
| Anonymous #530059 9 months ago |
don't take that shit Frederic! Go back and get her, jesus you're stupid. |
| Anonymous #530064 9 months ago |
This calls for a song-off between Vinyl and Frederic, for the fair Octavia's heart. |
| Anonymous #530076 9 months ago |
Jesus this fandom... Octavia and Vinyl have like... no reason to be shipped.
I mean for fucks sake Frederic and Octavia are in the same band together, its show canon. I believe that the fandom is pretty much a bunch of sexually repressed males who have fallen so far that they can NEVER see themselves with a female. In this reality world, they ship female to female, because, if they can't have them, no other male can. It's primal, but it's the only solution I can think of. |
| Anonymous #530078 9 months ago |
*Fantasy* world. Not reality. |
| Anonymous #530090 9 months ago |
^^ I know there's almost zero change of me getting this to work, but just for you I'll try...
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| Anonymous #530096 9 months ago |
Awww... poor Frederic ='( |
| Anonymous #530101 9 months ago |
No. I'm satisfied that I've found the answer to a puzzle that has been bothering me for awhile. |
| Jaskobs #530103 9 months ago |
how modest! |
| Shjips #530108 9 months ago |
@ 530076
And here I thought I was the only one who thought this. I always support OctaviaxFrederic |
| Edudls #530112 9 months ago |
Pfff. You guys gotta stop viewing shipping so one dimensionally. Besides, arguing over shipping is pointless. No ship is better than any other until it's made canon. |
| Edudls #530124 9 months ago |
And 0076, just because they work together doesn't mean there's anything going on.
Also, if not for that last sentence, one could misconstrue that whole thing for a well worded trolling attempt... |
| Shjips #530127 9 months ago |
^Edudls
Dude, there are lots of people who have a narrow view of shipping and people who argue over it all the time. There were threads on Ponychan trying to prove PinkieDash was canon, there are people who flat out think hetero pairings are stupid, there are people who can't think of Caramel as anything but gay based on little to no evidence. Go tell those people to calm the fuck down. |
| Anonymous #530128 9 months ago |
I agree that getting upset over shipping can be a little ridiculous at times but the argument is really more against the trend for every brony to ship every mare in the MLP canon with every other mare and just ignoring the stallions.
F/F shipping is fine... but the entire community is pretty much F/F with a few extremely rare exceptions. Personally speaking, I find that a little ridiculous in itself |
| kaoskirin #530142 9 months ago |
hey i resent that remark anon3 im female and still do femshipping
just watch this be posted after 15 comments. damn laggy laptop |
| Shjips #530144 9 months ago |
^^Come now Edudls, difference of opinion =/= trolling.
"because they work together doesn't mean there's anything going on" The same could be said for Lyra & BonBon, just because they're standing together, doesn't mean there's something going on and yet people still choose to interpret it that way. |
| Anonymous #530151 9 months ago |
I dont think people think femshipping is inherently bad... but it's gotten pretty overboard with this community... |
| Anonymous #530355 9 months ago |
Edudls, the problem is that when a ship attracts a large enough crowd they eventually start going after people who don't share their ship, regardless of which one 'makes more sense'. It happens in every other fandom, it will undoubtably happen in this one. If the guy who made this tumblr tried to approach this situation in another way, he'd likely be inundated with comments like 'STAY AWAY FROM SCRATCHS GIRL'. Not that she actually is her girl, but having that big crowd of people who share your ship emboldens you to think you're right.
If people made the effort they could find hetero and even boy/boy ships in this show, but with maybe the exception of Fluttermac they only seem interested in girl/girl--and from my experience in other fandoms where I've witnessed self-flagellation and anti-male diatribes I do think there is something to 076's claim. |
| zeyro #530494 9 months ago |
It seems more like the problem is that people care about other's opinions instead of their own. Other than Mrs. Cake x Mr. Cake, Twilight's Mom x Twilight's Dad, Pinkie's Mom x Pinkie's Dad and a possibly a few others, there's nothing that's right or wrong when it's all unofficial and non-canon anyway.
If you want to look at it another way, it's all technically wrong, so why does it matter? Like someone else said, take it all out of "canon" universe and place them all in their own separate fan-canon universes. Awfully confusing sometimes, but at least it isn't arguing. If someone else thinks this Octavia & Scratch is better, that's their thing. I personally like them, but that's because I've read fiction (non-shipping and otherwise) that makes me see them as likable together. I can't say anything about certain people forcing certain ships down other's throats, but ignoring them seems like a better option or telling them why their wrong. Either way getting mad about it doesn't really seem like it helps anyone and just makes you mad and the other person want to agree with you less. TL;DR It's all non-canon so just ignore what you don't like and enjoy what you do. Ignore those who try to push their shipping on you just like you would one pushing their religion on yours and you're all good. |
| Jackarunda #531041 9 months ago |
--> I agree with this thread |
| Glamador #531055 9 months ago |
I prefer not to go the "it doesn't matter so leave it alone" route and actually argue the points Anon3 has made. Feels like a copout to me.
The TaviXVinyl ship didn't come about immediately, it came about over time. Some Ask blogs and comics portrayed the only two musical characters in the show as butting heads with each other for the obvious reason that they don't share the same tastes in music. And what comes naturally from ponies butting heads? Aside from brain damage? Why angry sex of course! That's what started all this, it wasn't for "no reason" there's a very clear reasoning behind it. Not necessarily good reasoning, but it does exist, it's not nonsense. As for sexual repression, I can't speak for anypony but myself in that regard but the reason I prefer F/F shipping is because I have what might be a pathological hatred of men. I like feminine pairing because females just seem more tender and caring and capable of loving (I realize that's a completely assailable position don't try and argue against it b/c I already know, I said it was almost a sickness). I don't like the stallions, so I don't like to see them hooking up with characters I do like. Perhaps it's a jealousy thing like you said, but it's not anything sinister. And that sentiment doesn't preclude my ever being in a relationship with a "female" as you put it. But beyond that, there's the obvious reason that *stallions are a rarity in Equestria*. How many males have even a FANON personality? Frederick here is nowhere near as developed as Tavi or Vinyl in the overall scheme of fan personalities. The only males that even come close to being "popular" in the fandom are Braeburn, Caramel and Big Mac. CaramelXTwilight is an established ship and so are Fluttermac, BigMacXRarity, BraeburnXApplejack, BraeburnXCarrotTop, and BigMacXCaramel. It's not that there are no M/F or M/M shippings it's just that *there are no males to ship with*. 3, maybe 4 stallions versus a UNIVERSE of mares. Care to present a counter-argument? Or was that just a fire-and-forget comment to stir up trouble? |
| Anonymous #531177 9 months ago |
Lol, 3 or 4 stallions only?! Oh for crying out loud, that was freaking hilarious! Seriously, that's an excuse I accepted months ago when I started watching this show, because sincerely, there weren't many stallions back then; but after Sonic Rainboom aired, the amount of stallions increased considerably (probably there aren't many stallions on ponyville, but so far, Cloudsdale, Manehattan and Canterlot have a considerably amount of male ponies) The only reason Frederic (and other male bg ponies) isn't as well fan developed as other bg ponies is because practically no one pays attention to him (because you guys only pay attention to them mares), so that's not a reason to ignore other male bg ponies and just ship the most overrated ones. And I honestly mean no offense in this, but your reason for hating m/f shipping is stupid "oh, I don't like stallions, and I really hate seeing creatures I don't like shipped with characters I like"
The OctaviaxVinyl ship craze originated from the fanfic "The Vinyl Scratch Tapes" if I remember correctly; after that one, the couple was shipped nonstop. And also, the reason some people state above it's true, even with the whole djxcontrabellist shipping craze, one must admit that actually, FredericxOctavia would make more sense, since they appeared together in the show, therefore, there is a possibility that they are acquainted somehow, whereas Vinyl and Octavia were shipped because of a fanfiction; come on... |
| SilkGarrote #531183 9 months ago |
There's also a lot of images of Octavia and Vinyl together as foals. I kind of like 'reconnected childhood friends'.
VERY reconnected. |
| Anonymous #531184 9 months ago |
Also, I'm glad to see more people thinking that the whole F/F shipping has gone way overboard with this fandom. It's true, I'm pretty sure almost no one (myself included) have nothing wrong against F/F shipping (FluttershyxRarity is one of my favorites ship couples), but the insane amount of them in this community can actually get pretty annoying. |
| Anonymous #531193 9 months ago |
Again, fanwork. The whole quartet have more probabilities of being acquainted since foals than Vinyl and Octavia (even when the latter sounds kind of funny, but still not enough)
People can portrait the bg chars how they see fit, but just not bash other people's work/opinions (I've seen Tavi*Frederic [OR any other pony] shipped together, and people go full retarded mode like "durrrr, Tavi belongs to Scratch hurr..." |
| SilkGarrote #531198 9 months ago |
This just in; people go full retard on the internet all the time. Why do we even still talk about it? |
| Shjips #531217 9 months ago |
^Because it's amusing to point and laugh at them. |
| Anonymous #531218 9 months ago |
Well, that was more like an offence to regular people who tend to do that but yes, that is true. |
| Glamador #531489 9 months ago |
OK, let's list a few of the other possible shippable stallions from Manehatten, The Gala, and Cloudsdale.
The 3 pegasus bullies: They're a caricature of jocks everywhere and the only mares fit for jocks are bimbos. There are few bimbos and nobody wants to ship mature mares with characters that are such blatant imbeciles. Mr. Orange: Already married, but I suppose that doesn't preclude an affair. Various background ponies from the Gala/Manehatten dinner party: I can't claim "they're only background ponies" because that's never stopped us before. But as far as personalities for BG ponies go we tend to only pick the ones that stand out in some way. You see equally few pairings involving any of the posh mares from those parties either. Tavi is only different because her appearance is so unique. Sheriff Silverstar: Actually...this is a good idea and I don't know why we don't see more with this guyl There are quite a few stallions around ponyville even, like the tennis player or artist from 'Call of the Cutie'. But the point is that none of these characters have been adopted by the fanbase at large and given personalities. You have to have a personality before you can be shipped or you might as well be a freakin' OC and we all know how much the fandom hates those. The ball is still in your court Anon3, which stallions do YOU think are viable shipping partners? Because I stand by what I said before, very few stallions have enough clout in the community to be shipped with anyone. You may be right that the fandom only pays attention to mares because they're female, but the causes for that are different and for the sake of the F/F shipping argument you somewhat need to just accept that as fact. You may attack it as a separate issue if you like, but you've already admitted it as a serious contributing factor to the prevalence of F/F shipping. And if you really want the F/F shipping to stop, I suggest you write a popular fanfiction involving some male characters. That'll fix the problem right quick I promise you. As to my "I don't like to see characters I don't like shipped with characters I do" argument, it is not a silly line of reasoning. You get angry when your best friend dates a complete bitch or total misogynist IRL do'nt you? It's the same in Bronidom. Nobody will ever ship a character they don't care for. |
| Anonymous #531569 9 months ago |
Wait a second dear, when did I say I wanted the F/F shipping to stop? As far as I know, I never did, and I quote [post #531184]: "I'm pretty sure almost no one (myself included) have nothing wrong against F/F shipping (FluttershyxRarity is one of my favorites ship couples), but the insane amount of them in this community can actually get pretty annoying."
Also: "You get angry when your best friend dates a complete bitch or total misogynist IRL do'nt you? It's the same in Bronidom. Nobody will ever ship a character they don't care for." And more luls, and stupid reasoning; of course no one likes to ship a character they like with one they hate (I'd never ship Rarity with Berry, for example [I hate Berry]) but you said in your previous post, once again I quote: "I don't like the stallions, so I don't like to see them hooking up with characters I do like." Let me tell you what's wrong with those statements: Is not that you dislike a particular stallion, you dislike them all, so that makes it even more stupid, therefore, that example doesn't even compare to your reason to dislike m/f shipping. I still find it rather stupid (you failed to convince me otherwise). Any stallion AND any mare can be viable shipping partners as long as there is an artist/author out there who give them convenient personalities to fit their fan art/fiction. As far as I know, neither characters such as Vinyl, Doctor Hooves, or even Octavia herself have had personalities shown in the show, yet people keep shipping these character. I ask you, why? Simple: they deduce what would be a fitting personality and jsut work with that; seems to have worked with these characters quite well, don't you think? |
| Edudls #531751 9 months ago |
Jesus. This discussion. It's still happening.
Anon, I don't think Glamador was ever trying to use his stallion hate as an actual argument, and he's admitted that that's really only a thing with him. It's not really relevant to this discussion on anything above a personal level. I do have to agree that there is quite a bit of F/F shipping. However, that comment in your first post was completely uncalled for, and was about as much of a psychological analysis as people calling bronies a bunch of jobless manchildren. I think that post could have gone over better without that comment. ANYWAY, this fandom has proven that any ship can be made at any time. Relation, age, and gender are no barrier, so it basically boils down to who's been seen with who most often, similarities in talents, and similarities in canon/fanon personalities. List of random opinions/thoughts that may or may not be relevant to each other: I personally ship a lot of M/F and F/F. The point about the male/female ratio is not invalid, just count them and I can assure you there's at least a 2:1 ratio. We ignore as many mares as we do colts, but since there are so many more mares than colts, it excludes a much larger proportion of colts than it does mares. Sheriff Silverstar does deserve to be shipped. There are certain ships which are more of an excuse to draw clopart than anything, and aren't ever really developed. Beauty Brass was ignored right along with the other two colts in the band. |
| Anonymous #531902 9 months ago |
Ehm no, that first comment was not mine; I started posting with # 531117 |
| Glamador #532032 9 months ago |
@531902 It's difficult to keep anonymous comments straight.
Anyways, yes, my hatred of stallions is 100% personal, it is why I as an individual usually only ship females in all fandoms, not just this one (with some exceptions). In fact I prefaced my original reasoning with "I can't speak for anypony but myself...". It's always good to hear another pony's personal reasoning since it gives valuable insight in future encounters, so I offered my thoughts. That you consider that "stupid" speaks to your inability to make the appropriate connection between my words and their meaning. Which is, in fact, stupidity. (I don't mean to trade insults, but you started it) However, the personal nature of that text doesn't affect the validity of my later assertion that disliked characters aren't often shipped. My paragraphs all tie into one another in the following way: Lack of males + like of females -> Low # of stallions with fanon personalities -> Stallions generally less popular and well-liked overall Shipping between unpopular characters is also unpopular -> Low # of M/F and M/M shipping opportunities -> Over-saturation of F/F pairings I once again proffer the solution of some talented writer producing a stallion-centric fanfic/fanart-series/ask-blog to increase the pool of viable male characters. Also, if you read my post carefully, I never assert that you dislike F/F pairings, the discussion has never been about that. This is about the disproportionate # of F/F to M/F or M/M pairings. |
| furujiru #532411 9 months ago |
I'm going to save this just for the comments XD |
| Anonymous #532464 9 months ago |
THE HUMAN IMAGINATION IS LIMITLESS! |
| Anonymous #532750 9 months ago |
I've known it was personal all along, I never stated it was a general thing.
"I don't mean to trade insults, but you started it" d'aww, how adorable; if you reread what I posted, I never called you stupid, I just thought your reason for disliking most m/f shippings was stupid; that hardly compares to calling you stupid, but go ahead, I don't mind your insulting at all, to be honest. "Also, if you read my post carefully, I never assert that you dislike F/F pairings" T'is what I said: "when did I say I wanted the F/F shipping to stop?" and originated because of this: "And if you really want the F/F shipping to stop, I suggest you write a popular fanfiction involving some male characters. " Also, regarding this: "I once again proffer the solution of some talented writer producing a stallion-centric fanfic/fanart-series/ask-blog to increase the pool of viable male characters. " but sadly, that's exactly it, no matter how many fanfiction/fanart/ask-blogs pop up (especially, no matter how good they are) no one is going to pay attention to those because "ew, straight shipping" and stuff like that. I'm sure most people don't even bother drawing/writting about those characters because the fandom simply won't pay attention to them, they're too busy shipping Pinkie and Dash together. |
| Anonymous #532756 9 months ago |
Also, this is the last post I'm making regarding this issue; it's sad that 90% of the comments don't even talk about the picture uploaded at all... |
| Anonymous #532834 9 months ago |
@2750
yeah, unfortunately the 'ew, straight shipping' stigma is going to persist and keep on persisting. It's wore down only a little bit, given the recent surges in the popularity of FlutterMac and the recent popularity in CaraLight. Next time an overtly nice male character appears, I will do my best to promote art/fanon being made of the guy and get him shipped with the most eligible female he's around/fanon compatible with. |
| Anonymous #532844 9 months ago |
@2756
Alright, Frederic needs to pony up and go be with the mare he pines for. |
| Anonymous #533464 9 months ago |
2834: Alright then, since he somehow hasn't been mentioned among the eligible males anywhere in this thread yet, let's ship the hell out of Soarin' with Rainbow Dash. Hell, I already do. |
| Glamador #533539 9 months ago |
So now we're asserting that there's a "stigma" attached to anything but F/F shipping? I didn't get that vibe from the previous comments at all.
And to be frank, I completely disagree. I firmly believe that the greatest contributing factor to over-saturation of F/F shipping is the overall lack of viable males. Increase the # of stallions w/ fanon personalities and increase the # of M/F ships. Period. If anyone actually thinks F/F ships are the ONLY viable ones then...well, perhaps there is something wrong with them. |
| Shjips #534462 9 months ago |
^
Glamador, in case you didn't notice, in nearly every M/F pic on this site there's always a comment that takes the form of 'ew straight' in one way or another. It doesn't have to do with these comments, it's just how it is in this fandom regardless of whether or not the M/F ship actually works. And yes, I have witnessed people claiming that ALL M/F ships are terrible. There are alot of them. |
| SPARTAN #537106 9 months ago |
GUYS!!!!!
Look at yourselves, and look what you're typing! Now live and let live, come to a truce, I don't care. Just Shut up and Grow up! |
| Anonymous #537751 9 months ago |
^PONIES ARE SERIOUS BUSINESS, ASSHOLE! |
| Nitro836 #900357 5 months ago |
lol shipping
Any "ship pairs" in the show are actually this; http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HeterosexualLifePartners |