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We really have. We've investigated a lot of things. And the ones that are potential options are *still* being researched. Communication between companies and financial institutions isn't very fast. We're hoping to make more options available in the future, but it's just taking too long. Patreon is the fastest and easiest option right now. \n\n[b] Okay, fine. Your Patreon looks weird though. And different. SHUN THAT WHICH IS DIFFERENT! [/b]\n\nYeah, we're doing things a little bit differently than most people that use Patreon. I will explain.\n\n[b] Why aren't there any milestone goals? [/b]\n\nThere aren't any milestones because we're doing this the exact same way we did it before. For every $X received we'll get another page done, with a limit of 5 pages per month. [b]Received[/b] is the key word here. \n\nAny extra funds are put toward to the next page. \n\n[b] What? That sounds perfect for setting up Milestone Goals.[/b]\n\nYes. You're right. 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And for the record, I don't think there's anything wrong with Patreons being set up this way, but this isn't how we want to do things. We think the system we've created is fair, and while it might put us, the creators, in a potentially less favorable financial situation, it's a system we'd like to continue working with for now.\n\n[b] No milestones. Okay. What about rewards? I don't see any rewards. Icons? Commissions? Bonuses? [/b]\n\nWe're not doing this either. The point is to fund the comic. Anything extra is an extra cost, which means time and money taken away from the comic. We just want to focus on getting the comic finished.\n\n[b] So let's say you get completely funded. Then what? [/b]\n\nIf this platform works, I'd like to keep using it for more comics in the future. I think it's really important for anyone who wants to support Frisky Ferals and our other comics to be proactive about their pledges and to check back monthly to make sure they're supporting a comic/story they're interested in. \n\n(*whispers quietly*[i] if I get my way I want to do a short, angry lesbian comic for Frisky Ferals after Family Matters, but I don't think otterface will let me yet[/i]) [b][color=#f57900]<-- DENIED[/color][/b]\n\n[b] You haven't answered the most important question! This means a paywall doesn't it D:Hey guys! So what's up? What's going on? Patreon? MADNESS! Fear not. We've put together some questions and answers we think will answer any concerns you might have.
Please keep in mind, though, that the information in this journal may change over time as older information becomes irrelevant and new projects are started.
Patreon? Wait-What? WHY?
Simply put: This is the easiest, and fastest way to get funding towards our Frisky Ferals comics. Believe me. We've spent a lot of time researching this. It's really hard to fund adult works, and it gets even harder when you're not an American. And then it gets even harder still when you start drawing "taboo" topics.
I really hate Patreon. What about Paypa--
SPEAK NOT THE DEVIL'S NAME TO US, HEEAAATTTHHEENN-- I'm joking. Paypal's AUP doesn't allow the sale of adult content. We've been caught once. Paypal is not an option for us.
Yes, but what about--
No. We've looked. We really have. We've investigated a lot of things. And the ones that are potential options are *still* being researched. Communication between companies and financial institutions isn't very fast. We're hoping to make more options available in the future, but it's just taking too long. Patreon is the fastest and easiest option right now.
Okay, fine. Your Patreon looks weird though. And different. SHUN THAT WHICH IS DIFFERENT!
Yeah, we're doing things a little bit differently than most people that use Patreon. I will explain.
Why aren't there any milestone goals?
There aren't any milestones because we're doing this the exact same way we did it before. For every $X received we'll get another page done, with a limit of 5 pages per month. Received is the key word here.
Any extra funds are put toward to the next page.
What? That sounds perfect for setting up Milestone Goals.
Yes. You're right. But we're not doing that for three reasons:
1) The amount displayed on Patreon isn't the actual amount received. Things can come up: Cards get declined, someone might put their information in wrong by accident, a card might expire etc etc. Since this is the case, using the publicly displayed financial amount as a gauge for how many pages are completed will just set up a false expectation.
So, for example, say someone pledges an amount that brings the overall pledged total to the amount required to fund a page. Everyone that sees that will think "Great! A page was funded!", but if that person's payment doesn't go through, then the page wasn't actually funded, and people will be really let down when we say "Sorry, the funding didn't actually go through, a page isn't funded yet."
Based off information I've read and feedback from other artists, it sounds like there's a card decline rate between 20-50%. While this may not be the case for all creators, it's still an issue that should be taken into consideration.
2) We don't want to get screwed either. If I set up milestones, and those milestones are achieved, I would feel obligated to get those pages done whether I was paid or not because that's a visual promise to everyone. I don't like breaking promises to people. I also want to get paid for the work I do so I can pay my bills.
3) The "Limbo Zone" between milestones. If we set up milestones and abide by that system instead of the one we used previously, there ends up being this financial limbo zone between milestone goals. If we have milestones, and make enough to fund the first milestone, but don't quite make it to the second milestone, then we'd be making more than the required amount to fund the first page while having no obligation to make a second page since the second milestone wouldn't have been reached. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to make more per page. And for the record, I don't think there's anything wrong with Patreons being set up this way, but this isn't how we want to do things. We think the system we've created is fair, and while it might put us, the creators, in a potentially less favorable financial situation, it's a system we'd like to continue working with for now.
No milestones. Okay. What about rewards? I don't see any rewards. Icons? Commissions? Bonuses?
We're not doing this either. The point is to fund the comic. Anything extra is an extra cost, which means time and money taken away from the comic. We just want to focus on getting the comic finished.
So let's say you get completely funded. Then what?
If this platform works, I'd like to keep using it for more comics in the future. I think it's really important for anyone who wants to support Frisky Ferals and our other comics to be proactive about their pledges and to check back monthly to make sure they're supporting a comic/story they're interested in.
(*whispers quietly* if I get my way I want to do a short, angry lesbian comic for Frisky Ferals after Family Matters, but I don't think otterface will let me yet) <-- DENIED
You haven't answered the most important question! This means a paywall doesn't it D:<?
No. We'll still post the comic on Inkbunny like we always have. We also post it on e621 and FA for those that can't access Inkbunny. I'll most likely post it on Patreon as well assuming the system allows it, so if you see hidden "Patreon Supporters Only" posts on the Patreon, then that's what it is. Odds are, you aren't missing out on anything.
How often will patrons be charged?
What we're thinking currently is once a month.
So that means we'll get to know how many pages are funded... when?
At the start of the month Patreon begins charging patrons. It usually takes at least two weeks after that process begins to see the final amount actually collected, and in turn how many pages we can afford to make. Once we know how much, just like before, we'll drop everything, and get the pages worked on.
So there's going to be a delay between charges and content produced.
Yes. In the event that we manage to fund a full month's worth of pages though, and continue to do so, there shouldn't be any delay in posting after the initial onset.
I don't care about any of this! When's the next page going to be uploaded?!?
Pages tend to be posted every Thursday, assuming they were funded.
I can't help support on Patreon.
That's okay. We know Patreon isn't the solution for everyone, and we thank you for wanting to support the comic even if you're unable to. We're still working on ways to accept payment through different venues, so possibly in the future we may have another option. For now though, this is it.
Phew! That was a lot of words! If there are any other questions, please feel free to leave them below, and I'll do my best to answer them. Thanks for reading all that guys, and for reading the comic thus far!
Our Patreon for Frisky Ferals comics is here: Frisky Ferals Comic Patreon!
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