lockstep #240046 1 year ago |
@Luna: Is this a rough spot, though? More and more this is striking me as a solution to a problem that nobody is having. The rough spot is with the porn/gore in general as opposed to the regular content, not with the porn/gore being too difficult to sift through. |
| feather #240047 1 year ago |
IMO booru's work best when images are tagged for everything you might want to tag it for. Especially when porn gets involved as a user may want one fetish and not another.
not to suggest every image with Applejack should also be tagged "applejacks_hat". that would be silly. |
| Princess_Luna #240052 1 year ago |
A sensible person does not simply remove the problem. They solve them at their core, compromise, and make everyone happy.
I also agree. Tagging needs to happen. But... People are lazy so they don't want to. I tried dumbing it down to a simple Number-Definition correlation, but that didn't go so far. So instead... As NE1 has said before, Janitors! |
| NE1 #240053 1 year ago |
^ man, Gelbooru does stuff like "applejacks_hat", to the point where people would be tagging "hoof" |
| Lockstep #240054 1 year ago |
I do agree that a lot of images get passed over when it comes to proper tagging. I'd be happy to tag images that need it. This isn't, I think, a porn/gore-specific issue, though. |
| Edef #240055 1 year ago |
Dupes are based on the image's hash. If they share the same hash, the file will not allow you to upload it. This site is active enough that porn images wont slip through untagged, especially since everyone with the porn filter on will see it, then go to tag it. |
| feather #240056 1 year ago |
#240042 not removing the "tagme" tag when adding one or two tags for example |
| NE1 #240058 1 year ago |
Meant that at feather, not princess Luna |
| Jackarunda #240059 1 year ago |
Edef#240021
That's not true. I see alot of images that go all the way through the first page without ever being tagged. I check the first page all the time, and I go backwards as far as I need to in order to make sure I've seen everything that's been posted since last time I checked. Given the fact that I see many images multiple times before they ever even go onto the second page, I guarantee you that I could make a considerable difference in the speed with which things are tagged. |
| Edef #240062 1 year ago |
@Jack
I was only referring to porn and gore tags, and as far as I know, no explicit images slipped through without those tags. As for all other general tags, it's not too large of an issue, mildy annoying, at worst. |
| NE1 #240063 1 year ago |
I accidentally uploaded a dupe the other day (vague terminology, SOME TIME AGO). The image wasn't an exact copy. Size difference. Didn't make it any less a dupe if you ask me, but I'm sure people would argue the whole high res vs. low res thing. |
| Edef #240067 1 year ago |
If you have a higher res version, hell, upload it. I'd much rather have the higher res than I would the lower res. |
| Wrongness #240068 1 year ago |
I do the same as jack I have literally seen at least the thumbs for every pic on the site because I keep Ponibooru up and refresh it every now and then so I don't miss anything. Pics do get overlooked all the time sometimes for as long as an hour. |
| Princess_Luna #240070 1 year ago |
So...
It's agreed? We simply need a solid tagging group? |
| NE1 #240071 1 year ago |
It was my bad. It was a lower res and I couldn't find the higher res image already on the site, but that's because the artist wasn't tagged on the first post. |
| Zincy #240077 1 year ago |
I checked back on for a sec before i call it a night. I agree with luna, tagging group is the next best thing to new mods |
| Lockstep #240082 1 year ago |
Now we're on track to solving a real problem: tagging. Every time I go through the images I'll just look for ones without sufficient tags and put 'em in. This will be a lot easier now that we aren't getting the long loads and Derpy error pages. |
| Edef #240085 1 year ago |
A "solid tagging group" would really only be a bunch of good someritans who take some time to tag some images. |
| feather #240087 1 year ago |
#240070 it is one of several things we need, yes.
add the tag "meme" to the memes while you're at it so people can filter them out, too . . . |
| NE1 #240090 1 year ago |
Yeah, I don't know what a good idea is after reading what everyone has to say.
I like the idea of the tagging group, and if people want to make it a vigilante group action, just as a good service to the site, then they should do it. If everything is tagged properly as Edef says, then I'm sure a tagging group can only help/super improve the situation. I can't really help except when I spot an issue (I'm not on often enough). |
| Princess_Luna #240091 1 year ago |
Well, as far as the rules go, We users should be tagging to begin with. If a bunch of good someritans is what it takes... then so be it. There really isn't a definite -need- to have more mods, even if it would still be beneficial. |
| Edef #240092 1 year ago |
Can I get official confirmation that the porn and nudity tags work the the way I assume they do? |
| Anonymous #240094 1 year ago |
I'm still getting some pretty amazing load times. |
| Zincy #240095 1 year ago |
I'm on pretty often and can fix up tags when i see em. |
| Flaskgarg #240097 1 year ago |
So, I should be on the look out for memes?
Got it. |
| Zincy #240103 1 year ago |
So if i get this right. We all need to band together and tag stuff proper so people who are to lazy to do it themselfs don't have to see stuff they don't want to? Igt, easy enough. |
| Lockstep #240104 1 year ago |
The only need for a "group" would be for going through the backlogs. Assigning someone to, say, pages 100-200, 200-300, etc. |
| NE1 #240105 1 year ago |
As continuation to my last post, some posters on here I can tell are so hardcore at tagging that, should they band together, they could easily handle a meme war. |
| Princess_Luna #240109 1 year ago |
Then lets stop theorizing this guys! Lets actually make this happen! We already have the ability to tag and work together. We don't need mod powers to do that much. |
| Zincy #240110 1 year ago |
O god...meme wars. |
| Wrongness #240113 1 year ago |
I love that we can discuss our issues civilly and I love throwing my little tidbits in there. But I have to sleep now. Goodnight Bronies keep rocking Love and Tolerance and I will see you tomorrow.
And someone let me know if y'all come up with something =p |
| Zincy #240119 1 year ago |
Aye! Ok, when i'm on i shall be on the look out for tagsmes (I have all my filters off so i will ses porn straight away...plus i fav most of it anyway) and will to my part to tag. |
| Edef #240120 1 year ago |
In the end this post turned out surprisingly reasonable. Initially I expected a lot complaints about porn and gore. |
| Anonymous #240121 1 year ago |
No, you should be tagging stuff properly so you can find it later if you like, and so that the entire purpose of having the content filters isn't made irrelevant.
People that filter are not your enemy and you should not be so quick to disparage them in such a dishonest way. |
| Flaskgarg #240125 1 year ago |
Meme wars are easy to tag bro. |
| Zincy #240126 1 year ago |
A little humor is lost on you 121. I guess i should blame the time, its pretty late. |
| Princess_Luna #240127 1 year ago |
@#240121
That's the thing. People haven't. So now we are! Simple as that. |
| Zincy #240128 1 year ago |
Easy to tag, annoying to deal with and look at. |
| Flaskgarg #240131 1 year ago |
Ugh, tagme's...
lazy_uploader tag for the win! |
| Princess_Luna #240135 1 year ago |
Alright, well it really is late. I've done my best to see this through. Come tomorrow when we're all fresh, we can get back into this and try to get a group together and maybe start tagging. |
| NE1 #240136 1 year ago |
@Flaskgarg, alright then! I don't know, I'm sub par at tagging procedures.
Okay, I'm just saying crap now. I should be going too. I'm in Zincy's time zone, so it's...it's not right that I'm awake right now. I just want you to know that I think you're all very intelligent and considerate people taking the time to discuss all this in a civilized manner. Yep. K, night. |
| Lockstep #240137 1 year ago |
I have porn filtered, so I'd definitely tag it if I saw it. |
| Edef #240139 1 year ago |
^ You're missing out |
| Zincy #240142 1 year ago |
While I'm not on often enough to be in a dedicated tag group. I can check and root around when i am and tag what needs to be. Well fillys and colts, this ponys about to pass out so I'm hitting the hay. (1, 2,3,4,5,6 pony jokes in one statement MUHAHAH) |
| Jackarunda #240143 1 year ago |
Ooh! Ooh! I want to be in the official tagging group if there is one
Also, looking at the first page it seems evident that some people have gotten on this already! I love everything |
| Anonymous #240145 1 year ago |
Why does there need to be a special group?
Tag images. Done. |
| Flaskgarg #240146 1 year ago |
I'm on 24/7 basically.
I could be in a tag group. North American East Coast Tag Patrol! |
| your_waifu #240154 1 year ago |
ib4 jackarunda tags all gay pictures "abomination"
i kid, i kid :P |
| Jackarunda #240159 1 year ago |
@Flaskgarg#240146
But I live in the southwest ._. lol I know! We could be the Tag Team hehehehehehehhee *shot* |
| Kooner #240161 1 year ago |
Hmm i like this idea.
Am here maybe like 24/6 + Let's join the group! |
| Anonymous #240168 1 year ago |
just try not to become a clique, okay? |
| Lockstep #240510 1 year ago |
QUESTION: What is the appropriate tag for pony genitals? 'Nudity' applies to humanizations, but the pony "nude" isn't necessarily 'porn,' is it? |
| Anonymous #241154 1 year ago |
consider that actual pony nudity does not have those features.
then laugh as you realize the only useful method would be adding a "pony genitals" tag, and this is now a furry site. |
| Eco #241407 1 year ago |
Hi, I'm awake. This is a huge thread to go back through, can someone give me the cliffs notes?
Things I noticed to respond to: There are two mods other than myself: feather and redweasel. I chose them as candidates on the grounds that they were long-standing members who didn't run around putting their opinions in everyone's face; I then vetted them by talking to them over PM about their opinions on what Ponibooru "should" be. The nudity tag - the reason it's written the way it is is that on ponies drawn on-model there's nothing to cover up. So it only really matters that they're naked if there's something there. Maybe there's a better name for this concept. I dunno. I fully support a community team dedicated to maintaining the tags. If I can add features that will help you do your stuff, just let me know. Please remember that if you see an image missing one of the obligatory tags, to report it; otherwise we can't enforce the rules against the people who didn't tag it in the first place. Would a link on the upload page to a "tag guide" be useful? |
| Eco #241410 1 year ago |
(To clarify the clarification: my intent was for "nudity" to cover naked humans, and also cover nonhumans in the case that privates were actually drawn on.) |
| Kooner #241429 1 year ago |
@Eco
But what if someone just delete the tag's ? (cause some ppl dont wan't the stuff here) I uploaded several pic with tag's and everything , but after a hour when i came back they were are replaced with - deleteme ... It was really annoying to put all the tags back. And i think that only the poster or at least a another registred member can change them and not everyone. |
| Eco #241450 1 year ago |
If someone deletes the tags, it shows up in the log. Tell me which images they were; I'll have words with whoever wiped the tags out. |
| Kooner #241466 1 year ago |
@Eco
Well they were deleted on every 34. |
| Eco #241489 1 year ago |
Found it. Looks like the person was replacing with "deleteme porn" generally, which dropped the nudity tag where it was present.
It looks like they didn't realize the rules had changed, so I let them off with a warning. If it happens again, they'll be getting some moon time. |
| NE1 #241497 1 year ago |
What you need to do is lock the image as soon as all the proper tags are in place. If the tag team or moderator can do this, then people with stubborn opinions can't change it.
and if someone disagrees about the proper tagging on the image after it has been locked, they can report it, and should the moderators decide that their complaint is sound, the new tags they requested can be added. |
| Kooner #241498 1 year ago |
@Eco - Thanks Eco , thanks. |
| Edef #241539 1 year ago |
So, my interpretation between porn and nudity is correct, yes? A tag guide or blotter message to solidify that would be nice. |
| Eco #241647 1 year ago |
I've clarified the rules, hopefully. Will work on a tag guide later. |
| Anonymous #241718 1 year ago |
Will you admit that not giving realistic, site-wide advanced notice of the new rules and the importance of tagging was a mistake? |
| Anonymous #241889 1 year ago |
Uhm... Would it be possible to get a list of common tags at the upload screen, which we could just check off?
Hey, I'm lazy and this would improve on the work of typing. (also it would stansdardize tagging a bit) One could still add individual tags. Submissions would only go through if some tags are checked. Another idea: Tag groups - if you check one, the other(s) can't be checked. Like: [x]clean art [ ]porn or [ ]original drawn artwork [x]other (like memes etc) (In this case, each availlable tag-group needs to be checked somewhere for the submission to go through) How about tag approval. Once an image is submitted (and thus tagged), additional tags need to be approved by a mod - or at least a few (I don't know - maybe 5) other people* before becoming effective. After a week or so, tags could be frozen (with mods still able to alter them if needed) to prevent vandalism. *aka: Here's a new proposed tag: [tag_in_question] Vote it up or down to approve/disapprove it. (once it has the right count of votes, it'll disappear or get added to the tags) Okay. That's all from me right now. Have a nice day. Hope this'll help some. Also: Thank you for all your hard work, Eco and friends! |
| Eco #242493 1 year ago |
@241718: Yeah, that was probably a mistake.
@241889: Incorporating common tags into the upload screen like this is an interesting idea. I'll think it over. |
| Anonymous #242669 1 year ago |
That's what I wanted to hear. Well, and "we won't be doing something like that again" but I think that can just be assumed |
| Anonymous #261726 1 year ago |
Holy crap, a whole week goes by and NOW I find this?
BTW, Luna? Could you provide detailed examples of the different ratings? Like, what would fall into which category, and the like? Thanks. -Mr. Keyblade-&-TARDIS P.S. Still waiting for you to say if I should get an account. |
| Anonymous #261811 1 year ago |
^ (Same anon)
(Addendum) Or, if I should sign my posts. I should say that, if I do that, I won't use the sig "Mr. Keyblade-&-TARDIS" (I have a name, y'know), that was just so you would know that it's me. |