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Anonymous
#523942
9 months ago
anybody who makes an "oc" is a faggot without a shred of creativity in their body.

this shit is on par with fucking sonic recolors.
Anonymous
#523946
9 months ago
lol
Gezora
#523954
9 months ago
^^And you are a goddamned idiot.

Nuthin' wrong with OCs in general. Just keep the more extreme shit out of it, and we'll be just ducky.
Anonymous
#523960
9 months ago
#523942 is lol.

y u so mad dawg?
Anonymous
#523962
9 months ago
I like OCs as long as they're well designed with actual effort put into their creation.
AdrianBrony
#523964
9 months ago
There's really 3 kinds of OC, Ones made for a purpose in a story, ones who are meant to be a sort of avatar of an artist or writer for use in the fan community, and ones that are both.

the worst kind are usually in the "both" category, but bad OC's can exist in any of them.
Anonymous
#523966
9 months ago
Yes, because as we all know making something new requires far less creativity then repetitively drawing the same thing.
Delicioussharkat
#523970
9 months ago
My OC is a barista earth pony.

With over 9000 penises.
AdrianBrony
#524011
9 months ago
don't call fanfiction and OC's un-creative. just call them "practice." You use pre-made scenarios and characters to hone your skill in remaining in character and conducting a story.

OC's are when you feel that you've got enough experience to try making some of your own characters and practice with that. you still have a setting and other foundational information made for you so you can practice on making characters that work.

then there are people who aren't trying to do anything bold or aspire to writing, they just want to have fun with it and don't take their stuff too seriously at all. they would be the first people to admit their work sucks.

the problem is when a fanfic writer thinks their stuff is something the can market to the writers, or when they are overly defensive about their work.
marioandsonic
#524034
9 months ago
What exactly do you mean by "loved and cherished"? Are you talking about using the mane six as a personal harem, or something?
AdrianBrony
#524057
9 months ago
#524034
I think he means in the same way they love and cherish each other.
Anonymous
#524060
9 months ago
I have no problem with OCs, what I have a problem with are Mary Sue/Gary Stu characters.
In case you forgot, all of the main characters in MLP:FiM are OCs from Faust's childhood. So in a way, FiM is just one big, authorized fanfiction.

Yes, I totally just said that.
What are you going to do about it?
Anonymous
#524063
9 months ago
I make OC ponies because I just don't feel I have the skill to do the real characters any justice.

Plus they help me test distinctive physical traits and body designs.
Aurora_Moon
#524070
9 months ago
...yep. my OC's safe.

first question, nope.[normal pegasus with a love of night. simple as that. nothing overpowered about her.]

second question, pretty sure no.[if im wrong, sorry. wasnt my intention.]

third question, does being able to make an aurora without being a unicorn count?[i classify it as a rare form of 'pegasus magic' under the theory that all ponies bear magic, but unicorns get to actually mold that conciously as spells. for pegasi, their magic's more like unconcious use they have no control over, requiring certain conditions.]

fourth question, she's freakin nocturnal.[odds of her crossing paths with the mane 6 are much slimmer as a result, than if she was a day pony.]

fifth question, uh nope.[made her before i started gettin into the perverted content, after all.]

sixth question, nope.[aint stupid, yo.]

so, to me, looks like she passes. she may look abit...non-bland, but meh.
Anonymous
#524083
9 months ago
Aurora, it fits. RD can pull off the much more awe-inspiring Sonic Rainboom, and she's a pegasus.
Anonymous
#524085
9 months ago
Forgot the "outrageous or garish color scheme" thing, but otherwise I'd say I agree.
Anonymous
#524096
9 months ago
Well unless being a highly skilled Unicorn illusionist counts as having powers that don't fit in MLP I think mine is fine.
AdrianBrony
#524097
9 months ago
#524070
I still think the aroura into fabric thing would be much less sue-ish if it is stated that it's not an uncommon thing some pegassi do. much like making rainbow and snowflakes.

plus, the only comes out at night has it's own... connotations with suedom. perhaps it would be much less sue-ish if it wasn't as much her preference as much as she happens to have a night job and it's just a matter of practicality she kind of liked, but doesn't necessarily dislike the day.

and third, what are you doing with this OC. if she is part of a fic you're writing, that's fine. but if it's just an OC you just use as an avatar, it's pointless to make that much character for it.
marioandsonic
#524105
9 months ago
@ AdrianBrony

So, basically, they can't become friends at first sight. Makes sense.

Though, Pinkie Pie would be an exception to this, because...well, she's Pinkie Pie.
AdrianBrony
#524117
9 months ago
#524105
yeah but pinkie has 2 tiers of friends it seems. social friends, which pretty mcuh covers all of ponyville, more like acquaintances that she really likes to make happy, and personal friends, which is pretty much the mane six and a few others. characters close enough to her that she is willing to balance her self confidence on.
Aurora_Moon
#524124
9 months ago
@085/083: well, its not outrageous. alittle out there but not 'ohgodtheravecolors.' at worst, her mane and tail, and the stripe on her sides might be abit of a bad idea. could just consider it an odd birthmark, really. i dunno.

and, hey. while my OC's able to make an aurora simply by flying at any speed, i counteract the nonexistant speed requirement by adding a night-time requirement.
Anonymous
#524136
9 months ago
Outrageous and garish color schemes are canon. The Princess' hair waves and sparkles by itself, Rainbow Dash is, well, Rainbow Dash, and anypony wearing a beautiful costume with sparkling jewelry and bright colors probably bought it from Rarity.
Anonymous
#524146
9 months ago
@#524136

Well they don't clash.

So I suppose ugly color schemes with clashing colors are what is meant.

I went with dark grey fur and a black mane with mine.
Lance
#524157
9 months ago
Lest we forget, even the canon ponies are OC's. The only ones you can claim are the least OC are ones like Photo Finish who are actually based off of real people. Other than that, no, even they are OC's. Hell, let us also overlook at each of the mane 6 have their own Sue-qualities.
Aurora_Moon
#524158
9 months ago
@Adrian: well, because of my OC's talent, it became her job to put auroras in the sky over ponyville once in awhile. so, yeah. on days off she'll break her normal nocturnal sleep schedule, and hang out in the day, but only if she's got a week off straight or more.

as far as the solidifying aurora into fabric, its not unique to her. she just discoverd a way to do it, but avoids tellin others because she herself got a headache trying to come up with a way to explain how to do it. so others can do it, but explaining how might cause brain implosion. and it serves no real purpose aside from meaning she can make scarves outta auroras she makes. which she just gives away, since she doesnt wanna just sell em.

and, you sayin a pony fan cant come up with an OC design because they feel like it, or wanna work out how they'd want their pony self to be? besides. i cant write fanfics at all. there's a reason essay stuff was my weak point in school. i have probs getting stories to paper. >.<

@146: well i kept my OC's colors dark too...mostly night-themed dark colors. no real clashing of colors.
The_Baron
#524180
9 months ago
pear blossom is my favorite oc
Anonymous
#524186
9 months ago
@Aurora

Well I made sure to use colors actually found in the show first. Also he would look very awkward in bright happy colors, or at least I think he would.

Whatever the case he simply wouldn't look like him if his colors were different.
Aurora_Moon
#524198
9 months ago
@186:...'he'? if you're referring to my OC...me, and my OC both be girls...and you'd be the second to think my OC's a guy.
Anonymous
#524206
9 months ago
@Aurora
I am referring to mine...
AdrianBrony
#524213
9 months ago
st saying if you're making an avatar OC, then making a story and coming up with special abilities it has comes across as incredibly pretentious and that much alone can make a normally fine OC go well into sue territory.

another thing that does come across as sue-ish: she knows but doesn't really tell anypony else how. that whole thing is also on the pretentious side.

really the character isn't a sue, but there are other problems a character can have. and this one is just a little on the pretentious side, at least from my point of view. too much effort trying to make it unique by giving it exclusive know-how and such.

so I guess I should make a summary in case I rambled:
yes, there is a problem with giving your avatar a story if it's not gonna be in any sort of fiction.
no, your character is probably not a sue.
no, that doesn't mean it's a good character.
your character comes across as sort of blank with a bunch of skills and traits that covers up a lack of a distinct personality.

please don't take this as an insult but you asked about your character. and I want to point out that this is mostly my opinion.
AdrianBrony
#524215
9 months ago
#524213
was in response to
#524158
JamesCorck
#524227
9 months ago
Nice.

The character I am developing doesn't fit in any of those descriptions. I guess all that's left is hope for his personality to be likeable.
Anonymous
#524231
9 months ago
@JamesCorck

Ah yes, the truly hard thing.

Actually the hardest part is expressing that personality properly. If you can do that it'll almost certainly be likable to plenty of people.
Aurora_Moon
#524259
9 months ago
@206: ah. nevermind then. actually, re-reading what ya typed..i can see i mis-read it in the first place. oops.

@Adrian: Adrian, again. she wants to, but it makes her brain hurt trying to think of how to explain how she solidifies auroras into fabric. mostly because when i try to think of how it may work, it makes MY brain hurt. so, i figured if it make smy brain hurt tryin to come up with a way that shit works...may as well transfer that along to my OC.

as for the 'not part of fiction of any kind' issue, well...noooot quite. she's not in any fanfiction[that i know of. havent looked.], but she does kinda have a story, per say. its alittle hard to explain, though. and id rather not bore you, or anyone else with a huge wall of text. and i dun want my head hurtin from thinking too hard on a way to explain that may make sense to both of us.

as for lack of personality, well thats just it. her personality's supposed to be mine. trust me, ive tried characters who's personality dont match up with mine in the slightest...didnt work out too well. so, each chara i made for anything, has some piece of my personality as their own. Aurora's the same way, except she gets my whole personality.

also, no, you didnt ramble. trust me, i can show you rambling under the right circumstances. and i dun take it as an insult. actually, the fact my OC 'probably' isnt a sue, is an improvement over ah...some naruto OCs i once made. way sue-ish they ended up bein. waaaay.
AdrianBrony
#524303
9 months ago
from a literary standpoint, "I don't want to explain it" and "I don't know how to explain it" in this context are more or less the same in how it reflects on the character's overall quality.

I know what you are trying to say. you wrote her concept. and her concept is all that exists. now, I have a little black box of sorts that houses plenty of concept characters to use when I see fit, but that's the thing, they are made to be used.

when your avatar has a story, other people generally don't care. if it's an avatar, then that means YOU are the character and it's personality, not a character that has a similar personality. asserting your avatar has a story makes people assume that you want them to know that story then use that as a first impression of you. even if that isn't your intention, it will always come off as that.

my suggestion is choose what you want your character to be. reqrite it as a character concept to be used in prose and make a proper avatar OC, or drop the pretense and write an OC from scratch using the concepts dropped from this character here and make it so it has a distinct character instead of being a self insert.
Anonymous
#524391
9 months ago
*sigh* And again, Nyx is a filly Nightmare Moon in the story. Of course she's powerful.
Anonymous
#524456
9 months ago
Fuck, I was so close. Mine walks on two generally more than four. :(
Aurora_Moon
#524466
9 months ago
@Adrian: well, either way least my OC isnt in the dangerous areas of quality. so, my OC may not be perfect, but its not a fail design either. which im glad for, since it means i'm improving my ability to create good OCs for stuff. and thats all i really cared to know. was that it was within acceptable limits. which means i can leave my OC's design alone. maybe ditch the aurora scarf thing, or tweak it to where she knows how to make fabric that LOOKS like an aurora.
Anonymous
#524987
9 months ago
OCs make for great trollbait.
Anonymous
#525160
9 months ago
First Question - nope, normal talent range. Earth pony who enjoys baking with a preference for cinnamon goodies.

Second Question - Not that i've seen/know of

Third Question - Nope, all checks out

Fourth Question - Loved and cherished? nope. Friends with two of em and seeks advice from em, yeah, but nothing special there. Feasibly acceptable use of M6 members.

Fifth Question - Hell no.

Sixth Question - Nope.

Still need to refine the OC description etc though, it's too simple.
Anonymous
#525517
9 months ago
I think people forget that Mary Sue is bit of a relative term. When you try desperately to avoid Sue-ish traits in your original character, you can end up with a bland character or even an anti-Sue. A few Sue-ish qualities isn't necessarily a bad thing, and even a borderline Mary Sue can be made workable with good writing.
Van_Horsing
#525830
9 months ago
^Well, the thing to remember is that the term is community-defined. If people think it's a Sue, it's a Sue.
Anonymous
#526831
9 months ago
^^ Another important thing to remember is that a competent writer CAN avoid making a Sue and still create an interesting and likable character, IE Mort from Death Takes a Holiday. Both Mary Sues and Anti-Sues are for amateurs.
(Although, I don't know your definition of Anti-Sue. Isn't is somebody who is Sue-ish, in that everything goes right for them, but instead of being pure incorruptable goodness, they're massive assholes, IE Peter Griffin in some Family Guy episodes?)
Anonymous
#526836
9 months ago
@#524391
For the sake of argument, let's say Nyx IS Nightmare Moon despite being nothing like her. Being a amnesiac canon character, a cliched concept in itself, is no excuse for terrible characterization and being a Sue who has everything go right for her.
Anonymous
#527225
9 months ago
I'm going to make a pitch out there, but I had an alicorn character that was supposed to be on the same enemy and threat level of Nightmare Moon and Discord. Basically speaking, a pony Galacta Knight. But his defeat (by the mane 6 and the princesses) it turns him into a regular pegasus pony and after that, he's just gone.
Anonymous
#527228
9 months ago
Fallout Equestria OCs FTW
Wolfzoon
#528169
9 months ago
This chart won the ponynet.
You'd think a whole "what NOT to do with an OC" tutorial on EQdaily would be enough to convince people not to birth abominations.
Alas...
Anonymous
#528420
9 months ago
225: I think there's an exception for villains. Unless the villain is more OP than Discord (and it's hard to get more OP than fucking Q), if the character is a genuine villain and not some ooh-dark anti-hero Sue, it's expected that the character will be more powerful/mean/cunning/brutal/etc than the Mane 6 and even the Princesses. Then the story should focus on the Mane 6 or whoever else is going to defeat this terrible creature, in the tradition of straightforward fantasy storytelling.
Anonymous
#529149
9 months ago
@420
225: Hey this is actually 225 here, and thanks 420, I suppose I have to agree that bad guys have to get a pass on the part. When he changes back into a regular pegasus pony, he'll just only be just as strong as a normal guard pony anyway. As his Galacta Knight form he's pretty much a Knight Templar that takes things way too far and seriously and it seems fitting that Celestia and Luna were the ones that sealed him because "his powers was too great."
Anonymous
#537410
9 months ago
Robin Hood no!
Anonymous
#655637
8 months ago
You don't love and tolerate furries. Call them by their proper name instead of the cigarette-based name.
Anonymous
#1038069
4 months ago
Good chart.
Fuck Nyx
Anonymous
#1085448
4 months ago
Mines only defining characteristic is a minor delusion that wearing a collendar with a bunch of wires glued to it allows him to be a better scientist, so I'd hope that's not really out of place in the universe as it's just a kitchen utensil with some other stuff attached that does nothing
Psychopomf
#1085465
4 months ago
...I can't tell

Would being able to see ghosts as a pegasus fit in with world powers if its his special talent?

I don't like Bananas :(