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Invisible_Pink_Unicorn
#219205
1 year ago
I've uploaded the current state of the set on Deviant Art. You can browse the gallery here.

Please feel free to comment and criticize. I've finally committed to the set and want to bring it to a high polish. You may recognize some of your suggestions on cards I already posted on Ponibooru.
Flaskgarg
#219225
1 year ago
I would make the ability not activated, or at least split second.
And legendary permanents usually fuel themselves, maybe an effect that says "Whenever a permanent is exiled, put a 1/1 Pony creature token into playunder your control."
Anonymous
#219282
1 year ago
Wait, are you seriously saying this thing costs 20 mana? On top of that, in order to even USE it, you have to tap SIX creatures? Not just ANY creature, but 6 Pony Creatures? Really? No, too expensive and no one would ever use it. Think practically. If anything, the elements should be seperate Legendary artifacts; Little cheapo things that have either a passive or activated ability. Like maybe Laughter nerfs attacking creatures, Generosity gives mana excel, Honesty allows creatures to block an additional creature, etc. When they're all out on the battlefield, THEN they do something cool together, kinda like how the Urza Lands work. I could easily see them doing the Exile Permanent ability once they're all out on the board. Maybe you just tap them all to do it or something. Regardless, this is too expensive and weak to even consider playing with as written.
Invisible_Pink_Unicorn
#219340
1 year ago
Theoretically, this can cost 0 mana if you have a creature of each color out. Cast it at the end of your opponent's turn, and start neeming away... especially if you are playing with Pony Filly token generators.

On average, with three different colors and five or six creatures out, this will cost you 5-6 mana.
NonAnon
#219349
1 year ago
@282
Even better, when used to exile a permanent, each of the Elements of returned to the library, because they were "lost".
Anonymous
#219397
1 year ago
Don't play MTG, but I know the rules. And are there any (N/C) hybrids where N is greater than 2? 'Cause a cost of 10 is already pretty high, IIRC, especially with that activation cost tacked on.
DarkJester
#219440
1 year ago
A nice idea, but way too expensive for a card that requires you to have six untapped ponies to even be usable. I'd think it'd be like this:

Sorcery

2/B 2/W 2/B 2/R 2/G

At an additional cost to play Elements of Harmony, tap six untapped ponies you control.

Destroy all non-pony permanents.
Anonymous
#219442
1 year ago
@Unicorn
Well, thats' the thing, you'd still need 4 of each colored creature to Convoke it out for "0 mana", which means 20 creatures total. Sure, you can mix and match, but in the end you're still tapping a combination of 20 creatures and/or lands. It's unlikely a 5 color deck will actually be able to DO that. 5 color decks are hard enough to pull off as it is. This is nigh impossible to actually get out onto the field, let alone be able to effectively use. It's too expensive whichever way you slice it. Compare this to the actual Magic card "Door to Nothingness" and you'll understand what I mean.
DarkJester
#219446
1 year ago
^ Let me change that a little....

Sorcery

2/B 2/W 2/B 2/R 2/G

At an additional cost to play Elements of Harmony, tap six untapped ponies you control.

Destroy all non-pony permanents your opponents control.
Flaskgarg
#219456
1 year ago
Your bad anon,
If you convoke for a color, you pay 1 instead of 4
Therefore, you could get this thing out turn 3 no problem.
Anonymous
#219491
1 year ago
Oh right, I'm dumb, forgot that's how those worked. Forgot you could either pay 4 mana, OR the color given instead. Yeah, my bad on that one.
Drasvin
#219495
1 year ago
@anon 442 Those symbols don't mean '4 of this color,' They mean '4 of any color OR 1 of this color'
Drasvin
#219501
1 year ago
For a flash, indestructible artifact with convoke, I think this card is pretty good. Sure you have to tap 6 ponies to use it's effect, but that's exile ANY permanent, which includes planeswalkers like Nightmare Moon and Celestia. And it doesn't make the Elements tap, so for every six ponies, you can, effectively, banish something to the moon every turn.
Invisible_Pink_Unicorn
#219669
1 year ago
@ #219440: You are correct: there currently aren't any official cards with N>2.

I decided to stray off the beaten path because it solved a cost issue (giving you a fair price with 3 colors and 5 or 6 creatures).

I'm willing to bet that Wizards is going to mine that design space in the future, just like they did with cycling costs, which started out "locked in" at 2, got more varied in later editions, and finally got turned on their head in the Alara block.
Anonymous
#219966
1 year ago
Anon 397 here. I looked up the history of cycling. They wanted to do other costs at first, but they decided to keep things simple to ease players into the mechanic. With hybrid mana, it's less about simplicity and more about game balance. A CMC of 20 would be the highest of any card except Gleemax, and with the right combo it could easily be turned into a one-hit kill. You might not even need enough mana or creatures to cast it.
Drasvin
#219981
1 year ago
@anon 966 Though the Elements of Harmony does make since as an ultra card. Once you have it in play and the ponies to use it, you can start tearing apart your opponent's strategy. Even if their strategy is instant and sorcery heavy, you can go after their mana sources with this card. If there's a nuke combo that works off of it's insane CMC, then it just makes it more of an ultra.
Though it would probably use some playtesting and balancing.
BGPony17
#221716
1 year ago
I've never played MtG, but I'm guessing the effect of this card is "Drop nuke on enemy, game over"?
Invisible_Pink_Unicorn
#222118
1 year ago
@ BGPony17: Not quite. If you are too far behind, the EoH probably won't save you. But the chances that they'll turn the game around in your favor are very high, as you can immediately take out the largest threat(s) your opponent has on the table.

If you are already winning, this card should seal the deal.
Anonymous
#222122
1 year ago
heh heh, tap ponies, eh?
Invisible_Pink_Unicorn
#222164
1 year ago
@ #219966: I have to admit that I'm not even going to try to make this set balanced in combination with official cards. That would require a huge workforce, even "just" for standard. There are just too many cards like Explosive Revelation one can miss. (Besides, does anyone mix fan cards with regular ones without their opponent's permission?)

Do rest assured that I will be listening to feedback and polishing the set until it is as balanced as possible within its own "biotope"; its intent is to be used for pure Pony vs Pony decks.

Of course, mutual consent is the only thing you need to pull off awesome moves like Karning a Cupcake... ;)
Drasvin
#222927
1 year ago
@IPU I think in casual play, as long as it's stated before hand and both sides consent, it would be okay to use fan-made sets. Though broken combos are sure to pop up. They pop up in offical sets too, hence the banned and restricted lists in Vintage and Legacy. Since you're following the design guidelines that the Wizards R&D uses, they should be mostly balanced in respect to official sets. Only have to worry about strange off-the wall combos
YandereShy
#227934
1 year ago
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