
| Van_Horsing #456814 10 months ago |
Hmm. Can someone clarify what got swapped here? Bodies? Genders? Minds? |
| Azarias #456818 10 months ago |
Genders. |
| sodomitor #456822 10 months ago |
wahaha.
Yes, Rarity is as bad as Blueblood here. Bitch. |
| Lord_Tristan #456837 10 months ago |
^ :< |
| Anonymous #456845 10 months ago |
I want to see a direct reproduction of Blueblood's scenes with their genders swapped.
Let's see how appropriate Rarity's behavior is when she is the stallion only reluctantly placing cloaks over puddles as well as opening doors and paying for food. Sure, he wouldn't be as much of a douche as Blueblood but Rarity keeping the same behavior as a stallion would hardly make the perfect gentlecolt. Especially after shaking cake all over the mare who used him as a shield. |
| sodomitor #456856 10 months ago |
^and that's why I love blueblood. He acts JUST LIKE RARITY. But somehow people keep labeling him as a jerk, but nopony realized that Rarity is a bitch. |
| Anonymous #456859 10 months ago |
He's not exactly like Rarity, he's more like an exaggeration of her.
Or maybe not, she could've just been the one giving in to being "chivalrous" because she was more intent on keeping her date then he was. |
| Verve #456865 10 months ago |
^ Point |
| SawbonesMD #456877 10 months ago |
To me Blueblood seems to act how one would expect and old-timey aristocrat to behave except he acts the part of the opposite sex.
Which makes me think his tutor played a cruel joke on him during his formal upbringing. |
| Anonymous #456895 10 months ago |
Hmm...
Just got another idea. Where a male Blueblood would hold Rarity to the standards of a true gentlecolt, a Princess Blueblood would hold a male Rarity to the standards of a lady. |
| SawbonesMD #456908 10 months ago |
@456895 That would be kinda interesting. |
| Anonymous #456916 10 months ago |
Indeed it would, so I challenge you to find a way to make that scenario as negative as possible. |
| SawbonesMD #456940 10 months ago |
@456916 She could be lecturous and condescending towards anyone behaving in a manner she deems ungentlemanly [unlady like to us] |
| Anonymous #456953 10 months ago |
Does that invert the expected gender role enough though? |
| GreyAcumane #456961 10 months ago |
Wow... people commenting on Rarity's personality here have absolutely no perspective at all. I really have trouble believing they've watched any of the episodes focusing on her.
Blueblood is a self-absorbed, elitist douche. Rarity is just a perfectionist whose focus revolves around appearances, but that goes for everyone and everything around her, NOT just herself. She gives just as much attention to all of her friends, and even perfect strangers and inanimate objects like the bird's nests she was making for the winter wrapup. In a way, she borders on OCD, and "borders" may be too light of a term. Even as a woman, she was willing to sacrifice her tail to patch up Steven Magnet's mustache. Lets face it, that wasn't even all that great of a fix, but she obviously wasn't focusing on repairing his physical appearance as much as she was focusing on repairing his own self image. So she's NOT the type of person who thinks that superficial appearance is all there is to a person, but instead is merely someone who recognizes how outer appearances can affect someone's inner view of themselves. If she was in Blueblood's place, she would undoubtedly be playing the role of dashing and gallant prince to the hilt, because she would understand that being a gracious host and making her(in this scenario, his) date look good IS what makes the gentleman look good. Rarity even specifically stated that she needed to give Blueblood a chance to show signs of gallantry, so her attempts to prod Blueblood into being a proper host were as much for the sake of trying to find his "inner beauty" and make HIM look good as it was for her own interests. Blueblood has no ability to recognize anyone as not being a servant unless they are a member of royalty. He is the penultimate snob. So yeah, this idea that rarity is no different than Blueblood, and it's only some "outdated" gender role that keeps Rarity from being labeled as a bitch, is completely ridiculous. |
| Anonymous #457010 10 months ago |
K...
Still think keeping identical personalities in a reproduction of their scenes together despite being genderswapped could paint the happenings in a very different light. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks a male Rarity would truly act like because that isn't the point of the experiment. Now of course if we're forced to have a male Rarity behave distinctly in any manner from the normal female form then we would have to alter Blueblood accordingly by making him as a Princess an irritating male stereotype who expects "Elusive" to behave as a proper lady in some way. |
| Anonymous #457012 10 months ago |
^ best post so true bro. |
| Anonymous #457013 10 months ago |
@012 was refering to GreyAcumane's post |
| Anonymous #457023 10 months ago |
And I don't disagree with it.
Still, I would prefer experimenting with how actions are perceived based on gender then keeping in how the characters would truly behave if their genders were reversed. I like the sciency stuff. |
| nyxabuse #457084 10 months ago |
Oh wahwah Prince Blueblood gets treated badly because of sexism.
Look, at formal occasions like the Grand Galloping Gala, there is a certain type of behaviour that is considered appropriate. Probably the main amongst these is that guys have to be chivalrous, and Blueblood should have known that, so treating Rarity the way he did was him being deliberately rude. |
| Anonymous #457101 10 months ago |
That's not exactly the point of the sciency.
But /shrug. |
| Anonymous #457102 10 months ago |
Um, Elusive... dear... remember Celestia's visit right before Fluttershy birdnapped her phoenix? I'd say you were just about as bad. |
| SawbonesMD #457130 10 months ago |
@nyxabuse I don't think Blueblood was purposefully being rude to Rarity, he seemed like he genuinely had no idea how to properly interact with other ponies in a social environment. |
| Lola_Del_Rio #457346 10 months ago |
...and then they fucked |
| Anonymous #457469 10 months ago |
i gotta ask: who vectored this for me?
i love it. |
| Anonymous #457504 10 months ago |
I think that people are forgetting that Blueblood was acting in accordance to the accepted standards of EQUESTRIAN culture. HE was following the rules of proper etiquette, but Rarity WAS NOT. It a culture with clearly stratified social standings, you're expected to respect those boundaries. Whether YOU, the viewer, agree with their culture or not is irrelevant. The fact is, any Equestrian would say that Rarity was being a huge douche baggette for not showing proper deference to her prince and breaking their social rules. Her behavior was, by definition, rude; while Blueblood's was explicitly proper for the situation.
But let's dig deeper. Rarity wanted a rose Blueblood wanted a rose (which, as a royal, he DID own in the first place) Rarity wanted to sit on the cushion Blueblood wanted to sit on the cushion Rarity wanted the door held open Blueblood wanted the door held open And has Rarity shown any indication that she wouldn't hide behind someone else to protect herself from messiness ("Do understand, dear, I took SOOOOOO much longer on my mane than you, it wouldn't make sense for ME to get messy")? Has she not, in the past, been disrespectful to Applejack and her homespun ways? Everyone says Blueblood is self-centered, but they do so out of their headcanon, and NOT based explicitly on any evidence from the episode. For all we know, he's the personal sponsor and overseer of all Equestria's orphanages or something. But NOOOooooOOO, everyone just ASSUMES he's a monstrous dick (despite being the nephew of a benevolent and immortal Princess who would undoubtedly have played a major role in his upbringing). It just isn't logical. |
| Anonymous #457613 10 months ago |
@anon 504 Where does it say that Blueblood's actions are the standard of ettiquite in Equestria? Rarity would have to have gotten the idea of a noble, chivorous prince from somewhere, and she does have to keep up with the trends in high society as she's a fashion designer that focuses on higher class and formal clothing (especially considering there's not much in the way of lower class clothing in Equestria). There is also the concept of noblesse oblige, which is basically, "If you claim to be better than the common folk, then act better than them. A noble should be noble." With privilage, comes responsiblity. And royalty should especially follow that concept, as their actions reflect upon their country. If a foreign dignitary had been present at the Gala, saw Prince Blueblood acting like that, and knew who he was, then that dignitary would well within her right to assume that's how Equestria would treat her country. Sure said dignitary would probably know that Celestia is benevolent and kind, but what if something happens to Celestia? What if she becomes ill and Blueblood is forced to fill her position until she gets better. There's Luna, but at best she's an unknown element, at worst her reputation as Nightmare Moon is going to cause problems.
Yeah, Rarity and Blueblood have very similar personalities. Rarity is a bitch, but we have seen her redeeming qualities. She is often self-centered and vain, but she is also very generous. She made not one, but two lines of dresses for her friends, for free. That probably wasn't cheap unless she just happened to have a considerable excess of supplies and a lull in dress orders. And the fact that she did not like the second line of dresses at all, probably took a considerable hit to her reputation because of it, but said nothing because she wanted to make her friends happy. Blueblod is very similar. He is self-centered and vain, but we haven't scene any redeeming qualities with him. That doesn't mean he doesn't have them, but if the audience has not seen them, then it doesn't matter, the audience can only form opinions based on what they see. Also, Blueblood might be Celestia's nephew, but he's a very distant nephew. Though even if he was Celestia's own son, she wouldn't play a major role in his upbringing. When would she have the time to? She has to run a country. She has to control both the sun and the moon. She'll have to meet with foreign dignitaries or at least appoint some ambassadors to do so for her, though even then she'll have to advise and direct the ambassadors on what her goals and foriegn policies are. Most likely, Bluebloods upbringing was handle the same as it was in human monarchies, via tutors. Tutors would educate him in matters of math, magic, and the such, teach him ettiquite, and train him to fight and defend his country if the need arises. So if Blueblood truely is an unredeemable asshole and his upbringing is the c ause (as opposed to the privilage of being a royal and having multitude of girls fawning over his looks going to his head) then he had bad tutors. |
| Draconaes #457617 10 months ago |
^Aren't you the one making the assumption that Blueblood actually was following accepted Equestrian standards? I mean, all we have to go off of is that Blueblood and Rarity disagreed over who was supposed to do what. I don't remember other aristocrats looking disapprovingly at Rarity's behavior or anything of the sort. Obviously, because Blueblood is the rich aristocrat, he is of course in the right. That makes a lot of sense, doesn't it? It's not like Rarity has been shown to be an expert on culture or anything... |
| Draconaes #457620 10 months ago |
@617 I meant to respond to 504. Ninja'd |
| Drasvin #457626 10 months ago |
Oops. Forgot to login. 613 is me.
And I'm apparently a ninja! :D |
| SawbonesMD #457670 10 months ago |
@457469 That's me. |
| Anonymous #457696 10 months ago |
I still don't get why people hate Blueblood for being a jerk.
That is exactly why I love him, he was hilarious, he along with Gilda are characters that I absolutely love because they're freaking hilarious in their negativity, Blueblood was never flat out offensive or antagonistic with his royal painess, so I'll never understand the hate for him, he was an oaf and a dumbass, and that makes him HILARIOUS for me. |
| Retl #457832 10 months ago |
Personally, I <3 Blueblood. |
| Anonymous #457879 10 months ago |
@anon 696 I don't hate Blueblood. I dislike him, but I don't hate him. A few redeeming qualities could make him a rather interesting character. If nothing else I could just write off his actions as him being a stereotypical, nobilty snob. A jerk, but a tolerable one. On the other hand, Gilda is a character I do hate. Her assholery is worse and lacks such an easy excuse. If it was just a bad childhood like many people want to believe, why did she try to push Pinkie Pie away? She was Rainbow's friend. Why doesn't Gilda trust her friend to make cool friends? There is the old mythology link (Griffons and horses are mortal enemies, due to the fact that griffons ate horses) though if it basically comes down to a fantasy version of racism(which is still mean and wrong), then why is she such good friends with Rainbow Dash or why doesn't she realise that other ponies might be cool like Rainbow Dash? As far as I can tell, she's just a bully, and I do not like bullies. |
| Anonymous #457895 10 months ago |
Well Anon 879, I guess that depends on what you want of a character.
I'm in the show for humor, I like to laugh, I like the personalities, so I find Blueblood perfect as he is because he is a clueless jerk. A reedeming story with him would be interesting, but as it is I'm satisfied with him being like that and I would love for him to show up in Season 2 to cause more rude shenanigans. Just so you can get an idea, my fav of the Main 6 is AJ again simply because I find her to be the best deliverer of humor among them all. |
| Anonymous #458163 10 months ago |
@617 Draconaes-
Rarity is most certainly NOT an expert on culture. She's essentially an artisan, a member of the bourgeoise at best, who has never even been to Canterlot, let alone a single royal event. If she were such an expert, then doesn't it stand to reason that she would have EXPLAINED to her friends what to expect at the gala? But they were all clearly equally unprepared. @613 Also I think that it stands to reason that the prince, who's job can basically be defined as 'courtly behavior' would be expected to know what he's doing in this case, and in any event, is likely much more of an expert than Rarity. So, yes, it is more likely that HE was in the right, NOT Rarity. And I also think it not unreasonable to expect Celestia had a great deal to do with his upbringing, considering that she apparently has time to deal with Twilight Sparkle, including her REPORTS ON MAKING FRIENDS. Apparently, her business isn't all that pressing. Besides, Rarity didn't refer to Blueblood as "a prince" or "a nobleman", but as "Celestia's nephew." And I'm supposed to believe that Celestia just ignored him? Gave the stallion whom the world would look at as "Celestia's nephew" barely a second glance? Unlikely. If she can teach Twilight, then she would obviously have taught Blueblood as well. I'm not stupid. It's pretty obvious to me that the real reason that everyone hates Blueblood is simple prejudice. Because he isn't a cute girl that they can gush over, and probably reminds them of the doctor's kids who made fun of them growing up. Am I right, or am I right? PS - nice pic, btw. It's a cool representation. |
| Drasvin #458173 10 months ago |
Damn it. Forgot to login when posting again. T.T Anon 879 is me as well.
@anon 895 I can understand that. I guess that might have contributed some to why I can tolerate him, just never consciously realised it.Him showing up in Season 2 would be interesting, especially if one of the Sisters berate him for how he acts, as that would have potential to be humorous and satisfying that a jerk got his just deserts. |
| Anonymous #458370 10 months ago |
Didn't Celestia invite everybody to the gala to ruin it?
She probably raised Blueblood to be a jerk so she could laugh at the results too. Sounds like something a bored godess would do. |
| Drasvin #458384 10 months ago |
@anon 163 rarity is an artisan. An artisan that caters primarily to high class society and wishes to one day join said high class society. She would be able to pick up cultural expectations and mores from her clients. When dealing with nobles and aristocrats, one must know what is proper and what is not, so as to avoid insulting them, which would mean loss of business or worse depending on how much political power said noble has. Also in 'The Ticket Master' Rarity's daydream was the closest to what the Gala was like. As for why she didn't warn the others about what the Gala would be like, she was wrapped in her own fantasy for one. For two, the only one's that were grossly mistaken about the party were Pinkie Pie (Rarity might have figured Pinkie Pie was going to gorge herself on the banqueting tables) and Applejack (Though Rarity might have figured that fantasy was still reasonable. She just forgot that Applejack's reputation as one of the best bakers ever has not spread past Ponyville, or that most nobles would distaineating common fair. Or she figured that Pinkie's gorging would eliminate most, if not all of the banquet food, leaving Applejacks applestand one of the few food sources left)
Actually, a prince's job depends on the country and if he is in line for succession or not. If Blueblood isn't in line for succession (which might be likely, as Celestia is apparently immortal, AND the society seems to be matriarchical AND he is a very distant relation to the Princess), then he's not going to have much, if any political power. If he sits in at the courts, then it would be because Celestia wants him to, not because he has any influence. Just about anywhere he would have influence, Celestia's influence is going to be stronger. So if Blueblood isn't in the line to succeed Celestia and isn't assigned any other duties like command of the military or something, his only 'job' will be to look pretty and be married off to royalty of another country to reinforce political ties. And even if he was required to understand 'courtly behavior' that does not mean he does. There are plenty of people the world over that are in positions that they have little to no clue how to do their job. They typically get into those positions through favors, knowing someone important, or simply are born into the position (like royalty and nobility). Also the fact that Blueblood is a distant nephew of Celestia. He's not Luna's son. The only reason his relation to Celestia is even relavent, is because Celestia is royalty. The writers were going to make him a duke, but the executives figured the target audience wouldn't know what a duke is. (Good thing they did to, because even considerable sections of the periphery demographic does not know what a duke is) And I do think it would be unreasonable to expect Celestia to do anything with his upbringing other than check in every once in a while to make sure the tutors aren't turning him into a puppet usurper or something. And we don't know how much time Celestia devoted to Twilight and the rest of the unicorns at the School for Gifted Unicorns, though if it's anything like present day Twilight, then Celestia probably did not teach many of the classes herself, instead getting professors to do most of the work and reading reports from them. Also Celestia probably paid extra attention to Twilight, because she was grooming Twilight to be one of the bearers of the Elements of Harmony, her raw power (the greatest Celestia had ever seen in a unicorn) was probably a needed component in order to purge the dark magic from Luna instead of just banishing her again, and I think saving her sister is high enough on her priority list that she'll hand off more of her duties than normal to try to ensure success of her plan. Over that time, Celestia might have developed an emotional attachment to Twilight and wanted to be her friend. (Or the emotional attachment came from Twilight and co saving her sister. That would generally make someone grateful as well) After assigning Twilight to study the magic of friendship (something Twilight had majorly neglected until then), the only part of that education Celestia has a part in is reading Twilight's reports, which are generally only a handful of paragraphs long, if that. It would take mere minutes to read over, contemplate, and decide if it's proper or not. She could probably do that as she's getting ready for bed. Also, what are the conotations of "Celestia's Nephew?" That as well depends on cultural and societal views. It all depends on what all he has. If he has a chance at succeeding to the throne, then he'll be considered a potential future enemy/ally/rival/whatever by other countries and the nobles (which is doubtful, as Celestia is at least 1000 years old and still going strong. And his claim to the throne might be tenuous enough to be disputed by some of the more powerful nobles in Equestria. Or if either of the Sisters had offspring, then the whole issue would be rendered moot, as said offspring would have a stronger claim to the throne then Blueblood or the nobles. Or if Celestia names somepony as a successor. That would upset a lot of nobles, but there wouldn't be much they could do unless they wanted to rebel). If he has command of the military, then he's going to be seen as a general would be seen, held to whatever standard of warrior honor the society follows and potentially feared by the enemies of Equestria (or viewed as an inept idiot. It depends on how good his commanding skills are). If he has nothing but his good looks and his small bloodline connection to Celestia, then at most he's going to be a trophy husband to gain better connection to Equestria, or he might just be viewed as 'another pretty face' and generally ignored by the world. I would believe you are wrong, or at least not completely right. As I mentioned above, I'm able to tolerate Blueblood, I hate Gilda. One is a snobbish royal, the other is an awesome girl the unfortunetly happens to be a bully. Also, "probably reminds them of the doctor's kids who made fun of them growing up. Am I right, or am I right?" ? No offense, but that phrase makes you appear to be a biased idiot. You blame other for making assumptions about a ficitional character, but then you make assumptions about real people. |
| edudls #458447 10 months ago |
SO MUCH TEXT |
| Drasvin #458454 10 months ago |
Sorry. I have the habit to get rambly when I get into a discussion |
| Anonymous #458561 10 months ago |
^^^
>"that phrase makes you appear to be a biased idiot" >"You blame other people for making assumptions about a fictional character, but then you make assumptions about real people" >"I see no problem with saying these two things sequentially." >"Nor have I considered that you may have not made an assumption, but instead have reasoned from experience based on evidence gathered from actual comments." |
| Lancer #458748 10 months ago |
Of all personality flaws, envy is perhaps the most forgivable since it is based on one's own lack of vanity. Rarity is envious of high society and tries to act like them and look like them.
On the other hoof, Blueblood is a part of high society and extremely vain. He truly seems to value himself more than others. If Rarity seems to act like Blueblood, it's because she mistakenly thinks that is the right way to behave. After the Gala, she may know better, if character development is part of the writing. |
| GreyAcumane #461519 10 months ago |
Few things I'll add, since people still seem to be commenting:
I don't hate blueblood particularly. I just find him a completely pathetic personality, and an easy and enjoyable target to pick on. He's on such a high horse that you can't help but want to knock him off, and he's such a pansy ass that it's like a big neon sign on his back blinking "kick me" The piece where he used Rarity as a shield was definitely the icing on the cake. Someone else brought up the idea that Rarity used others as a shield for her own vanity, but this neglects to really note 2 important details: 1) Rarity works as a fashion designer. It is LITERALLY her BUSINESS to look good, because the impression other ponies get on how her fashion will look on them will first and foremost be based on how her fashion looks on herself. 2) She was asking Applejack who gets down and dirty on a daily basis. On a completely practical level, she's entirely correct that Applejack would be better suited for dealing with the messy problems. It's not terribly flattering, but it's also not untrue either. |
| Anonymous #462289 10 months ago |
^and that's why I love blueblood. He acts JUST LIKE RARITY. But somehow people keep labeling him as a jerk, but nopony realized that Rarity is a bitch.
Wow, people actually think this? |
| kittydashie #462922 10 months ago |
So, is blueblood Luna's son, or do Celestia and Luna have another sibling? |
| Anonymous #464330 10 months ago |
Lauren Faust said that he is "Celestia's distant nephew 52 times removed" so no Kitty.
Honestly Blueblood being Celestia's nephew is probably just a joke that will stay unexplained. He wasn't even meant to be her nephew in first place he was going to be called "Duke". Personally I like to think that he is SUPER removed but is still the closest thing alive to the princesses and he clings to that fact like hell just for the credit that comes with it. Like, carries with him documental proof around everywhere and all. |
| Anonymous #475753 10 months ago |
Amy Keating Rogers said that Blueblood is just some "random douche."
Also, holy crap essays. |
| Anonymous #476121 10 months ago |
@#457504
You claim that Rarity is not standing in line with social etiquette. Where have we seen any evidence to oppose the idea that high-class Equestrian Social Etiquette- indeed, the Equestrian culture in general- is any different from our own? Indeed, different enough that a stallion can walk all over his fillyfriend instead of showing chivalry. He may indeed be able to do that to a peasant, or commoner, in a normal situation, but Rarity is not only more or less his date for the night but also a saviour of Equestria. If there was a direct genderbent transcript of the Rarity scenes in Ep 26, then Elusive would definitely be the douche. But Elusive wouldn't act that way. Even in their genderbent positions, Elusive would still be the more likable of the two. At the core of his/her personality is a desire to hobnob with the best, and if he desired to court a lady he would be chivalrous, in a effort to attract her attention. If BLUEBLOOD was a filly, she would still be introverted, and only give a little attention to her date. Although that wouldn't justify Elusive spraying cake all over her. |