
| Kein #321872 1 year ago |
It is uploaded already, actually: >>31693
But I have nothing against this dupe >_> |
| Calpain #321883 1 year ago |
Looks like a possible dupe
>>31693 |
| Calpain #321885 1 year ago |
Dang, you beat me Kein. |
| CogWeaver #321890 1 year ago |
aww, poor Celestia D: |
| MrNaleIt #321944 1 year ago |
Not a dupe. It looks like the nazi symbol on the flag has been edited out. |
| Unicron #321953 1 year ago |
i don't like nazi's |
| Ezhik #322016 1 year ago |
Poor Celly :( She's not a troll, you people should be ashamed. |
| togashimenai #322214 1 year ago |
"Not a troll"? This idea didn't come about because bronies are jerks. The idea came about because CELESTIA is a jerk.
Did you know that Luna was corrupted by an EXTERNAL evil that turned her into Nightmare Moon? Yeah, turning evil wasn't even her fault, and she got banished to the moon "forever" for it! And what tool did Celestia use to banish her? The same tool that was LATER used to just plain purify her. |
| Anonymous #322244 1 year ago |
^This. |
| Drasvin #322246 1 year ago |
@togashi Celestia imprisoned Nightmare Moon because she had no other choice. Celestia might not have been strong enough to purge the evil magic from her sister. Which would explain why Celestia started the School for Gifted Unicorns (other than to provide a program to teach gifted unicorns that is), she was looking for somepony that might have enough power to hopefully save Luna. And yes, I know that implies that Twilight+friends+Elements is more powerful than Celestia+Elements, but I'm okay with that.
Also from Lauren's comment, it's unclear whether the magic that turned Luna into Nightmare Moon was an sentient, possessing force or something more akin to a forbidden magic that Luna tapped into to try to ensure she had the upper-hand against Celestia. |
| Anonymous #322272 1 year ago |
>Celestia
>A jerk Wait a sec,You were serious? Let me laugh even harder! |
| Anonymous #322355 1 year ago |
@togashi
The reason WE know that Luna was corrupted by an external evil was because Lauren told us herself. What would you(and the rest of Celestia haters)have reacted if this tiny but important bit of information was never discovered? Heck,maybe the characters in the show still don't know about this either,Celestia included.But if you prefer to go"Oh no,let's hate on Celestia and worship Luna,because,yes" then go ahead >_> |
| Anonymous #322500 1 year ago |
YOU LEAVE TIA ALONE! |
| togashimenai #322668 1 year ago |
But that's not the only piece of evidence against Celestia, is it? Let's look at "A Bird in the Hoof". There's a party for Celestia, who brings her obviously sick bird and chooses to talk to Fluttershy about how much she loves taking care of sickly animals. She then shows off her own OBVIOUSLY sick bird. Immediately afterward, a guard summons Celestia away, and the party is cleaned up. The bird is left behind.
Either Celestia is wise and knew EXACTLY what would happen, in which case she's a troll for screwing with Fluttershy like that ... Or she genuinely didn't think that Fluttershy would try to take care of her "sick" bird, in which case she's pretty much an idiot. |
| togashimenai #322682 1 year ago |
Is conjecture not good enough? How about an out and out confession? "That is why I was thrilled you all were attending. I was hoping you could liven things up a bit."
She was genuinely HAPPY that the Gala was effectively ruined and that her palace got trashed. |
| togashimenai #322704 1 year ago |
Perhaps we should ask the other ponies what THEY think about Celestia? Twilight, who knows her better than anypony SERIOUSLY thought that Celestia would banish and/or imprison Fluttershy for having kidnapped Philomena. In "Sonic Rainboom", Rainbow Dash ALSO thought that Celestia might banish her to the Everfree forest if she doesn't put on a good enough show. Yeah, she was having a breakdown at the time, but the whole "Celestia banishes ponies on a whim" seems to be well known even IN UNIVERSE.
I don't hate Celestia. I think she's she's VERY amusing. I LOVE Celestia ... but that's only because I have a fondness for the Dark Side. |
| Anonymous #322711 1 year ago |
I will absolutely concede that she's an inveterate prankster. Even Griffon the Brush-Off indicates as much.
But not being one to put much stock in Death of the Author as an interpretive principle, and given the ease of construing the whole Philomena debacle as a case of miscommunication on Celestia's part and rashness on Fluttershy's, I'm hesitant to upgrade her from "prankster" to "jerk". |
| Drasvin #322726 1 year ago |
@Togashi we do have a point there. I need to finish watching that episode to figure out what the friendship lesson at the end was. She might have done it simple to spur on the friendship lesson, since she is Twilight's mentor.
And even if she did that to troll Fluttershy (and by extension Twilight) she's a 1000+ year old goddess, who may or may not be afraid of her own power (personal theory as to why she always has that perfect 'public face' persona, even when she's at home or forgiving Luna after the NMM incident was over), surrounded by boring, dull aristocrats day-in and day-out. The lady needs a nice harmless way to amuse herself every once in a while, doesn't she? Otherwise she might snap. And the only time on-screen we've seen her do anything that might be seen as trolling, it's pretty much always towards people that are quite possibly annoying her (The aristocrats at the Gala for being boring aristocrats. Twilight for turning every attempt at a casual visit into a big event) And in that case, I personally would rather be trolled by Celestia than burnt to a crisp. |
| Drasvin #322745 1 year ago |
Oops. I meant you* not we in that first line |
| togashimenai #322795 1 year ago |
Oh, I have very little doubt that Celestia has good (or at least neutral) intentions. Much of the time, she probably IS trying to teach lessons. "It's possible to be TOO kind" is a lesson that can really only be learned the hard way.
However, relieving your own boredom by sewing the seeds of chaos and discord (at the Gala) is pretty much a dick move. I'll concede that Celestia might not actually be a jerk. She IS manipulative, and she DOES enjoy a spot of chaos every now and then. "Jerk" might not be right, but "troll" seems perfect. Whether or not she's a "tyrant" depends on the details of Luna's banishment scenario, although everypony DOES fear her quite a bit, which is a bad sign. |
| Anonymous #322820 1 year ago |
Fear can stem from difference.
This is the only alicorn anyone has ever seen or heard of, great in power and wisdom, the one who raises the sun at dawn and the moon at dusk. A pony, but completely beyond the level of every other pony in Equestria. I would classify a little fear and rumor, on the part of a populace which for the most part never interacts with her outside of ceremony, to be entirely predictable. |
| Anonymous #322825 1 year ago |
But I suppose at this distance it's impossible to tell. |
| Iamunicorn #322837 1 year ago |
Can't we just appreciate this picture for what it is?
Princess Celstia cowering in fear as her greatest secrets are revealed to her subjects. |
| Drasvin #322920 1 year ago |
Well she has attended the Gala every year for probably at least 1000 years. For the mortal ponies, it's probably wonderful (provided one goes with proper understanding of what kind of event it is), but after a couple hundred times with the same kind of snobbish, dull aristocrats, it probably looses its appeal. And Celestia can't choose to not attend. Doing that would be against expectation and protocol. Lot's of aristocrats probably attend with hopes of getting to 'rub elbows' with the princess, so they can use said acquaintance as social leverage with other nobles. And if Celestia was a no show, then that would annoy or even infuriate said aristocrats, which in turn would make it difficult for Celestia to run her country the rest of the year.
As for everypony fearing her, she's the ruler of the country and the Sun Goddess. For the longest time she controlled both the sun AND the moon, making her the only pony goddess as far as anypony knew, and possibly the single most powerful entity alive. And recently, while the ponies now know Celestia has a sister that is also a goddess, said sister has banished in sealed within the moon for declaring open rebellion 1000 years ago. Everypony knows she's a caring and just ruler, but they are afraid of incurring her wrath. I would fear her too, in their situation, even if I knew she was normally really nice, since I don't have a desire to see the dungeons/be burnt to a crisp as I don't know how far her tolerance would stretch. Hell, if my personal theory is correct, even Celestia fears herself and what she could do if she didn't maintain control. |
| theplatinumcolt #323047 1 year ago |
My god, can't everyone be quiet and enjoy the Internet!? D: |
| togashimenai #323053 1 year ago |
Well, I think I'll hold off final judgment until we figure out where Luna's been for the last year or so. I think it's mighty suspicious that she hasn't been seen or heard from since her "redemption". Personal theory? Dungeon.
It's also possible that she went back to school to try to catch up on the last thousand years. Or maybe she took a vacation. Or maybe she's been reassigned to moon duty and we just haven't seen it (although I would question why she wasn't at the Gala, then). How Celestia handled the "other" supreme ruler will determine her "tyrant" status, methinks. |
| Drasvin #323055 1 year ago |
@Platinumcolt Nope. It's the internet. If everyone were to be quiet, the world would probably end. |
| togashimenai #323062 1 year ago |
@theplatinumcolt: The internet would be vastly LESS enjoyable if nobody ever said anything. :) Personally, I enjoy having a nice philosophical debate about characters in a children's show. It's good, wacky fun! |
| Anonymous #323063 1 year ago |
@theplatinumcolt
I'm actually enjoying this little debate,dude :) And so far it has been very civilized.What is not to like? |
| Drasvin #323169 1 year ago |
@iamunicorn Debates generally arise because people interpret things differently. For example, you see a picture were Celestia is cowering in fear because the bronies have revealed her secrets. I see a poor princess, cowering from a hail of insults and thrown objects, trying not to snap and turn her immediate area into a sea of fire and screaming skeletons.
@togashi I agree that we can't honestly pass final judgement on whether or not Celestia is a tyrant without knowledge of where Luna has been. My money is that she's been catching up anything she missed during those 1000 years, like in Progress. Also she would need to cleanse her public image. For 1000 years she was the pony equivalent of the bogeyman and her first action upon returning was to resume her rebellion. So she will need to work to convince everypony that she's not a bad pony, meaning she's going to be hosting charities, shaking hooves, kissing foals, that kind of stuff. As for where Luna was at during the Gala, Celestia knew it was generally a colossal bore (or at least it was to her. For Luna it might have been a different story considering she hadn't attended in a 1000 years) and probably told Luna as much. Since there was no precedence for Luna to attend, she didn't really have to, so she was free to go do whatever she wanted that night while Celestia was stuck there, hoping her little gambit paid off (though thinking back to her shocked expression when first looking upon the chaos, it might have paid off better than she expected). |
| Anonymous #323763 1 year ago |
Somuchdrama
There is no more Friendship among the Bronies. |
| togashimenai #323981 1 year ago |
Drama? Lack of friendship? As #323063 points out, this has been very civilized. It's ENTIRELY possible for two people to have vastly differing viewpoints and still be friends. In real life, I'm very "anti-Christian", yet one of my best friends is "super-hyper-Christian". Some days we discuss just how incredibly wrong each other is ... then we go bowling, play D&D and watch Ponies! |
| Drasvin #324454 1 year ago |
@togashi Debate followed by bowling, D&D, and ponies? That is awesome. |
| Anonymous #330332 11 months ago |
I just realized Celestia is not wearing her crown.
... She looks better without it... |
| Anonymous #331592 11 months ago |
I like the debate and it reminds me of Umineko (an anime about a witch and a human debating whether the mysterious killer uses magic or normal means).
Although I have to agree with Drasvin, despite what most people say about her, Lauren and the writers say tha Celestia is not a troll. Even then Celestia is still no more of a prankster than Rainbow Dash and Pinkie Pie. I mean she only wanted Twilight and her friends to liven up the Gala, not destroy it, she probably didn't expect them to do that in the first place. The only reason Celestia enjoyed it and consider it this one the best was because it was different from the other Galas she attended. Another thing that bugs me about this whole thing is that an imposter "fan character" managed to succeed where most canon imposters couldn't, ruin their target's reputation. This is what kind of makes these jokes kind of sad for Celestia, being teased at all the time for things she never done. |
| Homfrog #354884 11 months ago |
I want a Molestia mask... |
| Anonymous #356832 11 months ago |
This is probably the mental battle Celestia has to deal with EVERY SINGLE DAY..... |
| alek4ever #361522 11 months ago |
(got boored after about half the comments) ALL HAIL LUNA! |
| Anonymous #424391 10 months ago |
HAIL NEW LUNAR REPUBLIC
LUNA NOBIS CUSTODIT!! |
| Poptard #623318 8 months ago |
And Tyrant Celestia is all but gone. But Trollestia is still unsure. |
| Anonymous #723012 7 months ago |
Welcome to the Internet Anti-Pro ''Trollestians''.
Seriously why so serious? This just a joke for the fanbase right? |