Need advice re: my arousal at animal urination -- Serious Request: NOT A TROLL

You've seen my anon posts here before, but this one is especially anonymous because I need some delicate advice: I believe one of my animal-related interests may be beyond the purview of most zoos.

Like most of you, I'm aroused by watching animals mate, by the sight of their genitals, and by touching their genitals. However, when I told a friend on the Forest I'm also aroused by watching them urinate and, to a lesser degree, defecate, he said he'd never heard of this, and said I probably shouldn't tell anyone. Hence my additional layer of anonymity: any direct reply to this post should result in an error -- I hope. :-)

OTOH, this same friend was excited by my report of an encounter with a mare in heat: when I put my fingers in her vagina and began to massage her clitoris with my thumb, she raised her tail to one side, squatted, winked, and peed all over my fingers. Not just a little squirt, either: she took her time, making quite a puddle in her stall. I could waft my fingers in front of the stallions' noses and get a very nice reaction from them. My friend's response to this was essentially "wow!" I am confused by these opposing attitudes.

I do have limits, BTW. I don't touch feces in any way, nor do I touch urine once it's on the ground. However, if I gave a mare cunnilingus and she chose to pee in the process, I wouldn't turn away, nor would I fear running my fingers or tongue through a horse's urine stream if it chose to pee in my presence. It hasn't happened to me yet, but I can always hope. ;-) I was also highly aroused at finding a male calf who would pee on my finger when I moved it in and out of his sheath. Bovine bagels, however, are not a turn-on, because they're basically a wet, sloppy, unaesthetic mess that drools down their legs. Yuck.

I've given it some thought from a psychology standpoint, and I believe it may be due to the animals' body posture. The posture assumed by most female (and some male) mammals during urination is similar to the female's lordosis posture when she's ready to mate. Animals in the wild use exaggerated body posture as a visual signal while marking their territory with urine or dung, and it may be this element of wildness, of naturalness, which makes it so exciting.

Note, for example, a urinating horse: you can tell from hundreds of yards away that the animal is taking a pee, just from the stance of the body. Male cattle, on the other hand, have a less exaggerated pose, even though they have a similar body size, urine volume, and hence risk of contaminating legs or tail with splattered urine. The difference, IMO: horses are highly territorial, and cattle are not. Same for dogs, cats, deer, gazelles, etc.: all are territorial, and all have an exaggerated body stance during excretion.

I have lots of photos and videos of urinating animals (not for sale: don't even ask), but pictures of steer peeing are almost boring, even when you can see the urine. OTOH, I have pix of a bull moose taking a leak, and though you can't see the penis or the urine stream, it's a big turn-on for me. Why? Body posture again: the steer is just standing there normally, with a barely raised tail. It might as well be grazing. The moose, OTOH, is in a deep squat, almost sitting on its haunches. There's no doubt what it's doing. My pictures of mares peeing are also highly erotic. And I'd love to take a picture of a urinating doe.

Urine is also highly connected to sex itself: not only does it involve the sex organs (unlike defecating), but also it is frequently used to communicate sexual readiness or mark off a breeding male's territory. In some species, such as rabbits, porcupines, and ibex, the male sprays urine on the female to turn her on. Manure is just a waste product for most animals.

I didn't mean to ramble on so long, but I wanted to give you enough background so you could advise me on what this means. Should I never mention it on ASB again? Should I wait for SSZ, then discuss it there? Is my interest as unusual and bizarre to the average zoo as zoo-ness is to the average non-zoo? I'm aware there's no such thing as "sick," only different, and I don't consider myself perverted: I'm no more ashamed by it than I am by my zoo-ness. It's just a turn-on which appears to be shared by very few in the zoo community, and I'd like to know more about why that is.

I invite reasoned discussion on this topic, but this is not a troll for photos or videos, or for like-minded beasties to plaster ASB with "me too!" posts. If you can't offer serious advice, don't bother replying: we have enough spam and thread drift as it is.

Sincerely,
an apparently irregular regular, longing for alt.sex.bestiality.watersports. ;-)

...and my follow-up post on August 8, 1995:

The Urologist Comes Out of the Water Closet :)

On July 16, there was a very anonymous post entitled:

>Need advice re: my arousal at animal urination -- Serious Request: NOT A TROLL

...which began:

>Like most of you, I'm aroused by watching animals mate, by the sight of their
>genitals, and by touching their genitals. However, when I told a friend on the
>Forest I'm also aroused by watching them urinate and, to a lesser degree,
>defecate, he said he'd never heard of this, and said I probably shouldn't tell
>anyone.

And rambled on quite a bit. :)

Well, the post came from me, and after reading the replies it generated, I've decided it's safe to come out of the closet...the water closet, that is. :)

Here's what I was told:

From: Laufschlag:

>The males of most mammalian species have a fascination with urine. They taste
>it, spray it on themselves, etc. What is unnatural and perverse, then, is that
>the _standard human_ has little interest in urine. What is irrational and
>criminal is that society would castigate the occasional individual who
>expresses that part of our heritage.

From: Jay Brazier (netcom.com):

>I confess I too find the sight of urinating animals (well, horses, anyway) to
>be a turn on, although defecation doesn't do anything for me.

From: Weregoose:

>Hey, stallions, bulls, etc. consider urine a turnon, so this seems pretty
>normal to me.

From: lutra canadensis:

>Why do you need advice? If it turns you on (everything you described turns me
>on hugely, especially grabbing a male horse and aiming for him when he's taking
>a leak) then go for it. Liberally put, if it turns you on and you are not
>hurting anybody, then go for it! Your hesitation at accepting your specific
>turn-on seems strange...you like humpin animals, for goodness sake! When I get
>together with my favorite mare, there is nothing like having her pee when I'm
>doing her...love the feeling of warm urine dripping off my balls...honest!

From: Underdog:

>Well, in case I haven't made this abundantly clear in the past, I view humans
>as just another animal, so I believe that my reason for being a zoophile is
>that I do not discriminate based on species. Having said that, you can see
>that I would view your excitement at seeing a horse excrete/urinate as being
>not fundamentally different from being excited at seeing a human do the same;
>you are simply not discriminating based on the fact that they are horses (or
>whatever species). While I don't understand the attraction, I do recognize it
>and I certainly don't have a problem with the fact that it excites you.
>
>It certainly seems to me to be a "valid" attraction. No reason it shouldn't be
>discussed.
>
>> Is my interest as unusual and bizarre to the average zoo as zoo-ness is
>> to the average non-zoo?
>
>Hard to say, really. I consider it equal with the equivalent in humans, as
>mentioned above, but I can't speak for any non-zoos. :-)
>
>> It's just a turn-on which appears to be shared by very few in the zoo
>> community, and I'd like to know more about why that is.
>
>Well... I find canine genitalia to be very sexy, and it certainly tends to be
>"on display" during urination... So I guess it CAN be a turn-on for me, though
>it's the genitals themselves that turn me on, not the urine. I have no
>interest in being sprayed with urine; dog, human, or otherwise.
>
>Well, I don't know if this post constitutes advice, but hopefully it'll help
>you see why you shouldn't be wary of mentioning this fact. I think it
>important that we all know what the various facets of zoophilia are.

Many thanks to all who replied, and apologies if I missed anything.

It is good to be among friends. :)