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4850 No. 4850 ID: 109c38
Today, the US Department of Justice shut down MegaUpload. If you aren't familiar, it's an online file storage system, that allows users to upload files and share them to others via direct links. To be clear this is NOT a torrent site, but rather file storage and distribution.

In retaliation, the "Hactivist" group Anonymous has hacked the DoJ website, the FBI website, the Universal website, and the websites for the motion picture and recording artist associations.

These are in the wake of talks in congress over the proposed SOPA laws, and the upcoming Senate PIPA laws.

The government executed over twenty search warrants in over eight countries, and have arrested several people.

The war has begun. The government has not even finished passing the SOPA and PIPA acts, and they are already attacking and removing websites. And much as I had predicted, the online hacker groups retaliated. This is a war for the "soul" of the internet.. You have big media companies on one side and internet users, hactivist groups, and other people on the other.

The lines have been drawn in the sand, but the question is how far will this go? The government is treading on dangerous ground here, and if they proceed this will escalate into a full scale war for cyberspace freedom.

The sad part is that if SOPA and PIPA are passed, websites that promote the sharing of files or intelectual property of any kind (Including our dear FA) could be taken down for good. Even more sad, is that these bills are being pushed by large media companies that are claiming to loose millions of dollars a year to piracy. But what makes me curious is that they are supposedly loosing money, yet everyone I know that torrents things from the internet torrents them because they are too poor to be able to afford them normally. Most of my friends that can afford to buy DVDs, Blurays, and video games do such and refuse to torrent.

The problem is that there are no real ways to define just how many people are actually downloading illegal torrents without massive invasion of civil privacy and rights. But I will say that of the friends I have.... I can count on my fingers how many torrent... And the rest do not for various reasons.

Removing the ability for people to download information from the internet is an uphill struggle while pushing a giant boulder five times your own body weight.

People seem to think that piracy is a new concept... But theft has been arround for as long as money has.. longer.. The fact of the matter is, people are going to steal things. There's nothing you can do to stop it... But limiting the damage you do while trying to combat it is what should be the most important thing.

Do I support SOPA/PIPA? No. Do I think that piracy is as big a problem as the big media companies want you to belive it is? No.

But the war has begun. The US government and online hacker groups are now at odds... And the question is going to become who blinks first? Something has to give.. And if it doesn't we will see the destruction of the internet as we know it, as these two factions fight over what they each believe to be right.

..But let's not forget the old adage... The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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>> No. 4851 ID: e71a0f
>This is a war for the "soul" of the internet
SO this is how WW3 will looks like.
>> No. 4858 ID: 27bf0c
You guys are aware that the Megaupload employees that were arrested were caught for things like money laundering as well, right?

Copyright Infringement wasn't the only thing they were slapped for.
>> No. 4861 ID: 58880e
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>>4850
what i would guess what would happen next is
SOPA & PIPA keep getting submitted till they are passed.
major websites black out for a couple of days,SOPA/PIPA are pulled,investigation(s),court,People get to lenient of a sentence (probably house arrest/2 hours of community service).

If you really think about is this whole scenario is kinda of interesting,The internet something that is not palpably that has no physical form ("hu-der yes it doo's servers"...not the point I'm trying to make) is being fought over like a piece land.The reason why i would say is because no single entity is ruling/controlling it.If SOPA/PIPA got passed I'm 100% sure that not olny like everyone else was saying youtube,Wikipedia,facebook will go under but pretty soon it'll transfer over to our internet browsers where they will get canned and we have to buy a restricting one,free antivirus software too as they will remove tracking cooking cookies and other shit,new random fees form our IP's is also another guarantee,Intellectual property law(s) gone too.It will be like Skynet everyone is gonna get fucked.

P.S. FA did not create the furry fandom it's olny an element.Dragoneer is not king,just a jackass and a legend in his own mind,that also applies for his little committee of friends.I Honestly would like to see FA gone or at least under new ownership.

>>4851
you know what I wouldn't be surprised if an actual war broke out over this.
>> No. 4862 ID: 109c38
>>4851

They were arrested and are accused of Money Laundering.. But that has to do with the site. They're accusing the owners of mega upload of being some form of massive organized criminal conspiracy to commit piracy and copyright infringement.

I personally think its a load of horseshit and they're just lashing out in light of all the protests

But it doesn't matter. Either way the lines have been drawn, and sides have been taken.

>>4861

First let me just say that I never once claimed that FA created the fandom, and I am very well aware that the fandom was arround longer then FA, as I've been in it for longer then FA has existed.

As for the rest of it... It's a war. The internet is in essence a giant piece of unclaimed territory. It's a pure and honest representation of free speech. It is currently policed by the FBI for seriously criminal content such as child porn and organized terrorist group websites. But otherwise it is a world of free speech. And What they're trying to do is prove that weather or not SOPA and PIPA get passed, they can and will shut down websites as they see fit. They're trying to send a message that just because the bills don't get passed doesn't mean they aren't going to still do it anyways. It's like the bills are just a courtesy to make people think they actually have a choice in the matter... But they don't. Congress and the Senate are going to pass whatever bills they want... And its going to end up trampling over the people they were put in power to help.

Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely

It's just another example of the US government abusing its power. They're starting another civil war, though this one is being for over an online frontier.

The question is: Who will win? No matter who wins, something bad is going to happen. If the government wins, they'll turn the internet into television... Where it is controlled and censored and you are only allowed to see what they believe is appropriate. If the hackers win, then the internet will end up becoming the free forums of communication that everyone wants it to be.. Unfortunately there are terrorist groups and other hackers that will use that to do some real damage.

No matter who wins, we loose... But if I had to take my side? ... Fuck the government. I'm with the hackers. The internet should not be censored by people who think they know best for the entire world. That's called a dictatorship.

I find it funny that for all their attempts at preserving "democracy" they sure are fighting hard to act like a communist society. They want to control what people are and are not allowed to see. They claim that they're trying to protect people from the internet pirates in china... And yet they're trying to become china by restricting what their citizens can view. It's hypocracy but they will never see it.
>> No. 4864 ID: 690b67
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>> No. 4865 ID: 109c38
>>4864

We're not concerned about having a site to upload and download from. You obviously miss the point of this discussion. No one cares about your crappy site, now go away.

MegaUpload is already back online at http://109.236.83.66/.

The point is that the government is accusing them of direct copyright infringement. The fact of the matter is, they did not control what people uploaded. They simply do not have the manpower to sit there and investigate every single file that gets uploaded. When something was flagged as a copyright infringement, it was taken down. Did that mean ALL the uploads of that same file were taken down? No. Why? Because that would be impossible. They could spend an entire day taking down all the files they found for one specific item, meanwhile people are still uploading it and spreading it. And while they are fighting over one specific file, other people would have been uploading other copyrighted material.

But what the government is accusing them of is organized piracy... When all they did was offer a file storage service. Was it used for piracy? Yes. But look at the comments in many of these news articles on it... People use it for more then just piracy. I myself have used it for distribution of minecraft content. Things that I have created myself, or that others have created, and want to distribute freely to other players. And that is just one example. The site was used for millions of downloads and uploads every day... And not all of them were over copyrighted material.

Even if MegaUpload does stay down, it will come back up in another form. Somme other website will offer the same service, along with the 50 other sites that already currently offer the service.

The US government is fighting an uphill battle to enforce outdated copyright laws, so executives in media distribution companies can continue to line their pockets. This piracy does not hurt the artist... They're lucky if they can make 10% off the sales of things that THEY created. Most of the income generated from media goes to the production and distribution companies.

If they were to update to the times, then they would be able to lower their prices to a reasonable rate and soon they would find piracy lessening. It would never truely dissapear, and anyone thinking that it will is an idiot.

Take a good look at the cost of electronic media these days, and the history of it.

In the 80s, you could buy a VHS for $10 - $20. Brand new. Today, walmart still charges between $20 and $30 for a single DVD. Between $30 and $50 for a bluray.

Look at music. In the 80s you could buy a casette tape for $5 - $10. Now, a CD is $20 or more. You can go to online sites and buy individual songs for $1 a piece, but in many cases that is still 20+ songs.

Need something more comparable? When I was in high school back in the 90s, I could take the small amount of money I earned from my allowance and the work I did to have some spending cash. I would go to the store and buy a game for my Sega Genesis for $25. Sometimes it was more, but that was the average cost of things. I would then take that game home, and I would play it for hours. I still have a good number of my old genesis games, and I still play them.

Now, you pay $60 - $80 for one game. If you're lucky you'll get 10 hours of play out of it. If you aren't... Well.. You're looking on average closer to 4 hours of play. What do you do when you're done with it? You sell it, or you trade it in hopes to get $30 trade value out of it so you can then put another $50 on a brand new game to play, and repeat the process.

If games were priced more reasonably (as Wii games tend to be) then you will find more sales and higher profit margins. Instead of only selling to people that can afford to pay almost a 15% chunk of the average rent payment, PER GAME, You then sell to more people who will be more willing to pay for something they feel has been valued what it is worth compared to the current economy.

Inflation is the root of the problem here. Prices continue to rise while wages do not. I used to be able to go to the cinema every week. It would cost me $5 to get in, and another $5 for a box of popcorn and a large drink. $10 total investment per week.

It is now $8 for the ticket, $5 for a large drink, $4 for a box of popcorn, and $3 for a regular sized candy bar.

The same candy bar that costs $0.80 in a supermarket store. The same popcorn that cost them about 30 cents to make. The same soda that is a total cost of roughly $1 for them.

Money is the root of all evil, and is the root of all these problems. Prices raise, but wages do not.

The system needs an overhaul. Things need to be handled for the people, and not for the select few who control the country because they have the money.
>> No. 4866 ID: 109c38
Let me use an example I think everyone here can understand.

You go to FurAffinity. Let's say you see an awesome peice of artwork by Strype, and you say to yourself... "HEY! That would make a great background!"

So you download it, and you set it as your background.

Suddenly the police shut down FurAffinity because some other users have been using it to copy and upload artwork that wasn't theirs, and FA hadn't been able to keep up with it. They charge FA with conspiracy to comit copyright fraud and money laundering because they sell advertizement space.

Then lets say they take it a step further... And tell you that you are no longer allowed to download images from ANY website without paying their authorized distribution site for it. And lets say you pay $1 for that background...

...The artist is lucky to see ten cents of that one dollar that you paid. The distribution website takes the other ninety percent and continues to support bills and laws going into place that will make you pay for all information.


Welcome to the future.
>> No. 4867 ID: 58880e
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Good points Keichi,Well I don't think there is anything wrong with the way the US government was setup to function and normally I would side with the Feds,I believe we need authority to keep order.

BUT right now the good'ol US of A is more of a Corporatocracy than a democracy,Big-huge companies pollute
governments and politics.That's the olny reason why whole SOPA/PIPA is happening.Like Monsanto how the fuck are they still around? Because a good amount of the people in the FDA and house of Reps are from/involved with Monsanto in some way.same thing with the drug companies and also as you said with TV.All this shit is has been brewing for what 30 plus years and this SOPA/PIPA might blow the top off.


Right now with all this crazy shit going on I would side with the intent wizards too,better to reign in hell than serve in heaven.
>> No. 4868 ID: 109c38
>>4867

At last! Someone supporting the government that doesn't follow blindly. :D You good sir have made my day.

I completely agree with you. They're trying to turn the country into a comunist society while still claiming it to be a demoracy.

The government should serve the people not the interest of their own pocketbooks
>> No. 4869 ID: 109c38
I wish I could share this with the media companies that are causing these problems.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI&feature=g-all-lik&context=G25a60b9FAAAAAAAABAA
>> No. 4875 ID: e71a0f
>>4868
>They're trying to turn the country into a comunist society while still claiming it to be a demoracy.
Can you, please, get yourself a decent education and start using corrent words?
>> No. 4876 ID: 19400c
You are an interesting one Keichi. As for now SOPA/PIPA got the can after the large protests.

If only the citizens of our country would do this more often on problems in the nation. The less the government the better. They are here to serve the citizens, not the other way around.

I view this censorship as an obvious and blatant violation of our first amendment. This is most likely not what our Founders of this nation would have intended. Not only that it would violate the constitution and most likely if anything were to have passed either Obama would have vetoed due to the course of new elections, or the judiciary branch would have stopped it. My only concern now is the fight for Megaupload. This should be your main concern now. Like I have said before, if they lose, we're screwed.
>> No. 4880 ID: 852541
>>4865

Ahhhhhh...remember those days when gas was only $1-$2? And this was only 10 years ago. The only thing i disagree with you on are video games. Back in those days, the regular 8-bit NES games were priced around $49.99. A lot of SNES games were around $59.99. And we can't forget the great street fighter 2 and mortal kombat 2, which cost between $90-$110 (though those 2 were great games!). But yeah, prices have risen too much in relation to wages. Gas is almost 4x higher than the last time minimum wage was nationally raised, which i believe was back in the early 1990's during the clinton times. They need to raise wages to keep up with the prices. If not, people won't be able to afford luxary and entertainment items, and will resort to more piracy.
>> No. 4881 ID: 27bf0c
>>4880

Minimum wage actually was raised very recently, apparently.

But it still isn't enough of a raise.
>> No. 4883 ID: 295956
>>4881
I know a guy who insists that the minimum wage going up is one of the main factors that makes the cost of living go up. He's adamant that our first next step should be to drastically lower the minimum wage. Can I get some conformation that he's a dipshit?

And no, the US government is NOT turning us into a communist country. Far from it; we're still basically a capitalist/republic setup. And I see zero evidence that Obama is trying to turn us into a communist country. Zero. The big problem is that the great majority of politicians are bought by the lobbyists and the corporations, and the only people who can really put a stop to that are the same politicians who benefit from it.

Love that little comic, OP. I think that puts it well.
>> No. 4884 ID: 58880e
sounds like hes talking crap...maybe is has to do with some sort of taxes issue thing,that dose not really make sense either an increase of min wage would mean that people pay more taxes on it.
Supply and demand? more can afford to buy more things so prices go up?
I'm curious now too.can some one with 133t socioeconomic 2ki11z chime in.
>> No. 4885 ID: 21169f
>>4868
>They're trying to turn the country into a comunist society
Facepalm.jpg They are trying somewhat opposite: return to real capitalism with monopoly and cartels. Only with MAFIAA instead of Standard Oil.

>>4883
"Communism" in this case just a meaningless propaganda cliché.
>> No. 4886 ID: e71a0f
>>4883
>I know a guy who insists that the minimum wage going up is one of the main factors that makes the cost of living go up.
If oil price goes up, all ather prices fo up. There is a stereotype that oil=fuel, however the truth is oil is a base of all modern civilization, plastic, rubber, chemical industry, all dependant on oil. Oil becomes more expensive, so do transportation and material, and than everything else become more expensive.
>turning us into a communist country
That would be great, however nothing has changed, just the time has come when freedomâ„¢ stands on the way of profit and propaganda, 20 years ago things were much simplier when large amounts of people could not exchange information so easily, controlling mass media ment controlling everything.
Welcome to 21 century when porn distribution networ become weapon of information war.
>> No. 4910 ID: 7a48d6
The only thing I download is music, because the record companies are the real criminals, charging way too much for a cd, the artists see next to nothing of, they stopped carign about artist rights long ago, and only care about lining their pockets with money made from someone else's work.

Downloading movies is something else, movies cost a lot more to make and more people are involved, so while I think that dvd's are a little pricey I still buy them.

and companies losing millions...hah, they'll survive since they make BILLIONS a year, I'd think they barely lose 5-10% due to downloads and most of that is from people who probably can't afford to buy a real cd or dvd anyway...

PIPA/SOPA goes about it all wrong, by giving this kind of power to the wrong people....its like giving nuclear missiles to alqaida and expecting them not to abuse the power they've been given.
>> No. 4921 ID: 852541
Well...looks like goodbye to piracy when it comes to file hosts.

RIP filesonic
RIP fileserve
RIP uploading
RIP filejungle

So they stopped napster this time. We will move on and find other ways to pirate. You will give me yo free shit, and you will like it.
>> No. 4924 ID: 222a2d
>>4921
>MediaFire is called to testify in the next 90 days.
>Well...looks like goodbye to piracy when it comes to file hosts.
Nope, they more likely will just move elsewhere. And then whole internet will fallow them.
>> No. 4927 ID: d4470c
Can I just say something here?
WHAT THE FUCK ABOUT ACTA? THAT SHIT IS WAY WORSE. THEY ARE ALL BAD, BUT YOU ARE IDIOTIC TO IGNORE ACTA, IT AFFECTS NUMEROUS COUNTRIES WITH EVEN HARSHER REGULATIONS.
>> No. 4928 ID: 6f2673
Warning, incomming wall of text here...
Anyway.. I may not live in the US.. but I still fear for the safety of the internet due to the US government..

I only hope my government has enough sense to not bow under pressure from the US to adopt SOPA & PIPA or anything related to them.. and since We stood up to the US by denying their Nuclear powered ships into our harbors... it shouldn't be difficult..

There are only a few things which I pirate:

1. Music, the argument for this has already been given, the artists get jipped by the companies..

If you want the artists you love to get the money they deserve, then go see them live in concert. That way you get your money's worth and the artist can continue to make awesome music.

2. TV Shows: Now, this ranges from series of shows which have not yet aired in my country to Japanese Anime of which the Dub is usually lack luster or old Cartoons from the late 80's and early 90's which I grew up with which are no longer aired / you can not find DVD's of..

In the rare cases I have found DVD's of those cartoons I have purchased them..

anyway onto my next topic:
>>4883

As someone said, Oil prices have a big impact on things, however the other problem is that when you raise minimum wage companies tend to raise the prices of their goods and services to match the increase from the wages, ergo your getting payed more.. but everything costs the same..

Thats all for now, I think i'll take a shower and cool off..
>> No. 4933 ID: 39bd35
I am utterly fucking disgusted and appalled by what I just learned.

megaupload was planning on releasing a new thing called 'Megabox', a system whereby to share music direct from the creators, while allowing those who create the music to pocket 90% of the earnings.

Fucking look at this shit; https://plus.google.com/u/0/111314089359991626869/posts/HQJxDRiwAWq

It wasn't any bullshit copyright laws, money laundering, or shit. It was fucking big brand music companies scared of losing their business.
>> No. 4941 ID: 852541
>>4933

And this my friend, is why i have no remorse about downloading mp3's, movies, and everything else. Fuck the greedy fucks.
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