
| Gittonsxv #495041 10 months ago |
o-o this kind of fucked up |
| Anon_pony #495055 10 months ago |
Now she's a Transpony(Transhuman)! |
| Geldon #495060 10 months ago |
Yeah, yeah, I get it. I can see what The_Weaver was going for here, "Chaos Reigns" = "Okay, here's what would happen if Discord was a whole lot eviller and wins."
But this isn't chaos reigning. This is a very specific kind of order. The kind involving completely obliterating the fabric of everyone who dares express a contrary statement. I swear, this series has ruined my day quite effectively. And it shouldn't, because it's isolated fannon. But it's not the fanwork itself that bothers me so much as seeing this statement of, "the way to win is to rape and torture your female protagonist until she is broken to your will." That's not funny. It's something you tell someone to upset them. I will say that Discord'd Twilight Sparkle looks cool, even if I don't particularly like how she got that way. |
| Anonymous #495091 10 months ago |
Wait, someone said this was a three parter or something... Is this how it ends? That was a it anti-climatic... |
| Gittonsxv #495094 10 months ago |
geldon, i agree with in ways |
| Anonymous #495117 10 months ago |
Fuck, man. I love this. ALL THE WAY. |
| Anonymous #495119 10 months ago |
I am dissapoint!
It was, like they had 6 episodes and put it into a nutshell. They speedrushed it. So much potential got lost. But the end topped it all! It was lame! There is no excuse. It wasn't epic. Just lame! Worst episode so far! |
| Geldon #495141 10 months ago |
I'm probably going to spend the majority of the rest of the day brooding over the apparent injustice I've seen portrayed in a fanwork comic. Which is silly: if anything, I should thank all drawponies for contributing however they feel they should. I do hope to see some kind of closure that doesn't look like the story was written the day the dog died. |
| GlitterGlue #495144 10 months ago |
@Geldon when a villain in a movie murders someone to further their evil plan, and it works, do you take that to mean that the film's writer condones murder?
@495119 go back to ponychan and cry about it there, this isn't the place for that |
| Geldon #495157 10 months ago |
@495144
I do when the story ends on a note that this is how you're supposed to win. This is why villains are usually defeated. Even in the stories when they're not defeated by anyone else, they usually defeat themselves. And when neither scenario occurs, most readers will go, "WTF kind of message is this story trying to tell me?" Because stories either have messages or they have no point. |
| GlitterGlue #495201 10 months ago |
No one said anything about "supposed to".
Lots of stories have bad ends. That doesn't mean they condone cruelty. |
| Geldon #495228 10 months ago |
@#495201
That this is a bad end has nothing to do with why it's condoning cruelty. Even in the stories with bad, tragic ends, there's usually some message there that makes sense to the reader. What's the message here? Read what what we have so far and you tell me. What I'm interpreting is completely senseless. |
| GlitterGlue #495279 10 months ago |
>What I'm interpreting is completely senseless.
And after all What fun is there in making sense? |
| Geldon #495313 10 months ago |
Translation of #495279: I have no idea what Chaos Reigns is about, I just wanted to argue. But to answer this apparent, "Discord rules therefore I win," bullshit:
Ever tried to have fun but failed because it just didn't make sense? It happens. It's because fun is a process of successful flow brought about by intellectual engagement in something, and it's pretty damn hard to get intellectually engaged when you can't make sense of what you're doing. (Unless you're stoned out of your mind, but that's not fun you're having so much as a suppression of your senses.) In case it's not clear, I'm giving The_Weaver the benefit of the doubt that he knows that and what we're seeing here is just a hint panel of what he's working on. And I hope he does. Because all my whining clearly indicates I'm very much engaged in what he's making here. |
| personage #495354 10 months ago |
Geldon, GlitterGlue IS The_Weaver. |
| Geldon #495400 10 months ago |
The possibility actually occurred to me, but then I remembered he actually had an account called the_weaver. What happened to that?
Franky, I respect the creative process. It's your baby, you can leave it this way if you want, even if I hate the message you're conveying. Which, if you want one brony's opinion, goes something like this: "If Discord was not at all kid-friendly, then he could just hold down Twilight and rape and torture the fuck out of her until her brain completely breaks. Then she'll be completely on his side because women like being raped and tortured if you do it enough." Because that's what I picked up so far. Do something about that or not, again, that's your artistic license. |
| GlitterGlue #495466 10 months ago |
This is not "what Discord would really be like". This is a crueler, sadistic take, not a "realistic" one.
You're reading too much into it. It's just a Bad End comic. People are broken down. Good fails, evil wins, chaos reigns. also who keeps removing the goddamn tags off this thing stop doing it |
| Geldon #495533 10 months ago |
I haven't been touching your tags, if you're wondering.
I don't think what bothered me had to do with your choice of take, so much as when I connected the dots of what I was reading. >>62654 Twilight being raped while her cries fall on deaf eats. Oh, that's sad, but i can respect that as a reflection of the tragedy of the evil Discord at work. >>62695 Basically just a connection to the previous thing, sadness is increased because her spirit is broken. >>62722 Okay, now Twilight Sparkle is apparently on his fucking side after what was done to her. Even if you throw "evil magic" into the mix, it conveys a powerful message of, "rape/torture brings women around to your side" is established. Rage. Desire for comeuppance. Honestly, I don't hate you, you can do whatever you want. But, speaking as a writebrony myself, it gets my artistic temperament up in a dander that this would be the story as written. Partly because all you've done here is set up a massively potent conflict in need of resolution. |
| GlitterGlue #495561 10 months ago |
She's been broken down, man. That shit happens in real life without the use of magic. |
| Geldon #495591 10 months ago |
Even if I were to buy this was some kind of advanced Stockholm Syndrome, it still makes for a lousy story. I mean, here's the story you've told here:
One day, Sally was captured by Stan. Stan hated Sally, so he raped and tortured the fuck out of her until she had no will to resist him. When her friends came to save her, she was so far gone that she resisted their attempts to do so. The End. Now, assuming you haven't written that story, how are you going to feel about the writer of it? You might say, "Interesting." if you're really charitable. But most people are going to tell you, "This story sucks," and God help you if Sally happens to be a character beloved by a massive Internet fandom. |
| Geldon #495632 10 months ago |
I mean, I'm assuming you're a brony yourself. Do you really want to leave [strikethru]Sally[/strikethru] Twlight Sparkle hanging like that? You could, if you have a point to make, but I'm not entirely sure what that point would be other than, "If Discord was a hell of a lot more evil, he would have won, because evil wins." |
| GlitterGlue #495635 10 months ago |
Your complaint seems to be that it doesn't have a happy ending, more than anything.
Stan and Sally seems to be a very tragic story. It's dark. There's no poetic justice, no karmic retribution. But it's a story that happens all the time. Sometimes there are no happy endings. |
| Geldon #495661 10 months ago |
I think maybe you've been missing the point of a lot of the sad ending stories you've been reading. Usually, they'll have some deep meaning, even if that meaning is, "It's a terrible tragedy children should die so young, and we should pay more attention to that!" But the way you're telling it here, it's more like, "One day, a villain killed some children, and that is how he won the game." And that's a story you tell somebody when you want to get punched for being a jerk, amirite? |
| Geldon #495691 10 months ago |
Lets say, for example, we have this ending:
* Celestia arrives, Twilight Sparkle resists her, Discord gloats that he has her favorite student. * Celestia regards him coldly. Tells him that he does not have her student, merely an empty shell. Then she mocks him back, telling him that for a spirit of chaos, he has enforced order to a far greater degree than she ever would have. * Discord mocks Celestia, telling her that he is the master of Equestria now. She leaves (or he kills her). He laughs - he knows who the *real* master of Chaos is. * It's then that he notices a glowing horn protruding through his chest through his back, directly through his heart. He topples over, dead. * The corrupted Twilight Sparkle looks down at the dead Discord and mocks him. Yes, indeed, she knows who the real master of chaos is. And it is she. It's still a sad ending, Twilight Sparkle is gone, and apparently an unabashed murderess as well. But we have a point: tyranny begets only tyranny. It also sort of defeats that pesky point that rape and torture is how you win the game because, in the end, Discord lost. |
| GlitterGlue #495702 10 months ago |
I'm sorry, I don't recall saying THIS was the ending. |
| Geldon #495740 10 months ago |
Well, alright, had you said you're not done yet, I would have left it right there, but I understand if you didn't want to show your cards. :P |
| Anonymous #495964 10 months ago |
I love, and I mean love, when random internetites actually become -personally harmed- in some way shape or form by a drawn portrait of a grim situation. Suffice to say, the world is not pretty, the world is not kind, and terribly traumatizing shit happens to random and good people for no reason.
Am I the only one who finds it intriguing when it's brought to the realm of pony happiness and sparkles? I mean, I enjoyed "Cupcakes," for the shift of reality more than the violence. I could give a shit less, it's just so -dark- and outside of the norm that it demands attention. This little comic could very well spawn a lot of very interesting and detailed spin-off fics, and I adore the opportunity that creates. |
| Anonymous #495987 10 months ago |
Holy shit geldon calm down and stop being such a drama queen. Fucking blacklist the tag if it's going to put your panties in such a bunch. |
| Geldon #496021 10 months ago |
And I love it when people jump to their first guesses about people based off of a surface impression.
I don't think the world is a just place. Bad, senseless shit happens all the time. Duh. Here's the problem: That's life. This is art. Art that endeavors to be bad and senseless is just bad, senseless art. If you create a work which conveys the message, "Rape and torture of women begets the ultimate reward," don't be surprised you're going to offend people whose moral sensibilities disagree. No, EXPECT it, as the artist, you're ASKING me to get offended by doing that. If you're happy with living with the result of that, fine, let people rage, that means your art is effective. Of course, if you do it to the wrong people, people who don't look the other way and can find you, you might get your ass kicked, but hey, life is a cruel and senseless place. |
| GlitterGlue #496068 10 months ago |
geldon, if someone gets so mad at me over the cartoon ponies that I draw that they track me down and try to beat me up, I'll consider my life a success
now really, for your own good, stop posting |
| Anonymous #496075 10 months ago |
My fellow bronies, can't we just remember that we're supposed to love and tolerate?
I see plenty of pictures here that I disapprove of, but this raging is pointless. From what I have seen these comics are meant to be outlandish. Attempting to come up with legitimate criticism is pointless. Of course this stuff is not meant to be "artsy" and I doubt the author intended them to be. So why not just come here and enjoy art you like and leave stuff you dislike to the rest? |
| Geldon #496093 10 months ago |
Dude, I wouldn't beat up an artist for expressing themselves, that's not my thing. I'm all about creative expression. Besides, I'm a fucking wimp.
I'm just saying that, speaking in terms of a scenario of an artist whose work conveys deliberately offensive shit, that's a chance they take to express themselves. And I applaud them for taking that risk. But, as pertains to what you see on this comment thread, this is the kind of reaction you should be expecting if this is the message you want to communicate. |
| Anonymous #498770 10 months ago |
>bikini armor on a pony
THIS IS MADNESS I SAY! |
| Anonymous #498782 10 months ago |
>if someone gets so mad at me over the cartoon ponies that I draw that they track me down and try to beat me up, I'll consider my life a success
I would do too. Autistic fucks like Geldon should be locked up along with the rest of mental patients for the safety of the public. |
| Geldon #498886 10 months ago |
I cannot facehoof hard enough. Oh, Internet, never change. |
| Anonymous #499334 10 months ago |
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| PonyRIG #499347 10 months ago |
@upanon: what anime is that? looks full of win |
| Geldon #499464 10 months ago |
Fighting Spirit. Marvelous anime indeed.
And I'll post as much as I want. U Mad, bro? |
| Anonymous #545393 9 months ago |
Christ Geldon go outside. |